Xboxone Resolutiongate (Eurogamer)

Rising_Hei said:
That's not a valid example either

More like Saturn vs PSX
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Yeo your probably right. Look at launch Virtua Fighter tho...compared with the remix version that came out 6 months later. Vast improvement. Guess question is, can MS give us palpable XB1 exclusives like NiGHTS?

Biggest disappoint to me thus far isn't the resolutiongate...but more that MS have been quite stingy with their moneyhats.

Given XB1 development has been going for some time, and I'm no expert on how moneyhatting goes. But I'd personally have gone to all the major players...say like Bethesda a few years ago and offered to fund the complete development of a key title in a franchise say like Fallout 4 - with Bethesda given the rights to the PC version as well.
 
Primedoughnut said:
Sorry to hijack this topic, but it seems Marcus Beer (annoyed Gamer) is claiming via sources the PS4 is prone to overheating...and this is why no retail units are available for reviewers etc..

anybody else heard this?
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Where has he said this?

Only there a couple of people that have been posting about the OS and with access to kits, and there is Thuway and Mort who have said nothing at all and they are happy breaking good and bad from both sides.
 
DBT85 said:
Where has he said this?

Only there a couple of people that have been posting about the OS, and there is Thuway and Mort who have said nothing at all and they are happy breaking good and bad from both sides.
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I'm assuming on Annoyed Gamer.
 
DBT85 said:
Where has he said this?

Only there a couple of people that have been posting about the OS, and there is Thuway and Mort who have said nothing at all and they are happy breaking good and bad from both sides.
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I think ever since that one image showing the PS4 red lining or some shit inside that plastic case and we learned it has a shutdown protection to prevent damage in the event of overheating, some people are now 'hearing' it will have overheating issues.

WE SHALLETH SEETH I SUPPOSETH
 
Primedoughnut said:
Sorry to hijack this topic, but it seems Marcus Beer (annoyed Gamer) is claiming via sources the PS4 is prone to overheating...and this is why no retail units are available for reviewers etc..

anybody else heard this?
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I personally asked Mort about this exact topic just yesterday, and he said he's heard nothing suggesting it's true.

Raydeen said:
XB1 is a capable system. Dead Rising 3 and Ryse both look amazing. Obviously it will never be the beast PS3 is. Once tools are settled and the less than conventional memory management is mastered, I'd expect to see more 1080p titles with more complex stuff going to 900 vs PS4 1080p.

XB1 could be the Megadrive to the PS4's SNES. Question is, can Microsoft gets those exclusives that defined the Megadrive?
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Trying to compare these modern consoles to 16 bit consoles is an absolutely worthless endeavor. They are far more complicated and far more factors determine how things turn out with each game. There is truly no accurate console comparison for the power differences in these two consoles.
 
stryke said:
I'm assuming on Annoyed Gamer.
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Just watched the video.

He's hearing from a couple of sources that the retail kits are prone to overheating and believes that everything we have seen so far is running on the debug units which look identical.

My question would be, shouldn't the debug units be overheating too? Those units that are on show for hours and hours and hours at shows?

He's making valid points about HDCP and nobody having access to retail boxes though. Don't buy the overheating though. It's not like hiding it now is going to save Sony any face as they'll get dragged over the coals once people realise at home. Even more so because of RROD.
 
Primedoughnut said:
http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/wa01vf/annoyed-gamer-growing-concerns-for-the-playstation-4
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I'm not sure I'd read much into the specific rumor. His concern is more with the lack of access, saying that nobody has retail units 2 weeks before launch. We would have probably heard more about that specific rumor if there were more sources, I think it's more "I can't have real info so I'm stuck with looking for any rumor I can find to explain why I can't have info."

Completely possible there is an issue,whether it's that or something else. Or Sony's just being stupid about access to retail units.
 
DBT85 said:
Just watched the video.

He's hearing from a couple of sources that the retail kits are prone to overheating and believes that everything we have seen so far is running on the debug units which look identical.

My question would be, shouldn't the debug units be overheating too? Those units that are on show for hours and hours and hours at shows?
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Ohh that nonsense again.
 
