PS4 can't play MP3, Music Unlimited needed for background music [Up:Yoshida responds]

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Biker19 said:
That's where the outrage should be rightly directed at, not at something small like no DLNA or no MP3 player. No one shouldn't have to cancel their pre-orders of either Xbox One or Playstation 4 or to not buy them at all because of it.
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Is both impossible? These new consoles are meant to be an improved experience in every area. Not just ones you deem important.
 
zomgbbqftw said:
FWIW, the same stuff just went down between the smartphones division and the camera division. The camera processing in th Z1 was essentially held back to protect the camera division. In the end the Xperia division won the battle and a new processing engine is being coded. Hopefully common sense will prevail here as well. Kaz seems to have a handle on things from what I have heard.
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Good to hear, hopefully Kaz keeps pushing.
 
luxsol said:
My point is that people are up in arms about the cheapest aspect of anti-consumerism for these consoles so far, yet things like online multiplayer pay wall, DLC on disc, and other anti-consumer policies you have millions of people supporting that shit.
The whole point of owning a console is where most people don't give a shit about being bilked, but secondary functions? 50+ page thread in half a day.
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You being serious?

The paywall thing for multiplayer is done to DEATH. Do you come here often?
 
Wow this is actually a bit of a deal breaker for me...
Im an xbox gamer at the moment and the genres I like most are driving games, sports games, and fighting games. All three genres are perfect for custom soundtracks and one of my favourite things to do is play a driving game while I'm listening to my tunes...

Maybe I'll just wait and see how this all plays out.
 
zomgbbqftw said:
FWIW, the same stuff just went down between the smartphones division and the camera division. The camera processing in th Z1 was essentially held back to protect the camera division. In the end the Xperia division won the battle and a new processing engine is being coded. Hopefully common sense will prevail here as well. Kaz seems to have a handle on things from what I have heard.
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interesting.
 
It will eventually allow your mp3 for background music, just not at launch.

A little disappointing but not really that bummed about it.. i would only ever use custom music for sports/racing games. NOTHING ELSE.
 
jcm said:
This is shitty news. I have an MU subscription, and was considering renewing. Now I think I'll skip it. Pushing me to things like this just pisses me off. I'll get spotify or something instead.
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Huh? This makes no sense.

It's like people with PS Plus complaining that multiplayer is behind the plus sub.
 
Hmm.. so Xbox threads are usually full of people deriding the multimedia features of the X1 and championing games, games, games...

And here we've got 54 pages of people furious because the PS4 won't play mp3s or stream movies. Some people even admit to never using it but are still "extremely irritated" that its gone...

My mind is boggled.
 
I honestly never play BG music when I play games, but I subbed to Music Unlimited when it was $12 a year for PS+ members. I dig it since I sold all my album collection and have lost the contents of my harddrives so many times that all I care to do is stream music, radio, or let an album play on youtube sometimes. This works for me, for now, but I probably won't even have a PS4 by the time my sub runs out, and likely won't resubscribe if it's not discounted down to $10-15 like it was.
 
msdstc said:
It's the way the company handled it. It's the same reason so many people turned their back on microsoft. It's a slimy move.
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Mmm, that logic I don't get. If you're already paying, then it doesn't make a difference.

But yeah, if you weren't paying and are now being forced to, different ball game. So all PS3 owners who didn't have a Plus such ave every right to be pissed about MP being behind a paywall.
 
I am actually enjoying video games soundtracks and ambient sound, so I tried to play music in background only 1-2 times on my Xbox 360, but I couldn't focus on the games so I never used it after.

But disabling DLNA? Really? That's just stupid, and people who say that Sony didn't have time to port it on PS4 because code for PS3 was completely different - really? Even amateur developers were able to create DLNA players for Android and iOS devices, hell Sony had time to implement Music and Vido Unlimited which are probably more complicated. The way I see it they are butchering functionality to push their own music and video services - that's not cool at all and there is no excuse for doing so.
 
erawsd said:
Hmm.. so Xbox threads are usually full of people deriding the multimedia features of the X1 and championing games, games, games...

And here we've got 54 pages of people furious because the PS4 won't play mp3s or stream movies. Some people even admit to never using it but are still "extremely irritated" that its gone...

My mind is boggled.
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People don't like the perceived trade off for the X1 features whereas here there doesn't appear to be any kind of trade off. Only a policy. It's a bit puzzling to me as this doesn't seem like a technical or schedule kind of limitation. It seems like this was a deliberate decision not to include this stuff.
 
msdstc said:
ehh agree to disagree then. With Multiplayer games have more longevity than they've ever had before. I get plenty out of the majority of the games I buy and I never buy DLC,
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whoa, wat?
Are you seriously saying that your music and video library is far more important to be on your gaming console than it is for gaming content to NOT be behind a pay wall?
And even seem to claim that if not for the pay wall, that online multiplayer wouldn't be as complex? WUT WUT WUT WUT WUT WAT WUT WUT WUT?!

