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It's like he/she has no idea why they were federalized in the first place.

Now if only we could get the federal to go one step further, and have the money they spent on your education be paid back through general taxation, as opposed to the government acting like, as he said, a loan shark.

But I guess in soldier's world the Nordic model is a stealer of freedoms and a ruiner of lives, given the government is involved. =(

Nah dats socialism! Why on earth would they want college students like me to not have to deal with crushing debt after university ends? Increased class mobility? HA! No thanks, I won't take your common sense and like it sir, that I won't.

You go on now and get some of them boot straps and pull yourself up; never mind the fact that you can't even afford the boots let alone the straps because of the crushing debt.
 
Nah dats socialism! Why on earth would they want college students like me to not have to deal with crushing debt after university ends? Increased class mobility? HA! No thanks, I won't take your common sense and like it sir, that I won't.

You go on now and get some of them boot straps and pull yourself up; never mind the fact that you can't even afford the boots let alone the straps because of the crushing debt.

Phrase it like that and it sounds all nice.

Then one day you wake up and realize your freedom was stolen and your life was ruined.
 
Nah dats socialism! Why on earth would they want college students like me to not have to deal with crushing debt after university ends? Increased class mobility? HA! No thanks, I won't take your common sense and like it sir, that I won't.

You go on now and get some of them boot straps and pull yourself up; never mind the fact that you can't even afford the boots let alone the straps because of the crushing debt.

Really, this is getting annoying for its overall ignorance and pugnance. It's so out of touch with the public university system and its cost to the point of ridiculousness.

No, the debt aren't crushing if the students know how to chose their schools, location, and degree wisely. Don't go to a private liberal arts school in NYC and then complain to me that you have to loan so much money to go to school there.

Education in the US is affordable as long as you work the community college and public university system. The US has some of the best public university systems in the world. Specifically California. Millions of kids graduate each year. A small percentage of these have major debts.

Trying to compare a 5 million, mainly homogeneous country, to a 330 million country that is the home of constant poor immigrants is asinine and stupid.

Do you think any nordic country's social system can really be sustainable if they have the immigration of the US?

In 2011, the US took in 1/5 of Norway's population.
 
Really, this is getting annoying for its overall ignorance and pugnance. It's so out of touch with the public university system and its cost to the point of ridiculousness.

No, the debt aren't crushing if the students know how to chose their schools, location, and degree wisely. Don't go to a private liberal arts school in NYC and then complain to me that you have to loan so much money to go to school there.

Education in the US is affordable as long as you work the community college and public university system. The US has some of the best public university systems in the world. Specifically California. Millions of kids graduate each year. A small percentage of these have major debts.

Do you even know how the student loan system works?

It's not like any other loans out there.
 
I really don't understand how people can be against socialized medicine when it works very well in other countries. A lot better and cheaper than our shitty system. Do they think that America's government is uniquely incompetent or something? (well, we do have the tea party...)

Hell, medicare is quite popular, and is more cost effective and efficient than private insurance. Its like they live in a world of ideas and concepts instead of facts

As for college, the average debt for a graduate is like 20-25k. I'd say thats pretty major
 
Trying to compare a 5 million, mainly homogeneous country, to a 330 million country that is the home of constant poor immigrants is asinine and stupid.

Do you think any nordic country's social system can really be sustainable if they have the immigration of the US?

In 2011, the US took in 1/5 of Norway's population.

This is such an asinine This stuff scales. Larger pool of people paying in -> More money -> more people to utilize.

Rinse and repeat. Economies of Scale n all that.
 
No one's asking you to sign your life over to the government. Private healthcare is still around isn't it despite all this fear-mongering of government takeovers. In this case though a mixed system with as many options as possible is probably a good thing.

It's ridiculous man, stop believing whatever you want and just debate the plain facts.
That must be Poligaf wet dream

If the democrats had tried to pull this they would be hung for treason.

Democrats have done this before.
 
Really, this is getting annoying for its overall ignorance and pugnance. It's so out of touch with the public university system and its cost to the point of ridiculousness.

No, the debt aren't crushing if the students know how to chose their schools, location, and degree wisely. Don't go to a private liberal arts school in NYC and then complain to me that you have to loan so much money to go to school there.