DBT85 said:
Just watched the video.

He's hearing from a couple of sources that the retail kits are prone to overheating and believes that everything we have seen so far is running on the debug units which look identical.

My question would be, shouldn't the debug units be overheating too? Those units that are on show for hours and hours and hours at shows?
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Debug units are retail units but with different firmware, they have the same hardware with the same cooling in the same casing.
 
Albert Penello said:
You asked what the chances were.

I'll be back. You're right, I should talk about it. But right now, still lots of info to come out. Once the dust settles, and all the information is out there, I'll address my comments.
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I didn't see this before the edits, but this sounds fine.

This situation is so weird to me because when Penello first got a GAF account I thought it was great based on hearing him before on the Major Nelson podcast. Very knowledgeable, affable and entertaining. I assumed he would steer clear of very controversial topics where there were no definitive answers an employee of MS could give, but would still be able to address certain things and be a positive force here.

When he first started acting like Arthur Gies on steroids I was truly shocked.
 
Slashlen said:
I'm not sure I'd read much into the specific rumor. His concern is more with the lack of access, saying that nobody has retail units 2 weeks before launch. We would have probably heard more about that specific rumor if there were more sources, I think it's more "I can't have real info so I'm stuck with looking for any rumor I can find to explain why I can't have info."

Completely possible there is an issue,whether it's that or something else. Or Sony's just being stupid about access to retail units.
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Nono, he is saying he doesn't " think " we have seen retail boxes yet because they look the same as the debug units lol.

So those units we see inside the Gamestop cases? What are those exactly? Mythical creatures streaming PS4 games from a master PS4 at Sony?

The guy sounds like he is angry about the video stuff and then nitpicking Sony about everything else. I will be checking out the PS4 at Gamestop all the time so it will become pretty clear if the unit starts to overheat. I hear fans and such inside the display, so it should be ventilated.
 
Prelude. said:
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https://twitter.com/aarongreenberg/status/396066138875912192
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And Microsoft continues to make themselves look even more worse...

They really need to just zip it from further embarrassment.
 
Primedoughnut said:
Like I said it's just a claim.. and I would have made a separate thread, but being a junior can be a tad annoying at times...lol
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There was something floating around in the last couple of days about overheating, but it turned out to be a demo unit locked in a clear perspex retail promo stand box with absolutely no airflow. It went into self preservation shutdown mode after about 8 hours IIRC.

I think if there was anything more substantial than that we would have heard about it.
 
cilonen said:
There was something floating around in the last couple of days about overheating, but it turned out to be a demo unit locked in a clear perspex retail promo stand box with absolutely no airflow. It went into self preservation shutdown mode after about 8 hours IIRC.

I think if there was anything more substantial than that we would have heard about it.
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Yea to me it just seems like Mr. Beer is trying to cause a stir cause he still upset about whatever he and Sessler were complaining about days ago.
 
Albert Penello said:
You asked what the chances were.

I'll be back. You're right, I should talk about it. But right now, still lots of info to come out. Once the dust settles, and all the information is out there, I'll address my comments.
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Again, from one corporate person to another. Stop posting here. All you will do is get yourself or Microsoft into further crap. There is no winning for your product in this argument. The only way for you guys to win is not to play the game. Your PR has been shocking and you have played your part in that failure by coming on GAF and trying to win an unwinnable argument about specs and power. This is not HD DVD vs Blu-ray on AVS and videophiles who are easy to manipulate. This is GAF and gamers, we are technical by nature and continually dangling the "more information to come" rubbish to try and obfuscate is very transparent.

I don't put my corporate hat on and go and defend banks or financial companies in finance threads. If you want to be a member of GAF then we will all welcome you, but please don't come on here just to post corporate PR and defend your product or attack the competition. People will (and have) call you out continually on it.
 
Primedoughnut said:
Sorry to hijack this topic, but it seems Marcus Beer (annoyed Gamer) is claiming via sources the PS4 is prone to overheating...and this is why no retail units are available for reviewers etc..

anybody else heard this?
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Marcus claims a lot of things. Most of it FUD lately.
 