Holy shit.
If I read your post right and you really believe that, lemme quote myself from a previous thread
luxsol said:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=65685181&postcount=313] This kind of ignorant thinking is exactly why people think we need to pay up.

It's not free and has never been free.
Almost every game that has online multiplayer is paid for, by you, when you buy their game.
The cost of the matchmaking servers, or whatever you want to call it, that allows us to connect with each other is included with the cost of the game the developer is producing. Whether the game features dedicated servers or P2P (or even if you don't want multiplayer) they are charging you the costs associated with multiplayer for the price of their games.
So you already paid for the online multiplayer, and people are complaining that Sony and MS are making us pay for it again.

It's not that it should be free, it's that MS/Sony are fucking over the consumer by locking the portion of the game we already paid for behind a paywall.
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Satchel said:
The paywall thing for multiplayer is done to DEATH. Do you come here often?
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I'm boggled that a secondary function being missing gets 53 pages in twelve hours, whereas the pay wall thing got like 5 threads with 30 pages total. It's what made me post in this thread.
If what msdstc said is what i think he meant, it really shows how in the dark people really are.
 
SeaOfMadness said:
People don't like the perceived trade off for the X1 features whereas here there doesn't appear to be any kind of trade off. Only a policy. It's a bit puzzling to me as this doesn't seem like a technical or schedule kind of limitation. It seems like this was a deliberate decision not to include this stuff.
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DLNA is definitely a technical limitation. But mp3 is definitely a policy and or licensing one. Audio CDs probably too.
 
luxsol said:
whoa, wat?
Are you seriously saying that your music and video library is far more important to be on your gaming console than it is for gaming content to NOT be behind a pay wall?
And even seem to claim that if not for the pay wall, that online multiplayer wouldn't be as complex? WUT WUT WUT WUT WUT WAT WUT WUT WUT?!

Holy shit.
If I read your post right and you really believe that, lemme quote myself from a previous thread



I'm boggled that a secondary function being missing gets 53 pages in twelve hours, whereas the pay wall thing got like 5 threads with 30 pages total. It's what made me post in this thread.
If what msdstc said is what i think he meant, it really shows how in the dark people really are.
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Nope you're not getting it. The point is what you're paying for with plus at least made sense to me in that you were unlocking access to servers from our point of view. I understand they should be able to offer all of this to us for free, but they don't and that's the way it's been on consoles for a while now. (I know psn was fine, but I mean prior to that it was ALL xbox live, even for the first few years of PSN) That being said, what you're paying for here, is access to your own damn music, that you've owned and used on every other device for over a decade. It's a new low in the pay wall saga.
 
erawsd said:
Hmm.. so Xbox threads are usually full of people deriding the multimedia features of the X1 and championing games, games, games...

And here we've got 54 pages of people furious because the PS4 won't play mp3s or stream movies. Some people even admit to never using it but are still "extremely irritated" that its gone...

My mind is boggled.
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We get it, Music Unlimited is a great game.
 
Satchel said:
Mmm, that logic I don't get. If you're already paying, then it doesn't make a difference.

But yeah, if you weren't paying and are now being forced to, different ball game. So all PS3 owners who didn't have a Plus such ave every right to be pissed about MP being behind a paywall.
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Why? If you don't support a companies practices in an area, you should vote with your wallet and cancel anything. The fact that people don't is the reason companies know they can get away with it as consumers sit their with their finger up their arse saying "Well I don't like that you're taking away a feature to force this on us, but it's too much effort to cancel. Please, continue with your shady practices and I will shower you with gold".

I hope one day that attitude will change, but I very much doubt it.
 
Satchel said:
Mmm, that logic I don't get. If you're already paying, then it doesn't make a difference.

But yeah, if you weren't paying and are now being forced to, different ball game. So all PS3 owners who didn't have a Plus such ave every right to be pissed about MP being behind a paywall.
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Multiplayer behind a pay wall sucks a lot but at least there is at least a way to sell it to the consumers. People are being told that the revenue generated from the multiplayer pay wall can ensure that service is better than ever. This music situation is here so Sony Music can gain more marketshare in their, I assuming, poor music service. Paying for multiplayer could lead to positives on the consumer end (this is not even including the free games that it comes with). Locking all my music away and forcing me to go through one store to access content is never going to give me a benefit. In short, multiplayer pay wall sucks but at least there could end up being something positive coming out of it in terms of the consumer side. There is no positive benefit to the consumer with the current music situation.
 
