No but if they haven't said anything yet I doubt it's much higher since MS has been throwing out the 1.75 number a lot.
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You're reaching on the majority. Sounds like PR to me.
viveks86
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This. I have no idea what was just said!
SwiftDeath
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What was most telling was the fact execs/PR people were only willing to mention family sharing after E3
Why on earth if family sharing was so wonderful would you wait until after your biggest showing of the year to discuss it?
You forgot to mention the only potential major benefit of your digital drm?
Ok
But this is going off topic
viveks86
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Or they wanted to keep one last ace up their sleeve. Could go either way. I'm curious to find out.
When you factor in ps4's smaller enclosure compared to X1, I doubt it's going to be higher than 1.6 ghurtz.
Sword Of Doom
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Yes it's going off topic lol one last thing I will say about this, there was an interview and I forget which one but it was with Major Nelson, and whenever the interviewer would ask Nelson "so your family members can play all the games in your library", Major Nelson would say "sure, they can check out your games". Interesting choice of words
. I would have more respect for Nelson if he had simply corrected the interviewer by clarifying exactly what family share was.Edit: Is there any chance PS4 CPU is above 1.6ghz? February was a long time ago
Sony has advertised the PS4 as the "moster powerful console ever created" lately, yet still they haven't talked about the CPU clock speed. That makes it rather unlikely that they up-clocked it (significantly).
viveks86
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Yes it's going off topic lol one last thing I will say about this, there was an interview and I forget which one but it was with Major Nelson, and whenever the interviewer would ask Nelson "so your family members can play all the games in your library", Major Nelson would say "sure, they can check out your games". Interesting choice of words
Edit: Is there any chance PS4 CPU is above 1.6ghz? February was a long time ago
I think there is still a chance. It's quite mysterious that they haven't made a statement yet. But then, they didn't make a statement about DRM for months, letting people speculate. It could be a shrewd strategy, or it's just 1.6 and they didn't want to bring it up.
Just curious, I wasn't following tech stuff when the PS3 was announced. Were these details declared at the outset, or did people find out post launch?
Sword Of Doom
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I can see why they wouldn't wanna bring it up. We wouldn't stop hearing about 1.75gbz from MS
viveks86
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LOL yeah. I'm pretty sure MS is already drumming it up for the very same reason. Would be hilarious to see their reaction if Sony declares it to be higher.
fastford58
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Looks like a looped texture animation to me
It is.
Manmademan
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I've never found it to be THAT slow (come on, now) but psn is accessible from any laptop for purchases and navigation, and you can even instruct the ps3 to start downloads remotely.
Psn is slow on ps3 shouldn't stop anyone from buying games.
I imagine Sony waiting for Microsoft to blow all their pro-XB1 and anti-PS4 advertising running up to the 15th. Then they respond on Thursday afternoon with nothing more than, "We're 1.8GHz at launch".
Sword Of Doom
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A couple of days ago they were doing maintenance when I tried going to the ps store from my ps3. That same night when the store came back online my downloads were blistering fast. I normally have fast downloads but it seemed significantly faster. Don't have numbers but I would say at this point my PSN downloads are as fast as any other service I've used.
Edit: to be more precise, I have 50Mb/s Internet and my guess would be it was close to max. I know it's shocking but it's true
ProfessorMoran
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Did you just call Balmer a great guy?
Never happening. If it does, I'll purchase one WII U game of your choice*
*(US Resident only. NO LE/CE/Bundle).
Eh, jaguar has really low power consumption so I doubt that's a big factor.
That's great! My downloads are about 1.5 MBps, but down speed is 35mbit. Apparently it varies by location.
GribbleGrunger
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Thank Gribble. 'let's just wait and see' was the crux of every argument I tried to make. I typically never get involved in power debates, until I get all the facts on both sides. I was trying to prove that there are still gaps in our knowledge that need to be filled before we can make definitive statements on power differences and played the devil's advocate to present my case to those willing to read. Unsurprisingly, it got a few people riled up. And that's fine! Appreciate the ones that stayed civil and made thoughtful comments.
Devils advocate is a difficult place to be. I know from life that having a balanced view (taking points from both sides equally) puts you in a difficult position. If you pick a side you only have one demographic attacking your point of view but that's offset by having the same demographic backing you all the way. Someone who thrives on that middle ground needs to be strong because they are largely alone and have BOTH demographics on their back. Kudos for having the balls to stand alone.
Sword Of Doom
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Gotta love this post
In all honesty, almost anyone can see that PS4 is obviously more powerful than X1, especially engineers who know what those numbers and charts means. I guarantee you that even Mark Whetten (X1 lead designers) know for certainty that PS4 is easily more powerful than X1, he just can't admit that due to his position.
Come on now. He's no fanboy. He owns an iphone.
I'm beginning to wonder whether 1080p60 was a good choice for Halo 5 on Xbone. We know the console has issues at that resolution and framerate and even with Corrine Yu's team's obvious talent I worry that they'll be too hamstrung by those constraints to deliver a great looking game. I wonder if we'll see them quietly drop it to 1080p30 or 720p60 when it emerges (next E3?).
Manmademan
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I thought the person I responded to was talking navigation. Psn on ps3 is most certainly a little janky there.
But downloads? I downloaded sf4 arcade edition (18 gigs) and kingdom of amalur (13 gigs ) in about 7 hours over WiFi today. No issues with dl speeds at all
Smoke is somewhat CLOUD which is X1 specialty
It was never announced it would be 1080p. Just 60fps.
