So we're back to treating bandaids/compromises to work around the inherent disadvantages of working with DDR3 as the saving grace of the 'Bone's design? Yeesh.
Grimløck;85739296 said:
This. So much this. We went from "GDDR 5 has latency weaknesses" to "ESRAM is actually a good thing" to conflated theoretical ESRAM+GDDR3 bandwidth speeds to "It's all about the games, man!"
Go back and read his original post. The power difference between the xbox 360 and the xbox one is significantly larger than the power difference between the ps4 and the xbox one.
I see no problem acknowledging this. Does anyone seriously think the PS4 and Xbone are not at least something that constitutes the same generational tier? Do generational tiers even work that way? I mean the Wii was significantly underpowered compared to X360 and PS3 and not only is it considered to be in the same generation of consoles, sales-wise it won the gen.
It was a huge difference.
His original post stated that, in terms of FLOPS, the difference between the consoles were similar. That is true. What is there to defend? It may not translate to XB1 games looking like XB540 games (so far, that doesn't seem likely, thank god), but that doesn't make his post any less valid.
Bit too heavy on the paranoia, imo. Seems like a reasonable poster to me. Just bad at communicating his ideas/a bit light on explanation.
It does make his point less valuable.
I guess I have to do this every time I post in this thread.
Was it greater than 60%?
Unless you are calculating using total FLOPS, that is (CPU + GPU). Your argument is worse than his original post by a long shot.
I feel like im constantly being bible bashed.
I didn't point a finger at you. You did it yourself.
Sorry for getting off topic here but why? Lets be honest, in order to get Ryse running on the 360 at a stable framerate, the poly count of characters and other most other objects would probably have to be drastically reduced, the lighting would have to take a large hit, the textures would take a huge hit, shadows would look like crap, tessellation would be significantly reduced (if not removed entirely), AA would be cut, physics would be made worse, and the scene density would be butchered. And then it would run at sub 720p native.
Oh my bad. Yeah if you like the games on the xbox one more. Get that.
When the wii version of cod games looked like (imo) crap, ran at 480p, ran at 30fps instead of 60fps, and could only handle 5 vs. 5 pvp games, I'd argue the difference was larger than 60%.
This here is a specs thread, homie. We're here to talk specs. If you are surprised/tired of hearing about how much more powerful the PS4 is in this thread, complain to MS.
Most devs are saying that the performance/power difference between the xb1 and ps4 is roughly 50%. The performance/power difference between the 360 and xb1 is waaaay larger than that. we can see this simply by looking at the launch games on the three systems (360, xb1, and ps4).
Hence why I said ABSOLUTE, not %. Magnitude wise, his point was completely valid. I was never trying to say that the XB1 is only a 360.5 (540), man. I want XB1 games to look as good as they can (I'll be buying them, after all). But you can't call out a poster for lying/whatever when he's posting facts.
He posted a fact, that without the whole picture, might as well not be worth knowing. If your comparing the 360 to the xb1, you need to know alot more than the flop count to know how much more powerful the xb1 is. Same goes for the ps3 and the ps4.
Yeah. That and the fact that it makes no sense whatsoever to go into the game design process from the get-go and design your game for a non-native resolution for the screens your game is going to be on (aspect ratio choices aside). The idea that CRYTEK, of all developers, would, without any idea of how their game runs, say, "go for this janky-ass resolution without 1-1 pixel mapping so we can push more effects and upscale" is laughable.
Yeah. It appears to have descended into semantics. I'm done. Carry on, folks.
If you are trying to explain to someone how much stronger the PS4 is than the PS3, you aren't going to simply list the TFlop counts and call it good.
Size and speed of memory is more important than FLOPs. I expect next gen games to have next gen playability more than prittier graphics. Battlefield will be 64 players at last. The Order will have soft body physics. Other games... Well, will probably just look better. I don't know if Killzone and Infamous will have any new, unique features, I haven't seen any. Same goes for most multiplats. In case of X1 exclusives, none of them looks like next-gen, except for graphics.
I meant that FLOPs are important for IQ, not so much for gameplay. But at the same time physical progress will be based a lot on GPU power so, yeah, I worded it badly, sorry.
Whoa! Are you referring to me? I'm staying the heck away from that argument. It is going nowhere!