Education in the US is affordable as long as you work the community college and public university system. The US has some of the best public university systems in the world. Specifically California. Millions of kids graduate each year. A small percentage of these have major debts.
I think the thing though is in a lot of cases there's no point in going straight to a moral argument. A lot of 18 year olds are morons and so are their parents. They're not even trusted to drink responsibly yet. We wouldn't have social security with this method of thinking. Just save for your future and take care of yourself right? Well ok, that's what everybody should do and you've successfully saved for your future but now there's a massive population of elderly poor to deal with and it's not going to go away with shaming and logical superiority.
 
Do you even know how the student loan system works?

It's not like any other loans out there.

yes I do. Because i have personal experience with it. I took out a total of 12k for my 4 year university. Of course, the rest were paid using my part time job, and scholarships, and grants.
 
Really, this is getting annoying for its overall ignorance and pugnance. It's so out of touch with the public university system and its cost to the point of ridiculousness.

No, the debt aren't crushing if the students know how to chose their schools, location, and degree wisely. Don't go to a private liberal arts school in NYC and then complain to me that you have to loan so much money to go to school there.

Education in the US is affordable as long as you work the community college and public university system. The US has some of the best public university systems in the world. Specifically California. Millions of kids graduate each year. A small percentage of these have major debts.

Trying to compare a 5 million, mainly homogeneous country, to a 330 million country that is the home of constant poor immigrants is asinine and stupid.

Do you think any nordic country's social system can really be sustainable if they have the immigration of the US?

In 2011, the US took in 1/5 of Norway's population.

I'm quite in touch with the system thank you very much, and I'm already doing/have done everything you suggested. STEM classes are some of the most expensive credit/hr classes in the Florida University system; and as a computer science major its not going to get any better. Couple that with the fact that the closest university to me (University of South Florida) is nearly a 2hr drive from my house and its basically a recipe for me getting screwed on everything; from dorms to mandatory meal ticket purchases for first year students and transfer students.

The situation you described is nice and all but rarely does a perfect scenario ever take place. I'm already working the community college/public univeristy angle and the costs are already stacking up and not in my favor. The state of Florida is cutting back on university spending which is driving up tuition costs even more, and there are more plans for more cuts.

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Oh I see you're one of them "I gotz mine FUCK the rest~" types. Talking about self made and how everyone's situation is exactly as yours. Just because you made it out ok doesn't mean that others don't need help because you have avoided the problem. It's like you would vote against fixing a street in town because you don't use that road.

This guy gets it
 
No one's asking you to sign your life over to the government. Private healthcare is still around isn't it despite all this fear-mongering of government takeovers. In this case though a mixed system with as many options as possible is probably a good thing.

It's ridiculous man, stop believing whatever you want and just debate the plain facts.

This is what I don't understand from the people ardently fighting against this. They can still keep their private plan and choose how they wanna go about it, yet they act as if the government is gonna come and own them on a piece of paper in the name of Obamacare. How they go from having affordable healthcare to attack on my liberties is just beyond me.
 
yes I do. Because i have personal experience with it. I took out a total of 12k for my 4 year university. Of course, the rest were paid using my part time job, and scholarships, and grants.

Then you should be familiar with the fact that college costs have completely outpaced inflation, due to the fact that student loans are 100% guaranteed and cannot be discharged via bankruptcy. One you get a loan, the college has your money. They have zero, none, nonexistent risk and zero pressure to keep costs down. They name a price and get it. And due to the devaluation of the trades, you need a college degree for damn near everything.
 
I really don't understand how people can be against socialized medicine when it works very well in other countries. A lot better and cheaper than our shitty system. Do they think that America's government is uniquely incompetent or something? (well, we do have the tea party...)

Hell, medicare is quite popular, and is more cost effective and efficient than private insurance. Its like they live in a world of ideas and concepts instead of facts

As for college, the average debt for a graduate is like 20-25k. I'd say thats pretty major

Decades of the red scare and propaganda against anything remotely reaking of socialism have left deep scars. A lot of people in office right now grew up during/the end of the red scare. My grandmother actually has an old vinyl of Ronald Reagan speaking out against socialized medicine. It was titled "Ronald Reagan Speaks Out Against Socialized Medicine". I think its from like the 60s or something. Its fun to listen to a younger Gipper lol
 
Not everyone can or will get these. So for those who don't, what are their options? Not go to college?

Hey you can always get a degree in basket weaving from a technical school. Maybe then when the bill collectors come calling you can possibly afford to pay them 20 bux with your future job as assistant manager of the Gap.
 
yes I do. Because i have personal experience with it. I took out a total of 12k for my 4 year university. Of course, the rest were paid using my part time job, and scholarships, and grants.

