GAF, I'm 100% sure I'm getting friendzoned on Monday

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If I had asked those girls"Hey, let's see each other so I can decide if you're a good potential girlfriend when we just met, they'd have found it creepy and called their lawyer...



Well, I'm no longer at the university :(
No, they wouldn't have. There's usually the implication that dating can lead to a long term thing and that's not creepy.
 
Has it just been completely awful to have had to slave through being friends with this person thus far? What a terrible fate to have a friend that shares similar interests and you enjoy being around.

Maybe she just wants to be friends with you and doesn't share your misplaced romantic feelings?

But nah, can't be that simple.

Everyone knows girls are robots, if you put in the right code they automatically fall in love with you. It can't be me, it has to be that another guy stole her away or I didn't break the touch barrier or implement enough PUA techniques or something.
Where have you got the impression that I don't want to be friends with her? I do, it's just that I started to have feelings for her and it appears like she doesn't share them which obviously isn't her fault nor am I suggesting that. It just hurts to see her with another guy thus me wanting to tell her that we'll need some time apart and can't hang out as often.
 
You people are being ridiculously harsh. It's easy to become romantically interested in someone on the first day you meet them, and you're saying a month is unreasonably short? And do you seriously think it's impossible to get to know someone reasonably well in a month of having lots of contact and conversations, well enough to know that you'd like to give a date a shot? Come on now.

The OP met a sweet girl, started to like her, hung out with her in a friendly setting for a few weeks to get to know her better, then had the balls to ask her out on a date to see if she was interested in the same thing. At what point did he not do exactly what he was supposed to do? And the internet gods of wisdom crucify him for it. Hell, one post tells him he's being needy and creepy by asking her out so soon, while the very next one asks him why he didn't just ask her out "in the first place." WTF do you want from him!?

Admittedly, he could make this creepy and awkward if he doesn't shake it off and try to get over it when she tells him no. But he's done fine this far.


A romantic interest and being in love are two very different things, and if you're aware that your interest in someone is more romantic than it is platonic then it's not a very good idea to hang around them for month before making your intentions clear.
 
If she does pull the line where she says she wants to stay out of the relationship game for a while, make sure to confirm that when she decides to get back into it, you get dibs.
 
Where have you got the impression that I don't want to be friends with her? I do, it's just that I started to have feelings for her and it appears like she doesn't share them which obviously isn't her fault nor am I suggesting that. It just hurts to see her with another guy thus me wanting to tell her that we'll need some time apart and can't hang out as often.

Honestly, this is the best course to take.
 
Have you tried complimenting them and asking about their jobs or majors and then asking a question that demonstrates your active listening?
I suppose I have.

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Jesus Christ, it's not that hard. Go to places where people go to demonstrate their interest in casual sex. Bars, house parties, wedding receptions for mutual friends. Then talk to girls and watch their faces to gauge their reaction to you.
I've talked to girls in such places and none seemed to be interested in casual sex.
 
Has it just been completely awful to have had to slave through being friends with this person thus far? What a terrible fate to have a friend that shares similar interests and you enjoy being around.

Maybe she just wants to be friends with you and doesn't share your misplaced romantic feelings?

But nah, can't be that simple.

Everyone knows girls are robots, if you put in the right code they automatically fall in love with you. It can't be me, it has to be that another guy stole her away or I didn't break the touch barrier or implement enough PUA techniques or something.

I like how you make a big deal out of this when it's the first girl the OP has ever fallen for.

You must have been pretty knowledgeable about the whole subject of love when you found the first girl you liked.......... Not.
 
How do I get to have casual sex with a girl without ending up in prison?? How do you even have sex with a girl before dating her?

Dude, can you just stop? Stop fucking up this dude's thread with your nonsense. It comes off as trolling. If you're serious then I understand, but still...
 
I like how you make a big deal out of this when it's the first girl the OP has ever fallen for.

You must have been pretty knowledgeable about the whole subject of love when you found the first girl you liked.......... Not.
No I wasn't but I'm also all too familiar with overthinking and silly excuses and PUA terms like "touch barrier". OP needs to take a step back, realize that we are all irrational sometimes, and appreciate the friendship he has rather than spoil it with fears and whining about "the friendzone".

Where have you got the impression that I don't want to be friends with her? I do, it's just that I started to have feelings for her and it appears like she doesn't share them which obviously isn't her fault nor am I suggesting that. It just hurts to see her with another guy thus me wanting to tell her that we'll need some time apart and can't hang out as often.
If you enjoy her company and want to be friends with her, that is a great thing. Seeing her with another guy should not affect that. Accept that your premature crush is likely not reciprocated and enjoy the friendship you have.
 
Love sure is thrown around a lot these days.


