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[disastermouse]

I've said this before on NeoGAF, but I think the big question is, why does that resolution difference exist? If the answer is "because the Xbox can't hit that," that's a huge concern. If the answer is that Infinity Ward got their devtools late, then that's significantly less of a concern. I'm not going to tell you not to care about resolution differences, but I'm much more interested in the big picture. I have no plans to buy either console at launch, anyway. (When people ask me what system they should buy this fall, I tell them 3DS.)

Ok. Then investigate WHY the tools were late or are under-developed. And then explain how Xbox One can overcome the barriers while also acknowledging that the PS4 dev tools and strategies will also improve, or at least ask the Devs why THEY think that instead of just accepting their word on it without further inquiry. The devs have a vested interest in blaming the tools that shouldn't go unquestioned, IMHO.

 

[Vice]

sports media is in a different realm than consumer entertainment media. the sports media, espn and the like, are not there to present a product for you to buy. you don't take their opinions and use them to buy products. they are presenting opinions for you to consume. they are selling themselves.

TMZ is selling stories, again not products. TMZ report on the celebs and what is going on with them. People that view their site and take in there opinions are not being swayed to buy products based on their opinions.

THe gaming media is in a different place than either TMZ or the sports media. the gaming media's opinions are about products and those opinions are ment to help inform people and help them with purchasing decisions.

Sports, film and music are their to influence purchase decisions as well.

The constant LeBron hype, constant Yankees news, covers of the "hottest" celebrities near the release of a film, best albums of the year and so on all influence the purchase and viewing habits of people. Whether intentionally done or not those mediums influence the view people have toward people or movies/albums/teams and that in turn influences buying decisions.

Film, music and games do it bluntly with reviews while other in media driven journalism it's subtle, and likely unintentional most of the time.

 

[Kosma]

I've said this before on NeoGAF, but I think the big question is, why does that resolution difference exist? If the answer is "because the Xbox can't hit that," that's a huge concern. If the answer is that Infinity Ward got their devtools late, then that's significantly less of a concern. I'm not going to tell you not to care about resolution differences, but I'm much more interested in the big picture. I have no plans to buy either console at launch, anyway. (When people ask me what system they should buy this fall, I tell them 3DS.)

Ehm are you serious? Maybe it has something to do with the huge gulf in power between the systems?

Nah it cant be that right? It must be the devtools... #teamxbox

Youre either a conspiracy theorist looking for the least likely explanation as long it fits his worldview, a paid off journalist or just a plain bad one.

 

[benny_a]

Ok. Then investigate WHY the tools were late or are under-developed. And then explain how Xbox One can overcome the barriers while also acknowledging that the PS4 dev tools and strategies will also improve, or at least ask the Devs why THEY think that instead of just accepting their word on it without further inquiry. The devs have a vested interest in blaming the tools that shouldn't go unquestioned, IMHO.

He has said like 20 times that is what he is currently doing. He can't just snip his fingers and it's produced.

I agree that if a developer says they don't think there will be a noticeable difference they should expand on it, because people that know their shit on here like Durante are saying there is a difference in the console specs.

And I know for a fact that there are quite a few enthusiast press members that used DSFix so it's not like he is a random dude.

 

[DragonSworne]

When Wii U launch games performed worse than the Ps3 and Xbox 360 counterparts, few if any of the gaming press ran to the Wii U side and proped up article after article downplaying the results and tried to come up with explanation after explanation on why we should not pass judgement right away, or that in the end games are what mattered, or that developers are still getting used to the tool kits, etc.

Journalist were disappointed in the system, expressed their disappointment, wrote the system off and looked to the other next gen systems.

Why is it not the same for Xbox One? Why does the gaming press have more worry and concern over Xbox One performing well than they were with Nintendo and the Wii U?

There is clearly a superior system available that demostrates all their need and wants, except the manaufactor name.

 

[Jomjom]

sports media is in a different realm than consumer entertainment media. the sports media, espn and the like, are not there to present a product for you to buy. you don't take their opinions and use them to buy products. they are presenting opinions for you to consume. they are selling themselves.