Oh I see you're one of them "I gotz mine FUCK the rest~" types. Talking about self made and how everyone's situation is exactly as yours. Just because you made it out ok doesn't mean that others don't need help because you have avoided the problem. It's like you would vote against fixing a street in town because you don't use that road.
 
Oh I see you're one of them "I gotz mine FUCK the rest~" types. Talking about self made and how everyone's situation is exactly as yours. Just because you made it out ok doesn't mean that others don't need help because you have avoided the problem. It's like you would vote against fixing a street in town because you don't use that road.

Did I ever say people shouldn't get help? If students come from a poor family, then there's so many grants, scholarships, and etc that it's not even funny. That and their student loan interest rate is subsidized while in college.

i will agree that the middle class needs more options and opportunities for governmental assistance.

I made it out because I got help. but to say that PUBLIC college cost is so prohibitive nowaday is really a hyperbole.
 
Not everyone can or will get these. So for those who don't, what are their options? Not go to college?

what, a part time job? that depends. They can't get it because they can't find that job, or they just refuse to work part time? If they refuse, then they have none of my sympathy.

many, many people go to school full time, and work part time to pay for their schools, so saying it's impossible to do that is just silly. Of course, there's always the outlier cases, like the ones that can't work because they have to take care of a sick family member. That's understandable. Everyone else, no so much.

I'm quite in touch with the system thank you very much, and I'm already doing/have done everything you suggested. STEM classes are some of the most expensive credit/hr classes in the Florida University system; and as a computer science major its not going to get any better. Couple that with the fact that the closest university to me (University of South Florida) is nearly a 2hr drive from my house and its basically a recipe for me getting screwed on everything; from dorms to mandatory meal ticket purchases for first year students and transfer students.

The situation you described is nice and all but rarely does a perfect scenario ever take place. I'm already working the community college/public univeristy angle and the costs are already stacking up and not in my favor. The state of Florida is cutting back on university spending which is driving up tuition costs even more, and there are more plans for more cuts.
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I don't understand. Are you from a family that's making too much money to qualify for financial aid? if you're doing the community college angle, then how are cost going up for you if you're just doing community college?

if you have a car, have you also looked at part time jobs?
 
what, a part time job? that depends. They can't get it because they can't find that job, or they just refuse to work part time? If they refuse, then they have none of my sympathy.

many, many people go to school full time, and work part time to pay for their schools, so saying it's impossible to do that is just silly. Of course, there's always the outlier cases, like the ones that can't work because they have to take care of a sick family member. That's understandable. Everyone else, no so much.



I don't understand. Are you from a family that's making too much money to qualify for financial aid? if you're doing the community college angle, then how are cost going up for you if you're just doing community college?

if you have a car, have you also looked at part time jobs?

I'm 26 and I live at home now because I can't find work. I'm still considered independent by the Florida uni system though.

The Florida Public School system doesn't let you use pell grants over summer semesters. There's a limit to how much pell you can use in one semester as well. Couple that with the fact that a lot of my classes are 5 credit hours or more and I'm taking many of them at once, such as University physics with calc, calculus with geometry 1, and chemistry and the pell grant becomes unable to cover all my expenses. I've been making extensive use of ebay and amazon prime for used books, but a lot of these classes want mymathlab licenses or some other pc software. It all adds up and I end up taking out a loan to cover the rest.

You combine that with the fact that Florida was 1 of if not the hardest hit state in the US when the housing bubble popped it get just gets worse. I'd like to think that there being "no jobs" was hyperbole, but there really aren't a lot jobs around the Tampa area. Most of the part time/casual positions got gobbled up by retirees who lost everything when the bubble popped. There was a thing in the news awhile back about there not even being a lot of jobs for summer teens to work.

I'm assuming your from California? Must be nice out there, but the situation your describing just isn't applicable here in Florida. Your trying to apply your own personal success/situation as the rule rather than the exception and its just does not work out like that. I've made a full time job out of applying for scholarships and I have yet to get 1 that paid out more than $100 at best.
 
I'm assuming your from California? Must be nice out there, but the situation your describing just isn't applicable here in Florida. I've made a full time job out of applying for scholarships and I have yet to get 1 that paid out more than $100 at best.