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Yeah, not really sure what it is with the younger folk nowadays. Back in my dating days (late 80's to mid 90's) you didn't "hang out" with a girl you were interested in. You met her by means of a class/friends/chance, talked a bit, then asked her out on a DATE. Just you and her, no other friends or acquaintances. If she said "yes", you go from there. If it goes good and you have a few more successful dates, THEN do the "hang out" thing. If it doesn't go well, or she says "no", then you know where you stand.

I guess I just don't understand the younger generations. Now get the hell off my lawn!

Well I have done a lot of the "hanging out" and it worked out fine for me. I got the feeling a lot of girls responded better to vagueness than forwardness. At least for me, girls seem to constantly want to keep their options open, especially at university age and don't like the idea of going into a relationship head-on. Of course it's only natural that it develops into one.

I guess it matters what you do when you hang out. I mean it's just a few words anyway. Generally when I say "I'm hanging out with her" it means I'm bonking her.
 
But how can you ask a girl on a date if you barely even know her?

Try to get some type of communication going first- how do you know her? Is she a friend of a friend, classmate, coworker? There has to be some common thread. Try to make some small talk and go from there. Once she is aware of you and you both can have a conversation about your day or whatever small interest you might share, then skip the "hanging out" bullshit and ask her on a date. That's the whole point of the date, to get to know her on a more personal level. I used to hang out with my FRIENDS (male and female) before I was married. If I hung out with a female friend, I had no interest in dating her. When I met the girl that became my wife it was through a mutual friend. I met her through this friend by chance, talked about a few things (music/movies), and after 3 days of this through phone calls, I asked her out on a date and got to know her on a personal level, and went from there.
 
Why do people think it's a good idea to confess feelings? You're betting on the chance that she feels the same. Instead of gambling, just ask her out sometime and go in for a kiss when you say goodbye. If you're rejected, then you have your answer.

I really can't think of too many cases where a guy and girl each like the other and one confesses their love and then they're together and happy. There's always some imbalance, but you're never giving yourself a chance to make up for the imbalance if all you do is out a question on the table and allow her to simply walk away.

I remember a date where I was 100% certain this girl would have said "no" if I gave her the opportunity because I suspected she had a boyfriend, but I didn't ever ask, I just went in with a goodbye kiss that turned into a goodbye make-out that turned into a goodbye bone and then a teary goodbye of her on the phone to her fiancé (oops on that part).

You absolute dawg.

I get what the OP means though. I sometimes get nervous when people approach my touch barrier. I wonder what it feels like when touch barriers cross?
 
If I'm asking those questions I'm certainly not the only one to have those problems so it might help more people than just myself. Also, saying my life and my suffering are 'nonsense' is just plain cruel.

I'd say that casual sex can bring with it more suffering than abstaining from it.

Babies, STD's, drama. Perhaps you should be happy that you aren't engaging in it, and keep sex for relationships only.
 
lol, you are not in love with her, silly. You just have a huge crush on her.

Dating is like that, pal. You make mistakes and you learn from them. She is just one of the many girls that you will meet in your life. Learn from this and move on, so next time you will know a bit more on what to do or not.

I'm on some sort of similar situation. Been hanging out with this girl for a month. 5 dates and I've still haven't said that I like her (LIKE her, not LOVE her) In my case, we have great chemistry and we always insinuate a lot of things. My only problem is that after yesterday's date she has been saying on facebook how awesome is being single, so maybe I dun goofed lol.

Good luck on monday, fellow gaffer.


Why are you guys letting the troll derail the thread?

SHIT happens.
 
Try to get some type of communication going first- how do you know her? Is she a friend of a friend, classmate, coworker? There has to be some common thread. Try to make some small talk and go from there. Once she is aware of you and you both can have a conversation about your day or whatever small interest you might share, then skip the "hanging out" bullshit and ask her on a date. That's the whole point of the date, to get to know her on a more personal level. I used to hang out with my FRIENDS (male and female) before I was married. If I hung out with a female friend, I had no interest in dating her. When I met the girl that became my wife it was through a mutual friend. I met her through this friend by chance, talked about a few things (music/movies), and after 3 days of this through phone calls, I asked her out on a date and got to know her on a personal level, and went from there.

And THAT'S how you lay down that game.
 
No I wasn't but I'm also all too familiar with overthinking and silly excuses and PUA terms like "touch barrier". OP needs to take a step back, realize that we are all irrational sometimes, and appreciate the friendship he has rather than spoil it with fears and whining about "the friendzone".

If you enjoy her company and want to be friends with her, that is a great thing. Seeing her with another guy should not affect that. Accept that your premature crush is likely not reciprocated and enjoy the friendship you have.
Yes, I guess it sucks that I fell for her and while I'm afraid I can't stand seeing her with someone else for now, time will hopefully heal that.

THE TOUCH BARRIER.


op, being rejected is not "being friendzoned" you entitled ass.

She really likes me as a friend and wants to hang out,chat and play together often. Unfortunately she doesn't seem to want any more than that. The internet told me that was called being friendzoned. And to be fair, I haven't actually been rejected yet.Just kinda placed on death row.
 