Big-E said:
Multiplayer behind a pay wall sucks a lot but at least there is at least a way to sell it to the consumers. People are being told that the revenue generated from the multiplayer pay wall can ensure that service is better than ever. This music situation is here so Sony Music can gain more marketshare in their, I assuming, poor music service. Paying for multiplayer could lead to positives on the consumer end (this is not even including the free games that it comes with). Locking all my music away and forcing me to go through one store to access content is never going to give me a benefit. In short, multiplayer pay wall sucks but at least there could end up being something positive coming out of it in terms of the consumer side. There is no positive benefit to the consumer with the current music situation.
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Logic is sound. I approve of this explanation.
 
shame the ps4 wont play mp3's, but i gotta say MU is a decent service. i started my sub when it went on sale for 20$ a year. you can put it on 3 mobile devices at once & in addition bravia tv's, ps3, ps4 as wel as pc. i've had up to 3 devices used simultaneously on the same account (i think), idk if there's a limit to that tbh. loaded my sub on the wife's i pad, my son's phone & my own phone. my family's music needs taken care of with one sub, i can't complain even if i have to pay 40$ to renew. can't say i'll use the in game music a ton, but nice feature to have... 23-24 million songs to choose from, i have yet to search for something i couldn't find on there...
 
msdstc said:
Nope you're not getting it. The point is what you're paying for with plus at least made sense to me in that you were unlocking access to servers from our point of view. I understand they should be able to offer all of this to us for free, but they don't and that's the way it's been on consoles for a while now. (I know psn was fine, but I mean prior to that it was ALL xbox live, even for the first few years of PSN) That being said, what you're paying for here, is access to your own damn music, that you've owned and used on every other device for over a decade. It's a new low in the pay wall saga.
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You're saying i don't get it and you're telling me that you're more upset about the music you own (the games you own) not being able to be played on a device unless you pay a new low fee (PS+)? You're hilarious.

Sorry, but this is a fine example of hypocrisy.

Nevermind that you think anti-consumer policies are A-OKAY as long as another company did it before them.

Ugh.
 
Well, Yosp-San is trustworthy in my opinion. Obviously if he cant do anything about it its not his fault but at least he's willing to mention it.
 
Funny how these machine would be versatile enough to accomodate changes from people complaining on the internet.

Makes me fearful of how spoiled everybody will be 5 years from now.
 
Satchel said:
It's like people with PS Plus complaining that multiplayer is behind the plus sub.
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PS+ hasn't been about multiplayer until now though, I've heard lots of PS+ subscribers complaining that they're now forced to keep paying for PS+ just to not lose multiplayer. $50 a year during that 10 year generation adds up to quite a bit. Oh and add Xbox Live too for many of us. Plus Music Unlimited. Maybe Xbox Music too since MS is unusually silent on the subject. And Netflix. Sigh, maybe that second job idea wasn't so bad after all :/
 
luxsol said:
Nevermind that you think anti-consumer policies are A-OKAY as long as another company did it before them..
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People whine and make fun of PSN because it's not as good as XBL then when Sony charges for MP so they can put that money into bringing the service up to scratch morons call them out because they are "anti-consumer".
 
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Seems more appropriate in hindsight.
 
TheLegendOfMart said:
People whine and make fun of PSN because it's not as good as XBL then when Sony charges for MP so they can put that money into bringing the service up to scratch morons call them out because they are "anti-consumer".
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I think there is a logical explanaition to that though. Dfferent people.

Maybe the people that whined and made fun of PSN were Xbox gamers, maybe they were jealous about the free multiplayer on the other console, don't know, myself and many others had zero issues with PS3 multiplayer.

And maybe the "morons" calling them out for anti-consumer behavior are PS3 gamers, maybe they are annoyed at having to start paying for something that used to be free, don't know, like I said myself and many others had zero issues with PS3 multiplayer.
 
Sony stupidity at its finest. 2 steps forward, one step back lol.

Its still a step back dammit! I expect it to be patched it but not being there at launch is ridiculous.
 
luxsol said:
My point is that people are up in arms about the cheapest aspect of anti-consumerism for these consoles so far, yet things like online multiplayer pay wall, DLC on disc, and other anti-consumer policies you have millions of people supporting that shit.
The whole point of owning a console is where most people don't give a shit about being bilked, but secondary functions? 50+ page thread in half a day.
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WTF are you talking about?If people didn't cared about "being bilked" then we'd still had all the XB1 DRM.Having lost the battle of free online MP on PS4 doesn't mean that we have to bend down and let them rape us completely.
And with the DLC on disc you have a choice to ignore it and not pay a single penny for it.But not allowing us to play my mp3s is something we can't ignore and we shouldn't.There's a line of how much a company can fuck a consumer's right and things like these seem to be crossing it.

And seriously what the fuck is your problem with a 50+ thread of people complaining when someone is trying to fuck them?You should be glad that people are against this shit and let their voice heard unless you work for Sony's marketing or something.
 
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