Messofanego
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Ugh, I don't like this kind of developer loyalty.
Batman: Arkham Origins Review Thread
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Ugh, I don't like this kind of developer loyalty.
Vire
Member
And I don't like publishers handing off one of my favorite franchises of the generation to other developers.
See how that works?
Duxxy3
Member
Wow - was not expecting such high praise for the handheld game.
Funchameleon
Banned
Agreeing with every single one of these points, as a big fan of previous entries. It really doesn't do a single revolutionary thing but it's a fantastic repackage of Rocksteady's amazing work over the last two games.
It differs most strongly from Rocksteady's games in their weakest aspects: character design, story/pacing and tone, and it's really successful on all counts.
If you liked city you'll like this. I love them all.
From the reviews I've read, joker is great, batman, not so much.
From the video I've seen I probably would not have noticed that the Joker was Troy Baker and not Hamill if i wasn't told. Not to say its perfect but it seems like Troy did a great job.
Miles Quaritch
Member
Player impressions are surely much more important and Origins has seen some very favourable player impressions.
I'd certainly take them over official reviews, which often single out and complain about the most stupidest shit imaginable.
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
But you would if it says "Rocksteady"... smh
IcyRhythms
Member
I don't doubt that some are loving the game and finding it to be the best one yet. That said, others are likely looking for any and all reason to justify their purchase of a game they won't admit didn't live up to their own set expectations.
Vire
Member
If it said Rocksteady on the cover it would have been a completely different game. Arkham Asylum to City was a big evolution for better or worse. They wouldn't have rested on their laurels nearly as much as studio trying to mimic the work that had already been done in fear of fucking it up.
GetemMa
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RedAssedApe
Banned
interesting thread...i popped into the OT and the few posts i read were a lot more positive. raving about the game being the best in the series. 
need something to pass the time for the next three weeks so i'll prob. pick it up after i finish beyond
need something to pass the time for the next three weeks so i'll prob. pick it up after i finish beyond
Vire
Member
What are some of your favorite franchises?
Imagine if I said, nope we are going to give it to this unproven developer now to milk out a year title. I'm not saying this is a bad game, it seems pretty competently made, just a total B team effort based off the reviews.
I was weary of Halo switching to hands to 343 because of the job Bungie did over the past decade, but I decided to give them a chance. Well, guess what? 343 totally fucked up the multiplayer and added one of the lamest main villains in recent memory. I also really did not like Bioshock 2 for what it is worth.
^^^I can see how you don't want to pay for this full price, FWIW.
It doesn't sound like a glorified expansion.
However the developer decision was the right one, assuming Rocksteady are working on a bigger, fresher title.
Especially since Rocksteady were nobodies before Asylum.
Besides, this is clearly a more of the same, expansion of City, do we really want Rocksteady involved in this, instead of something bigger?
It doesn't sound like a glorified expansion.
However the developer decision was the right one, assuming Rocksteady are working on a bigger, fresher title.
Especially since Rocksteady were nobodies before Asylum.
Besides, this is clearly a more of the same, expansion of City, do we really want Rocksteady involved in this, instead of something bigger?
Miles Quaritch
Member
I guess this possible, I've often looked for a silver lining in a game I've been very disappointed with, but the impressions do sound genuine.
I guess I'll see when I get the game later on today, but I kind of expected middling reviews due to player impressions of how the new level up system works and that Bats no longer has access to his full skill set from previous games, which makes sense as this is a prequel.
Do not let reviews deceive you GAF, this is the best batman game, I kinda saw the scores coming just because it wasn't rocksteady making the game which is a shame that reviewers weight a product pretty much on brand loyalty, many deducted points because is more of the same as AC, really? What's wrong with that, I'm loving it so far, it's a dark game and that tone fits batman more then ever, I would give it a 9, I don't have to say great things about the game to justify my purchase, I'm stating what I feel is the truth, gaming reviews have become a thing of the who makes the games instead and how good is the game lately, that's my opinion of course and many will differ from it, I'm out, going to bed, good night GAF
Having loved the first two, I can safely say I'm really enjoying this one as well.
