This is more along the lines of...alternate body?
Super Smash Bros Wii U and 3DS Thread 3: Ridley's Believe It or Not!
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This is more along the lines of...alternate body?
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
No, he was talking about Tekken style customized costumes.
Let's do this:
Mario = Dr. Mario
Luigi = Mr. L
Peach = Daisy
Bowser = Dry Bowser
Donkey Kong = Funky Kong
Yoshi = Boshi
Wario = Classic Overalls
Link = Villager Outfit from Twilight Princess
Zelda = Skyward Sword outfit.
Ganondorf = OoT Ganondorf (Assuming TP Ganondorf is the standard)
Toon Link = Train Conductor outfit from Spirit Tracks.
Samus = Fusion armor.
Pit = Dark Pit/Pittwo
Fox/Falco/Wolf = Not too familiar with this series... Command/Adventure outfits, I guess?
Pokemon Trainer = Female Trainer (Hopefully we get more than one to represent every Gen)
Pikachu = Female Pikachu
Marth = Lucina
Ike = Priam
Roy = Eliwood
Ness = Ninten
Lucas = Claus
Villager = Female Villager
Sonic = Classic Sonic
Mega Man = Ugly Cover Art Mega Man, or maybe Proto Man.
Mario = Dr. Mario
Luigi = Mr. L
Peach = Daisy
Bowser = Dry Bowser
Donkey Kong = Funky Kong
Yoshi = Boshi
Wario = Classic Overalls
Link = Villager Outfit from Twilight Princess
Zelda = Skyward Sword outfit.
Ganondorf = OoT Ganondorf (Assuming TP Ganondorf is the standard)
Toon Link = Train Conductor outfit from Spirit Tracks.
Samus = Fusion armor.
Pit = Dark Pit/Pittwo
Fox/Falco/Wolf = Not too familiar with this series... Command/Adventure outfits, I guess?
Pokemon Trainer = Female Trainer (Hopefully we get more than one to represent every Gen)
Pikachu = Female Pikachu
Marth = Lucina
Ike = Priam
Roy = Eliwood
Ness = Ninten
Lucas = Claus
Villager = Female Villager
Sonic = Classic Sonic
Mega Man = Ugly Cover Art Mega Man, or maybe Proto Man.
He's clearly saying costumes will not be part of the customisation process when it comes to a character i.e. we can't make our own costumes for Mario and give him a sombrero.
SenorArdilla
Member
I don't see why people are so angry about this. It's Wii Fit Trainer. They're our WTF characters.
Leave that to the modders a la El Donté.
Leave that to the modders a la El Donté.
Watch Da Birdie
I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
I always thought it'd be fun if the characters had "cosplay" outfits of lesser Nintendo characters rather than completely changing into different ones.
Stuff like Wario dressing up as the detective from Gumshoe, or Toon Link wearing Prince Sable's clothes.
Some do, but not all of them. In Generation IV they added gender differences for a handful of Pokemon, which they dropped mostly afterwards bar specific, obvious cases.
Of the Smash cast, only Pikachu has one, the female has a heart-shaped tail.
Stuff like Wario dressing up as the detective from Gumshoe, or Toon Link wearing Prince Sable's clothes.
Some do, but not all of them. In Generation IV they added gender differences for a handful of Pokemon, which they dropped mostly afterwards bar specific, obvious cases.
Of the Smash cast, only Pikachu has one, the female has a heart-shaped tail.
NeonZ
Member
Dark Link is a boss that appeared a few times in the series. It was a sub-boss in Ocarina of Time and the final boss in Adventure of Link. And, yes, he's basically a Link all colored black. The costume used in Brawl, specifically, actually comes from a scene in Twilight Princess with a narration about an ancient people, with that Dark Link design with the red eyes being used to represent them. Anyway, my point is just that it's a separate character, and yet Sakurai included alternate colors that changed even Link's skin and eye colors to match his, not just the outfit).
Regarding Zelda, although both share the same name and moveset in Smash, the Zelda from OoT (the one in Melee) and the one in Twilight Princess (Brawl) are technically different people, Sakurai directly said in the Brawl Dojo update about alternate colors that the Zelda with blond hair and pink clothes was the previous Zelda. So, yet again, he was including an alternate color that was meant to be a different character from the main option.
Of course, that doesn't mean he'll do the same with full costumes even if we do get them now, but I think it shows he isn't against the idea of making alternate looks that reference different characters.
I think you're overlooking the first part. They were talking about the customization feature that Sakurai had mentioned and costumes were denied in that context.
Choosing a preset alternate outfit isn't really "customization" of a character. You're still choosing from the preset unique looks offered by the game, not "customizing" an unique look.
BigEvilTurtle
Banned
Right! Thanks you guys, I was confused 
MrSaturn99
Member
Well, he already had that as an alt color in Brawl, although I always thought it'd be cool if
he got the jacket from Chapter 5 when the Pig-Masks thought he was the Masked Man
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
It's always implied the Jigglypuff is a girl though.
Apparently that was in response to the idea of putting custom clothing stuff on the characters, like putting sunglasses on Mario, for example. But just because that doesn't apply to alt costumes doesn't mean WFT, Villager, and Wario won't be the only chars with alts.
Ugh.
None of the Pokemon that Pokemon Trainer used in Brawl would have gender differences. Pikachu would, though.
edit: beat D:
No! Keep that annoying ape and his voice out of my smash. D:<
If we know anything from Mario Kart, Funky Kong would be top tier automatically.
Hmm ok. Maybe they could just add a few more colours for the actual Pokemon?