Sword Of Doom
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Smoke is somewhat CLOUD which is X1 specialty
Explains why it's always raining in Redmond
Doubt it, they have a lot of time to get to know the architecture and learn how to optimize it. They also have the convenience of being a MS first party studio so they'll have the best tools at their disposal. I think most of these games running at lower res are due to time constraints but I could be wrong.
Ahh, I see. It'll be strange for the flagship Xbone game to be 720p, then.
viveks86
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Way too early to tell. Halo is still a year away. I'd really like to see more footage from the second wave of games to accept that 1080p60 is a foregone conclusion. Right now, everyone is rushing for launch. And from the looks of it MS wasn't prepared to do it this year. So I feel that the second wave of games would be more indicative of what the hardware can do. Also, don't think Halo was announced as 1080p. So there's that.
DISCLAIMER: Before I get jumped on again, this is not a comparison to the PS4. The PS4 clearly seems to be capable of 1080p60 at launch. I'd attribute that to developer competency (for exclusives), better planning to meet launch date (for exclusives) and raw power (for both exclusives and multiplats).
Indeed! If that happens, that would be the last nail on the 1080p coffin for the xbox. But I'd remain hopeful.
They could make it 1080p and 60fps if they do this
EDIT: oh shit, this thing is huge. Forgive me mods
viveks86
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LOL! This reminds me of an image that compared classic FPS games to FPS games in the past few years!
HORRORSHØW
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looks like my shit after all the Taco Bell I ate trying to win a PS4.
Wishmaster92
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Halo 5 will probably get the killzone treatment. The single player will be either 900/1080p at 30fps, and the multiplayer is already confirmed to be 60fps.
343i has over 300 employees and the budget for a halo game is huge. I highly doubt it will be 720p so i agree with you there.
edit: from earlier in the thread
neither the PS3 nor 360 can really switch from games to apps this fast. Why? integration with the OS.
NO, it's has nothing to do with integration with the OS. It's about Hardware. The PS Vita has more RAM to work with than either the PS3 or Xbox 360.
Manmademan
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Vita ram is only marginally more than the ps3, and the VRAM is a LOT slower than ps3 vram. Its OS integration.
Edit: maybe I should clarify. The ps3 allocated a certain amount of RAM to devs, and can't increase this to improve system functions without breaking compatibility. The vita was designed with these functions in mind from day 1 and reserved enough
RAM for these functions into the partiton not reserved for gaming. The ps3 didn't.
I'm not an expert on the PS3 design, but even looking at things like downloads, it looks like they reserved nothing for other functionality and that it was designed to do only 1 thing at a time. That kind of design is hard to walk back.
You can, it's already been confirmed. Example: you can Remote Play a PS4 game on your Vita while your significant other watches Netflix on the tv.
Not that I don't believe you but is there a source for this? I have been hoping for this exact capability but never saw it confirmed to work in that way.
Really? Netflix would be running on the same PS4 as you were remote playing from?
I don't believe this.
If the game doesn't use the fixed function video decoder, you could use it to decode Netflix and then display it on the TV (should be a trivial amount of power).
viveks86
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Don't think this is possible. Remote play, as far as I know, works like screen mirroring. So you can't have a vita playing a PS4 game, while your better half watches netflix on the same PS4. That would mean the PS4 would have to drive two different screens and applications in parallel. It doesn't.
I think marvin83 gave the wrong example. But the confirmation that you can suspend games and do other stuff is accurate.
You can suspend the game by hitting the PS button (twice, I think) to switch to any application you please. In fact, you can turn the PS4 to low power mode (which is the standard off state for all intents and purposes), turn it on again and resume your game exactly where you left off.
Whilst the chances of it being implemented are slim I don't see why it wouldn't be possible the amount of processing power that netflix should consume should be minimal.
viveks86
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Yeah I don't think it has to do with processing power. But we don't know what kinds of processing the PS4 allows while playing games. Can the video decoder be used for netflix if the remote play user decides to view recorded gameplay? What would happen if the remote play user decides to open netflix as well? What happens if the netflix user switches to a game? If you have seen the demo they showed, the whole PS4 user interface is accessible via remote play. So if the person in the living room needs to use netflix while the remote play user plays a game, the PS4 will have to drive two separate UI screens. That would mean dedicated OS resources at all times so that the game performance doesn't suffer. Don't think any of that is confirmed (or likely in the future).
900p is next lower standardized 16:9 resolution supported by almost all TVs and monitors. Your TV/monitor won't support any other 16:9 resolution than 1920x1080, 1600x900, 1360x768, 1280x720. (naturally there are bigger than 1080 16:9 resolutions). Game can render how it want but it needs later to scale to one of those resolutions.
So they can't use 1500x844 or 1700x956 because those resolutions won't be compatibile with monitor/TV (beside pixel fill ratio)
1600x900 is simply next lower 16:9 resolution after 1920x1080. I use it often for newer games on my rig. IT is big jump over 720p but not as good as 1080p
Theoretically, yeah?
I still don't believe this feature exists on the PS4. I believe the system is locked while doing Remote Play - so no other apps can be run, even Netflix.
Please prove me wrong though.
I don't remember clearly but i think Vita Remote play is just App like any other so you can switch to any other app when you play remote. Now sending information from PS4 and doing something on PS4. That is unknown. I don't think we will be able to stream game on PS4 and we will be able to use rest of apps at the same time.