TMZ is selling stories, again not products. TMZ report on the celebs and what is going on with them. People that view their site and take in there opinions are not being swayed to buy products based on their opinions.

THe gaming media is in a different place than either TMZ or the sports media. the gaming media's opinions are about products and those opinions are ment to help inform people and help them with purchasing decisions.

This.

A closer comparison would be Consumer Reports reviewing cars. In our case it would be like them saying the Camry got a half star less than the accord on safety ratings but hey don't worry most people won't notice a difference when they get in an accident.

 

[mrklaw]

Can we stop pissing on kotaku for a little while? Maybe they aren't perfect, but precious few sites are. And they are clearly trying way more than other sites to actually report news that is relevant for our hobby. I hope this is just because jschreier is putting his head above the parapet and some of us have itchy trigger fingers, rather than any specific issue with kotaku.

 

[NoirVisage]

Ehm are you serious? Maybe it has something to do with the huge gulf in power between the systems?

Nah it cant be that right? It must be the devtools... #teamxbox

Youre either..oh noooooooo! *Edit*.

Watch out, that got someone else banned..disagree with him all you like, but respect him, he's in the lions den here facing us head on, he has a right to that respect.

 

[Y2Kev]

All bad news brings hits. People are not more interested in bad PS4 news than they are in bad Xbox One news. Sorry to burst your bubble. (It may amuse you to know that we are constantly accused of being anti-Microsoft.)

As for the power differences... I am interested in finding the truth, not participating in console wars. I don't want to jump to conclusions prematurely. Pretty much everyone acknowledges that the PS4 is more powerful, but some developers both Stephen and I have spoken to believe that the power differences won't be all that significant long-term. I won't get further into this here (because I'm still in the process of reporting this stuff), but not everyone thinks that the PS4's power advantages will lead to significantly better-looking games.

It's tempting to get sucked into the "Sony's making a console for gamers and Microsoft isn't" narrative, and maybe it's true! My job is still to avoid being reactionary. Making conclusions about the next five years in gaming because of a few launch games would be irresponsible.

Now this I know you don't believe. There are diminishing returns to bad news. Like, if after the DRM outrage, Microsoft's PR, the Xbone being weak, and so on and so forth, you posted an article about how Xbone is made 100% out of rare earth minerals stolen from warring African tribes, people would be like Mehfart.

Look at the PS4 MP3 thing. People were posting outrageous things like, "What a string of bad news for Sony! You can't change the background picture and now there is no MP3 playing!" There are diminishing returns.

 

[NervousXtian]

I do. Boom

Well, my kids are playing Kinect Sports right now. Other than Minecraft, my daughters favorite games to play are Kinect based.

And with that any legs you had to stand on turned to sand. I'm going to say flat out you don't know your audience, because whatever bubble you think I'm living in, they're within that same bubble.

Semi unrelated, and maybe a bit of useless trivia..some people have an inherent bias toward calling bs when someone refers to potentially important information as merely "stuff", that's such a nebulous way to refer to something,and is usually used when that something may not exist.

Wait, did you just say that everyone shares your same opinion?

I'm pretty sure if the site is doing fine, then you don't understand their audience. Can't please everyone.

First off - I WANT the Xbone to be better so I can buy it without feeling like a patsy. I want to experience Project Spark and see what all the excitement is about Titanfall. I'd feel better about it if the actual problems were being accurately reported and those problems would put accurate marketing pressure to bear on the price and features of the Xbox One - and this pressure can only come to bear with accurate reporting.

Why isn't Wii U reporting (the reporting - not the system) receiving the same hate? Because the flaws of the Wii U are openly reported! I will likely buy a Wii U soon knowing what the trade-offs are because with accurate reporting I feel armed with actual facts instead of spin.

Really, if you don't think the info isn't out there about the superior innards of the PS4 compared to Xbone then you're just pretending to be naive to further your argument.

It's been a known fact since both specs were announced.

 

[jschreier]

Ehm are you serious? Maybe it has something to do with the huge gulf in power between the systems?

Nah it cant be that right? It must be the devtools... #teamxbox

Youre either a conspiracy theorist looking for the least likely explanation as long it fits his worldview, a paid off journalist or just a plain bad one.