I just really want a female trainer D:
Maybe but is it nicer? I think not.
I feel like it can totally happen now. If all works as planned hopefully Sakurai would implement a way to "reveal" who she really is. Maybe through damage or a super complicated taunt combo.
I'm going to guess that certain "generic" characters would get costumes to represent both genders. Villager, and hopefully Pokemon Trainer this time around. And obviously Mii if its in would get a slight change too.
The male WFT doesn't contradict the WFT name or anything, so Marth/Lucina would probably be pushing it.
The male WFT doesn't contradict the WFT name or anything, so Marth/Lucina would probably be pushing it.
No because sega. Also hit boxes.
Dr. Buni
Member
Speaking of which, did anyone claim the Delphox avatar you made? If not, I'd love to claim it.
Yoshi = Birdo
Link = OoT!Link
Ganondorf = Either OoT!Ganondorf or Demise
Sonic = Shadow (Wouldn't classic Sonic's hit boxes be extremely different?)
Mega Man = Proto Man
And I think Skyward Sword Zelda as an alternate costume would be problematic because hit boxes
Yeah, I agree. What this might mean is we may get a female Villager and possibly a female Pokemon Trainer (but that's more unlikely). I don't take this to mean every character is getting a new costume, though. Unless they plan for DLC in the future or something.
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Damn. Is this the first time he's directly come out and said "this is all the info you're getting for now"?
Neoriceisgood
Member
Speaking of which, did anyone claim the Delphox avatar you made? If not, I'd love to claim it.
Yoshi = Birdo
Link = OoT!Link
Ganondorf = Either OoT!Ganondorf or Demise
Sonic = Shadow (Wouldn't classic Sonic's hit boxes be extremely different?)
Mega Man = Proto Man
And I think Skyward Sword Zelda as an alternate costume would be problematic because hit boxes
I remember seeing someone with it, no clue if they kept it tho.
See some of these wouldn't work. Birdo and Shadow for example would require new animations. You would have to either go with an alternate costume the character has worn before or some thing that is literally like a clone. Male and female versions of avatar type characters, mega man and proto man, Peach and Daisy, etc.
dryuriev7777
Member
Is Shadow/Classic Sonic really that different from the Sonic we already have? I mean I don't know much about the series, but you could just slap some black paint on Sonic and maybe add some red lines here and there and bam Shadow, right? Also what exactly is the difference between Classic and Modern Sonic? I just dun see why they would need different animations or have weird hit boxes if they were alt costumes.
Dr. Buni
Member
lol
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okay thenYou are right. I'd guess Proto Man would require new animations as well, because of his shield. Plus, it wouldn't make sense for him to have Rush in his moveset.
There are some differences between Sonic and Shadow, besides the color scheme. For example, Shadow doesn't run like Sonic, he "skates".
Classic Sonic is smaller than the Modern Sonic (the one in SSB), so the hit boxes would be fucked up if the cute Classic was an alternate costume.
As a couple of people in the thread had pointed out, the legs on the two trainers appear to be bent slightly differently.
This would allow the Trainers to have same proportions, but with the FemaleWiiFitTrainer having slightly longer legs.
Double trainer happened.
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I'm a woodpecker...
Except with dirt.
Except with dirt.
Shadow
1) would not have the same taunt animations as sonic, extra work , Sonic=Dane, Shadow=Virgil( actually is more like nero or sparda, or a Dio Brando kind of situation because he can be a pompous ass and can stop time, but lets keep the comparisons simple) And as the guy below me stated, running animations too.
2) a whole new voice has to be recorded.
3) does not even fight remotely like sonic, and to be honest because of that Sega would probably be like no.
Classic Sonic
1) he too small homie
2) also sega has stated, they are done with classic sonic. So they would also be like no.
Shadow attacks with MYSTICAL CHAOS POWERS and has rocket shoes. He actually functions differently than Sonic, though you wouldn't think it from appearance.
Classic Sonic has different animations and proportions, but otherwise is pretty close to Modern Sonic. The real issue there would be that all of Sonic's attacks connect from points on his body whereas WFT's Yoga does some crazy stuff with disjointed hitboxes so it might not work as well.
Good list except PIKACHU = RAICHU damn it
Again, in the Wii Fit and Animal Crossing games, the male and female trainers/villagers do exactly the same things as each other. All Smash Bros. attacks and taunts work for both versions. The same can't be said for an "obvious" costume like Dr. Mario, which in order to be true to the character would require pills, new taunts, and technically a new name -- at which point it's no longer an alternate costume.
Why is his cat so gorgeous?
Male and Female Villagers actually move a bit differently, with different walk/run animations. Hardly a major concern, but they're not a 1:1 comparison.
Isn't that if you have the character wearing a dress, regardless of the gender?
i totally tested this btw
BigEvilTurtle
Banned
Replace the fireballs with pills, change a few sound effects, alter his model a bit, and you've got Dr. Mario. Don't see how it's that far out there.
What's the secret? Press L+R+Select on the character select screen to change the character's gender? Are we finally getting Maria?
You're probably right and the females just start in dresses so that's what I saw. Unless they have the female wearing shorts they'd probably have to add it in though, since she's in a dress in all her artwork.
MrSaturn99
Member
Are those new? I'm always looking up Sakurai's Twitpic/Twitter Media Gallery and I don't see 'em.
In any case, totally.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Interesting. I don't see why he wouldn't elaborating anything on it. I guess he might be secret character or that he might be a part of customization system that Sakurai have been talking about. I know wild guesses but it's interesting to see that.
Yep.
Basically.