Amir0x said:
did you know guys that if you punch yourself in the eye enough times you lose stereo vision and depth perception so that to you all games will look the same?
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haha, Actually I don't have Sterovision and I can tell you Resolution is still very discernible :-)

3D games don't work though. Well technically I suppose normal games are about as 3D as Real Life.

I know you weren't serious
 
Question here... Not trying to backseat mod at all, I'm just curious.

If Penello's posts (or any other gaming company representative or employee) end up being flat out miss-information (looks like it so far) that could've turned undecided future buyers into buying an Xbox One without knowing the system wouldn't perform like they were led to believe, is that grounds for a ban?
 
Piggus said:
That definitely says more about Microsoft than it does about Tim Dog imo. >_<

Even the most hardcore fanboys are questioning their mighty lord's design choices.
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I agree, a lot of people (as well as the media) are finally starting to wake up to Microsoft's bullshit.
 
Ricky_R said:
Question here... Not trying to backseat mod at all, I'm just curious.

If Penello's posts (or any other gaming company representative or employee) end up being flat out miss-information (looks like it so far) that could've turned undecided future buyers into buying an Xbox One without knowing the system wouldn't perform like they were led to believe, is that grounds for a ban?
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It's probably being looked at now if not soon. Kagari certainly wasn't impressed with how things have turned out.
 
Biker19 said:
I agree, a lot of people (as well as the media) are finally starting to wake up to Microsoft's bullshit.
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I wish. The media, for some inexplicable reason, has decided to downplay, gloss over, or just plain stick their head in the sand concerning all the faults with the system.
 
Primedoughnut said:
Sorry to hijack this topic, but it seems Marcus Beer (annoyed Gamer) is claiming via sources the PS4 is prone to overheating...and this is why no retail units are available for reviewers etc..

anybody else heard this?
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The PS4 demo units are retail hardware. They simply have dev firmware loaded.
 
Ricky_R said:
Question here... Not trying to backseat mod at all, I'm just curious.

If Penello's posts (or any other gaming company representative or employee) end up being flat out miss-information (looks like it so far) that could've turned undecided future buyers into buying an Xbox One without knowing the system wouldn't perform like they were led to believe, is that grounds for a ban?
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They have spread enough misinformation and spin, IMO. They would be more useful to the gaming community if they actually told the truth instead of pandering to fanboys. They have a lot of egg on their face so they don't come into these discussions any longer. I think its fine if they post here - lots of industry peeps do - but sometimes shit needs to be checked.
 
madmackem said:
If they were prone to overheating we would have heard by now, hes click baiting.
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No. ALL negative PS4 information is true, dammit. You can just take RUMORS as FACT in this debate. PS4 is done. They have the WORST developers in the world and the most unbalanced hardware ever. Cerny said it - it's not round on purpose. It looks like a fucking pencil eraser. You can't fit tech into a device that's leaning - that just means its less space inside for power gadgetry. PS4 overheating are killing hundreds of dev units. Why do you think Naughty Dog got so many? Because they get replaced often, that's why. I'll take this rumor as fact and everyone should read the writing on the wall.
 
I think I found his source.

http://gamingbolt.com/major-nelson-...encing-don-mattrick-and-how-ps4-isnt-a-threat

It also looks at the PS4 as “Xbox 360 version 2&#8243; due to the lack of social and multi-tasking features. The company doesn’t even see Sony as a threat. Even better, it believes that the PS4&#8242;s graphics RAM will run hotter, besides not being as optimized as the Xbox One. Thus leading to both being evenly matched or, believe it or not, the Xbox One performing ahead.
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Maybe the reason MS didn't put DDR5 in their console was because of overheating issues and believe Sony couldn't either?
 
Dragon said:
No, just no. They didn't put GDDR5 because they chose a different path.
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No. DDR3 is better than GDDR5. The lower the number the lower the heat. There's even an extra letter there which indicates it needs more stuff so it will give off more heat.
 
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