If I'm asking those questions I'm certainly not the only one to have those problems so it might help more people than just myself. Also, saying my life and my suffering are 'nonsense' is just plain cruel.
Hold a handkerchief out towards the girl you're trying to get acquainted with and say "hey I'm not sure but does this smell like chloroform to you?" while you gesture for her to lean in closer to smell.
 
Good luck on Monday, OP. It doesn't sound promising but you never know until you actually ask. It's okay to create some space afterward because putting yourself out there and getting rejected is hard. It can take some time to get over it. Just don't hold a grudge if she says no (you don't sound like that type of person).
 
I guess I've done goofed here. And I know I might sound pathetic or a 'beta bitch' and that I should man up and move on but damn It's just so fucking difficult GAF. I really love this girl. I guess I'll keep you updated about what happens after this.

no update needed. you'll still be holding your cock solo, buddy.
 
I guess I was being a bit harsh on you Kopite. I've ruined some friendships in the past from not being able to deal with rejection so I don't mean to make you feel like an idiot. My best advice is to keep doing what you're doing, you didn't actually DO anything wrong at all IMO. Just try and cope with rejection gracefully and don't over think so much about things like "the touch barrier" because those types of things are silly and irrelevant.
 
I wouldn't have confessed my love at the surprise birthday party I planned for a girl. That's an overt type of pressure on the girl. You're better off planning the party, being awesome at said party, then ignoring her a little bit.
 
Ah well, I've mostly accepted it, although since she wants to tallk I guess I'll go see what all this talk about 'The Talk' is about.

it's probably about how she wants thinks to cool down, maybe she thinks you are being weird or she'll just end the friendship altogether. people are fickle OP and girls are no different, it's all bullshit luck in the end anyways.

either way you will man up and move on.
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I guess I've done goofed here. And I know I might sound pathetic or a 'beta bitch' and that I should man up and move on but damn It's just so fucking difficult GAF. I really love this girl. I guess I'll keep you updated about what happens after this.

Yeah, everyone is just dying for an update.

Kopite: Day 21. Still a beta bitch. Over and out.
 
I guess I was being a bit harsh on you Kopite. I've ruined some friendships in the past from not being able to deal with rejection so I don't mean to make you feel like an idiot. My best advice is to keep doing what you're doing, you didn't actually DO anything wrong at all IMO. Just try and cope with rejection gracefully and don't over think so much about things like "the touch barrier" because those types of things are silly and irrelevant.
It's fine mate, thanks for chipping in anyway. As for the 'touch barrier' it's clear that I should never use it again, though I doubt I'll hear the end of it for a while yet :D
 
OP I had a friend who I genuinely never had any romantic feelings for but it still drove me mad when a mutual friend of ours was constantly touching her every chance he got (and she never seemed to repel it). I never touched her except good bye hugs and stuff, and it felt like my territory was being impeded on by this guy who just couldn't keep his hands off her.

Anyway, she and I are still good friends, years later. The other guy thought he was reading it right when she didn't reject his "touch barrier" crossings and went in heavy one time and got knocked back as she turned him down cold then refused to talk to him for half a year.

I wonder if the third party in your story is like my invasive friend? Just because he touches her a lot doesn't mean that she likes him. Maybe she doesn't like either of you and is saving herself for an orgy with One Direction.
 
three rules

1. don't become her friend
2. don't make it known you have feeling for her or that you want to hang out with her more than she wants to hang out with you
3. make it known you are sexually attracted to her, complement/flirt with her and shit.
 
The term "Friendzone" has taken on such an awful life the last couple of years.
I can't read it without thinking of all that "reddit-neckbeard" nonsense.

It's taking the blame for your failure and dumping it onto another person.
 
The term "Friendzone" has taken on such an awful life the last couple of years.
I can't read it without thinking of all that "reddit-neckbeard" nonsense.

It's taking the blame for your failure and dumping it onto another person.

It's really not. The zoner also has a little bit of blame for sending the wrong signals and not being clear that he/she is not interested when it's obvious early on that the other person likes them. It's not completely a "beta bitch male" thing, though serial zonees certainly have a few things to learn.
 
OP - The truth is, this girl didn't friendzone you... you friendzoned yourself with this confession of yours. Never EVER confess your feelings for someone outside of a relationship. It never works.

In the future you should just man up, ask the girl out on a proper date, and if things are going well make a move. If you make a move and the girl rejects you then you just forget about her, suck it up, and move on but chances are she won't since if she said yes to the date then she has some interest in you as well.

Any time spent being just friends with a woman is time wasted when you consider the fact that you could have used that time to find someone who actually wants to be with you. I swear so many guys now are afraid of offending someone or being rejected it is ridiculous.

Honestly, I don't think you should even bother meeting up with her on Monday. If she asks you why you should straight up tell her "look, I could see where this was going and I wanted to spare you and me the awkward conversation".
 
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