It does lack the polish that the previous games have, but it is still a great Batman game imo and for a first entry from these developers it's a fantastic effort, especially when you consider the two games they had to follow.
It does lack the polish that the previous games have, but it is still a great Batman game imo and for a first entry from these developers it's a fantastic effort, especially when you consider the two games they had to follow.
Iiked city more, but I'll say this has a vibe in between both games
doniewhalberg
Member
Haha, I love Batman in this, he's hilariously grimdark and brutal. Fits that this is earlier and he's not quite as mature in dealing with every situation perfectly. I do think story will split people in how it's presented a little since the cutscenes, voice acting and the music is all a little more snappy, quick cuts, angry batman. I really dig it, I think it suits perfectly and I'm getting super pumped with the score on in the background, but I could see people being annoyed. Bruce just screaming at people and beating the shit out of them as his first line of enquiry is too funny though. I assume by the end of the game he will be in control of situations a bit more like AA/AC, but yea, I like the guy's performance.
Not sure about the new elvel up system, that's definitely something I might consider a negative, but I'm not sure if that's because it's less abusable as such. I like the ambient challenges alot more than in city though, the dark knight system, thing has me constantly engaged in combat, trying to do the thing, as it's tied to being allowed certain upgrades. In city I ignored them til the end and had most of them when I checked.
Both, for different reasons. Loved the metroidvania feel of the first, but love the scope of the second. I also don't feel there's a drop in quality in terms of the story the same way alot of people feel about AA -> AC. If I had to choose, probably AC because the combat is that much better, and in pure gameplay terms that's so important for the fun. Indoor level design in AC wasn't quite as good as AA, but it's not as big a drop as the combat in AA is to AC. So that;'s the context for alot of my thoughts.
Punished_Snake
Member
I played the game for two hours and while it doesn't feel like an improvement over City, the game is enjoyable. The game doesn't deserve a 6 out of 10 gamespot, the game at least deserve 7.5.
RedAssedApe
Banned
game sounds like it starts off more open like AC and then is more like AA. sounds good to me. also saw some posts about the story being the best of the 3...then again i think some people have mentioned that there is some plot stuff they found really dumb
Miles Quaritch
Member
Didn't they do exactly that in Origins with New Gotham? A play area the same size as Old Gotham that's all new?
simplythebest
Banned
Takes a momentary glance at all the current review score.
This does not bode well.
This does not bode well.
doniewhalberg
Member
Have you actually explored the map yet? The map is huge, and something I've not wrote about yet but I'm really pleased to find, is even in terms of the AC portion of the map, it doesn't feel the same at all. There are obviously certain landmarks where you think "oh right, there's the courthouse" but the AC portion of the map looks and feel reaally different, it doesn't feel like traversing the same space, they did great there. And, bear in mind, there is a whole new section of the city. The new verticality to the city is also great. ~There is also still
riddler things to find, some you can just pick up, some are locked behind little puzzles like in City. No riddler scan puzzle for each area sadly 
Instead of trophies, they are files, once you get a full set, they give you extra narrative towards what the Riddler is up to
Gemüsepizza
Member
And if they had created a second team at Rocksteady with exactly the same developers you would buy it lol? The funny thing is, before Batman Rocksteady was relatively unknown.
twdnewh_k
Member
While I haven't played it yet, and will reserve judgement till I do, I can understand the developer playing it safe being the first time they handle an acclaimed franchise.
What I do not understand, is reviewers going at it hard for not being innovative enough, while franchises like CoD are not viewed the same way.
What I do not understand, is reviewers going at it hard for not being innovative enough, while franchises like CoD are not viewed the same way.
Shadow Ranger
Member
I won't be getting this until the inevitable GOTY but I'm concerned. If this is more of the same as Arkham City then why deduct points when these reviewers would be the same people unlikely to deduct points for something like CoD, Assassin's etc.