This post leaves me speechless for many reasons, not the least of which being that basically all I play for fun is Japanese games.

 

[disastermouse]

Well, my kids are playing Kinect Sports right now. Other than Minecraft, my daughters favorite games to play are Kinect based.




Wait, did you just say that everyone shares your same opinion?

I'm pretty sure if the site is doing fine, then you don't understand their audience. Can't please everyone.



Really, if you don't think the info isn't out there about the superior innards of the PS4 compared to Xbone then you're just pretending to be naive to further your argument.

It's been a known fact since both specs were announced.

Yes, but price and features aren't being pressured down by accurate reporting of the significance of these differences because the gaming press is giving them such a huge pass.

 

[Kosma]

When Wii U launch games performed worse than the Ps3 and Xbox 360 counterparts, few if any of the gaming press ran to the Wii U side and proped up article after article downplaying the results and tried to come up with explanation after explanation on why we should not pass judgement right away, or that in the end games are what mattered, or that developers are still getting used to the tool kits, etc.

Journalist were disappointed in the system, expressed their disappointment, wrote the system off and looked to the other next gen systems.

Why is it not the same for Xbox One? Why does the gaming press have more worry and concern over Xbox One performing well than they were with Nintendo and the Wii U?

There is clearly a superior system available that demostrates all their need and wants, except the manaufactor name.

Very legit question, Nintendo probably doesnt do enough behind the scenes in PR etc.

 

[Kosma]

This post leaves me speechless for many reasons, not the least of which being that basically all I play for fun is Japanese games.

What you do for fun and what you do to get paid are two different things, thats how it is for many people though.

 

[Glass Shark]

who is joshrholloway again?

I'm just this guy, you know?

P.S. The post I mentioned earlier is still coming. I'm working on it right now. The more I look into this, the more surprised I am.

 

[Jomjom]

I wonder... are there many sites out there that spend much time or resources investigating why there are performance differences when they do benchmarks between say a Radeon 7790 and a 7850?

 

[NoirVisage]

Wait, did you just say that everyone shares your same opinion?

I'm pretty sure if the site is doing fine, then you don't understand their audience. Can't please everyone.



Really, if you don't think the info isn't out there about the superior innards of the PS4 compared to Xbone then you're just pretending to be naive to further your argument.

It's been a known fact since both specs were announced.

No. What do you think he means when he says I'm living in a bubble?

And you just showed you don't understand the argument being made, because no journalist has flat out put it like you did, there's always a no big deal, or wait and see caveat to balance out any advantage.

 

[1.21Gigawatts]

Gametrailers pumping out some FUD about Ps4:
Top 5 Reasons We're Scared of PS4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnlhTeKZ_1A

Growing Concerns for the PlayStation 4
http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/wa01vf/annoyed-gamer-growing-concerns-for-the-playstation-4

Oh, well... and not a single video about resolutiongate.

 

[NathanMcMahon]

Ehm are you serious? Maybe it has something to do with the huge gulf in power between the systems?

Nah it cant be that right? It must be the devtools... #teamxbox

Youre either a conspiracy theorist looking for the least likely explanation as long it fits his worldview, a paid off journalist or just a plain bad one.

classy

 

[Slashlen]

Gametrailers pumping out some FUD about Ps4:
Top 5 Reasons We're Scared of PS4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnlhTeKZ_1A

Growing Concerns for the PlayStation 4
http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/wa01vf/annoyed-gamer-growing-concerns-for-the-playstation-4

Oh, well... and not a single video about resolutiongate.

I won't defend Beer's video, but there is a equivalent Xbone video for the first link. I think it was a Halloween thing.

http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/w4ofyl/gt-countdown-top-5-reasons-we-re-scared-of-xbox-one

 

[jayu26]

Now this I know you don't believe. There are diminishing returns to bad news. Like, if after the DRM outrage, Microsoft's PR, the Xbone being weak, and so on and so forth, you posted an article about how Xbone is made 100% out of rare earth minerals stolen from warring African tribes, people would be like Mehfart.