Sorry for sticking my nose in for something that's none of my business, but if the job situation is as shit as you say where you live, but less shit in other places, why not move?
 
Sorry for sticking my nose in for something that's none of my business, but if the job situation is as shit as you say where you live, but less shit in other places, why not move?
You make it sound like it's as easy as getting a new cell phone.

Edit: Seriously did you think about this for more than 2 seconds? This is embarrassing.
 
Sorry for sticking my nose in for something that's none of my business, but if the job situation is as shit as you say where you live, but less shit in other places, why not move?

I have no job and I live by Financial aid/whatever I get from mturk. I drive an 84 seville that can't go over 60MPH due to transmission problems and I can't find a job nor have the family to foot the bill. Explain to me how I'm suppose to do that; cause I'll be inline to do it tomorrow.

The most I can do right now is keep showing up to class and thank my mother for letting me live with her rent free.
 
I have no job and I live by Financial aid/whatever I get from mturk. I drive an 84 seville that can't go over 60MPH due to transmission problems and I can't find a job nor have the family to foot the bill. Explain to me how I'm suppose to do that; cause I'll be inline to do it tomorrow.

The most I can do right now is keep showing up to class and thank my mother for letting me live with her rent free.

I think I'm missing something
 
what, a part time job? that depends. They can't get it because they can't find that job, or they just refuse to work part time? If they refuse, then they have none of my sympathy.

many, many people go to school full time, and work part time to pay for their schools, so saying it's impossible to do that is just silly. Of course, there's always the outlier cases, like the ones that can't work because they have to take care of a sick family member. That's understandable. Everyone else, no so much.



I don't understand. Are you from a family that's making too much money to qualify for financial aid? if you're doing the community college angle, then how are cost going up for you if you're just doing community college?

if you have a car, have you also looked at part time jobs?
Why haven't part time jobs cut into the now 1 trillion worth of student debt boom boom, and what do you think should be done about it? Also why were your parents only able to secure minimum wage jobs?
 
Why so aggressive?

I get the feeling he's just tired of people saying "just move" when they clearly don't have the resources to actually move hundreds of miles away.

Haha yeah what the guys who wrote the Constitution considered a feature, you call a loophole.

And why is EatinOlives required to give a monkey's flying fuck what a bunch of rotted skeletons 6 feet under the ground in Virginia thought 230 years ago?
 
Why haven't part time jobs cut into the now 1 trillion worth of student debt boom boom, and what do you think should be done about it? Also why were your parents only able to secure minimum wage jobs?

uneducated 1st generation immigrants that came over in the 50s.

the 1 trillion debt is caused by the crash of the US market in 2008. There was a reason why students loans werent mentioned back then. Because people were able to get a job post grad. the jobs would fall into their laps.

now, they actually have to work to get that job.

I'm 26 and I live at home now because I can't find work. I'm still considered independent by the Florida uni system though.

The Florida Public School system doesn't let you use pell grants over summer semesters. There's a limit to how much pell you can use in one semester as well. Couple that with the fact that a lot of my classes are 5 credit hours or more and I'm taking many of them at once, such as University physics with calc, calculus with geometry 1, and chemistry and the pell grant becomes unable to cover all my expenses. I've been making extensive use of ebay and amazon prime for used books, but a lot of these classes want mymathlab licenses or some other pc software. It all adds up and I end up taking out a loan to cover the rest.

You combine that with the fact that Florida was 1 of if not the hardest hit state in the US when the housing bubble popped it get just gets worse. I'd like to think that there being "no jobs" was hyperbole, but there really aren't a lot jobs around the Tampa area. Most of the part time/casual positions got gobbled up by retirees who lost everything when the bubble popped. There was a thing in the news awhile back about there not even being a lot of jobs for summer teens to work.

I'm assuming your from California? Must be nice out there, but the situation your describing just isn't applicable here in Florida. Your trying to apply your own personal success/situation as the rule rather than the exception and its just does not work out like that. I've made a full time job out of applying for scholarships and I have yet to get 1 that paid out more than $100 at best.

wait, if your'e an independent, how are you not qualifying for financial aid? 0 incomes mean you would at worst, get subsidized federal loans (unless you've been in school for longer than 4 years).

And, credit hours should only matter if you're doing school part time no? If it's full time, then you'll just be paying one lump sum for that semester.

as for your scholarships applying, that's pretty unfortunate, another reason why Florida sucks. But, maybe your time is better spent trying to find a job then if the scholarships aren't even paying that much?