It's ridiculous, I saw the GT review for Phoenix Wright: DD and it scored low for being too similar to previous games without innovating. I understand if it's been a string of titles in such a short time, but again, why does something like COD get away with it?
It's ridiculous, I saw the GT review for Phoenix Wright: DD and it scored low for being too similar to previous games without innovating. I understand if it's been a string of titles in such a short time, but again, why does something like COD get away with it?
Vire
Member
Well I mean it's not like it has the worst metacritic in the world. Has a 78 right now.
Not too far off from Black Ops 2 (83)
Also,
Vampirolol
Member
Considering that with Arkham City the formula felt already old, I'm not buying this. Too bad
doniewhalberg
Member
Hahah yea, if you felt that way about AC, this will not change your mind at all.
Poimandres
Member
Scores are definitely relative. AC was released 2 years ago... the same amount of time that passed between AA and AC has passed between AC and AO. It's not unreasonable to expect some evolution in that time, or if it is doing pretty much the same thing a sequel needs to do it better to net high scores.
I also find it funny that people are implying that reviewers have developer bias for Rocksteady considering they were completely unknown before AA released.
Not that any of this makes AO a bad game. Player impressions have been very positive!
Same. No one even knew Rocksteady before AA...
This is a fantastic game and I think in time we will look back and wonder why these reviews are not as high as AA and AC. The writing is PHENOMENAL a step above anything else in the series. There are SO many small improvements over City it's crazy. At first I liked to believe that this was City+ but now I think it's even more than that. To me it's a perfect blend of the first two games with the best writing to date for the series. I don't know how that warrants 7/10 and a damning for the new developers who have done a fantastic job with arguably the weight of the internet ragemachine on their shoulders at every goddamn step.
Some Nobody
Junior Member
If you really trust reviews, sure. But this was never "hyped" like BS: Infinite, TLOU, or GTA V was.
Vire
Member
To be honest I haven't seen any hype. I almost forgot this game was coming out.
Poimandres
Member
Pretty much! There was even a thread not long ago "Arkham Origins comes out in 10 days, you had no idea right?"
Samir Sedlar
Member
I can see where you are coming from, but why not give them a chance ((in the SP space, cause MP is probably so bad)).
I am not telling you to buy the game, maybe rent it, or borrow it from a friend, and if you like it, you can either buy the game, or wait till they release a complete version of the game later ((if you believe they will do so)).
TheSadRanger
Banned
I dunno, it doesn't help that most of the video reviews are based upon the console version in which I have no reference to base what it looks like on PC. Considering the PC version of Asylum looks much better than the console version of Origins from what's been shown in video reviews.
Most of the animations look the same with very little variation. In this regard I'm skeptical since so many assets look like they are re used. Bad guy gets knocked out and grabs his tummy or head... Nothing new to see here.
From what I've seen Baker sounds fine as the joker sometimes but in other moments it sounds completely forced as his voice grows increasingly raspy.
The combat looks fine, it just looks like Batman Hyper Fighting Turbo Edition.
Most of the animations look the same with very little variation. In this regard I'm skeptical since so many assets look like they are re used. Bad guy gets knocked out and grabs his tummy or head... Nothing new to see here.
From what I've seen Baker sounds fine as the joker sometimes but in other moments it sounds completely forced as his voice grows increasingly raspy.
The combat looks fine, it just looks like Batman Hyper Fighting Turbo Edition.
Acquiescence
Member
Those are the scores are in line with what I was expecting. I knew this game would be a downgrade from City the moment I laid eyes on it. No Hamill, no Conroy, a different developer, tacked-on multiplayer mode, and a prequel to boot. As soon as you know a sequel is a prequel, interest just automatically wanes *cough*Ascension/Judgement*cough*.
Gimme dat next-gen Rocksteady Batman: Gotham City.
Gimme dat next-gen Rocksteady Batman: Gotham City.
Miles Quaritch
Member
Ashes of Arkham or bust. Great way to end the quadrilogy with Gotham burning.