The retiree diid not lose everything when it popped, unless they've managed to die in the last 5 years. Because the ones that live, the stock market (and along with their stock earnings), has greatly increase since 2008.

I'm applying my own personal experience because I don't think anything I've had was ever given to me, or that it was easy. I went to school full time, took part time jobs, and like you , did summer classes while working to to graduate on time. I applied to hundreds of scholarships only to get like, 2. And then also going through what, i think 30 interviews, before getting a job after graduation.

Do other people have it worst than me? I'm sure. That's not my point. My point is that all this Gaf talk of education in the uS to be so prohibitively expensive is pretty much only looking at Grad schools and private schools, completely ignoring the public university settings.

Yay, let's talk of the student that did a 3 year law school and came out with no job and a 200k debt and says the US school system needs to be reform without realizing that that has nothing to do with the undergraduate program.
 
Australian here, Can I just ask - apparently this is all over the republicans objecting to every American having compulsory health insurance (which, if the government pitches in a little bit, isn't really a bad thing right?) Apparently you guys are almost broke as well, which if that's the case, will completely fuck up the rest of the world...

...but hey, at least you guys know what your government is doing - I think if our PM had his way, everything they did would be done in complete secrecy. Which is rather scary.

The state of the US is worrying though, cause if you guys fall, that possibly makes china the most financially powerful country. I'm not sure we want that....
 
Australian here, Can I just ask - apparently this is all over the republicans objecting to every American having compulsory health insurance (which, if the government pitches in a little bit, isn't really a bad thing right?) Apparently you guys are almost broke as well, which if that's the case, will completely fuck up the rest of the world...

...but hey, at least you guys know what your government is doing - I think if our PM had his way, everything they did would be done in complete secrecy. Which is rather scary.

The state of the US is worrying though, cause if you guys fall, that possibly makes china the most financially powerful country. I'm not sure we want that....

we're not broke. broke means we're running out of money. we can't run out of money because we can always print more. and as long as teh rest of the world trust our money and our ability to pay it back, everything else is moot.
 
we're not broke. broke means we're running out of money. we can't run out of money because we can always print more. and as long as teh rest of the world trust our money and our ability to pay it back, everything else is moot.

I want to boom boom pow your avatar.
 
I'm sorry if this seems stupid, but why have so many successive administrations let this bill from 1919 be rolled over year after year instead of implementing something more wise?

Like hand debt controls to your treasury?
 
uneducated 1st generation immigrants that came over in the 50s.
How is this an excuse, did they not bother to educate themselves?

the 1 trillion debt is caused by the crash of the US market in 2008. There was a reason why students loans werent mentioned back then. Because people were able to get a job post grad. the jobs would fall into their laps.

now, they actually have to work to get that job.
So prior to 2008 there wasn't heavy reliance on student loans. Is this what you're arguing?
 
How is this an excuse, did they not bother to educate themselves?

So prior to 2008 there wasn't heavy reliance on student loans. Is this what you're arguing?

lack of knowledge of the english language. too old to be able to understand english. that and they had to work to support the family, and didn't have the luxury to go to school.

prior to 2008? no idea.
 
Australian here, Can I just ask - apparently this is all over the republicans objecting to every American having compulsory health insurance (which, if the government pitches in a little bit, isn't really a bad thing right?) Apparently you guys are almost broke as well, which if that's the case, will completely fuck up the rest of the world...

...but hey, at least you guys know what your government is doing - I think if our PM had his way, everything they did would be done in complete secrecy. Which is rather scary.

The state of the US is worrying though, cause if you guys fall, that possibly makes china the most financially powerful country. I'm not sure we want that....

Understanding the National Debt and Budget Deficit
 
I'm sorry if this seems stupid, but why have so many successive administrations let this bill from 1919 be rolled over year after year instead of implementing something more wise?

Like hand debt controls to your treasury?
Because it's never been a problem before. The Constitution has been in effect for over 200 years — that's a long time for norms to set in and for glitches to appear. Basically the same reasons the filibuster exists.
 
lack of knowledge of the english language. too old to be able to understand english. that and they had to work to support the family, and didn't have the luxury to go to school.

prior to 2008? no idea.
Too old, really? I know that in my city there's 1st gen African refugees from war torn countries that walk through the freezing cold to learn english at the local library. This is your parents excuse?
 
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