Look at the PS4 MP3 thing. People were posting outrageous things like, "What a string of bad news for Sony! You can't change the background picture and now there is no MP3 playing!" There are diminishing returns.

Listen to Y2Kev, jschreier.

I remember a month ago, when one of the EU Sony guys was taking about being more consumer friendly compare to MS, and most people here (rightly) pointed out Vita memory card situation. We are paying money for these things...nobody gets a pass.

 

[Tidus_Great]

MS is an American company and they give out ad money. It's easy to see why the biased western media favors them.

 

[Tripon]

Listen to Y2Kev, jschreier.

I remember a month ago, when one of the EU Sony guys was taking about being more consumer friendly compare to MS, and most people here (rightly) pointed out Vita memory card situation. We are paying money for these things...nobody gets a pass.

Or Nintendo taking away Swapnote, something the vast majority of 3DS users do not use. People had a field day with that one.

 

[redhot_]

Gametrailers pumping out some FUD about Ps4:
Top 5 Reasons We're Scared of PS4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnlhTeKZ_1A

Growing Concerns for the PlayStation 4
http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/wa01vf/annoyed-gamer-growing-concerns-for-the-playstation-4

Oh, well... and not a single video about resolutiongate.

Annnnnd this is why I only visit that site for the odd episode of Bonus Round now.

 

[Jabba]

Listen to Y2Kev, jschreier.

I remember a month ago, when one of the EU Sony guys was taking about being more consumer friendly compare to MS, and most people here (rightly) pointed out Vita memory card situation. We are paying money for these things...nobody gets a pass.

This is what is perplexing about the outside perception of GAF. IIRC in 2006 through 2008? Sony was literally destroyed consistently on a daily basis in tons of threads about PS3. Two jobs, Jack Trettons, "if you find a PS3 on the shelf I'll give you $1200 dollars for it. Giant enemy crabs, Rrriiiiidddggee Rrrrrraaaacceerrrrr. One of the longer running quips was, every year was the year of the PS3.

Sony never got a pass on GAF. Microsoft hasn't either. I'm not sure GAF gave anyone a pass.

 

[Y2Kev]

MS is an American company and they give out ad money. It's easy to see why the biased western media favors them.

It's not about money. It really isn't. That's paranoia.

It's about influence. It is about creating an environment where the enthusiast reviewers can be the MOST enthusiastic.

Once Microsoft has to pay, they have a scandal on their hands. But they don't have to. They can get people to do things for them without paying a cent.

Sony can too, of course. And they do. But they are no where near as good at it as the western publishers are...from what I can tell. Look at how bad Nintendo is at it. dragonsworne above is absolutely right that literally no outlet gave the Wii u the benefit of the doubt. Why do you think that was? Did Nintendo fail to make a payment or is it just that Nintendo has no influence to exert?

We had good discussions on this in the past with Shawn Elliot. Look for those threads. This outright paranoia about the media being bought off makes us look hysterical.

 

[Y2Kev]

Here is a question I thought about just vaguely: how many reviewers pay for the Xbox live gold account they primarily game on? Is this publicly disclosed?

 

[Slashlen]

Here is a question I thought about just vaguely: how many reviewers pay for the Xbox live gold account they primarily game on? Is this publicly disclosed?

I don't know the answer to that, but your question does remind me of the MS fanboy that was on the Bonus Round a few months back that had no idea that multiplayer was not free on the 360.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Here is a question I thought about just vaguely: how many reviewers pay for the Xbox live gold account they primarily game on? Is this publicly disclosed?

Lol this reminds me of the Alex Albrecht fiasco on Bonus Round where he didn't even realize you had to pay for Xbox Live Gold...

 

[FryHole]

It's not about money. It really isn't. That's paranoia.

It's about influence. It is about creating an environment where the enthusiast reviewers can be the MOST enthusiastic.

Once Microsoft has to pay, they have a scandal on their hands. But they don't have to. They can get people to do things for them without paying a cent.

Sony can too, of course. And they do. But they are no where near as good at it as the western publishers are...from what I can tell. Look at how bad Nintendo is at it. dragonsworne above is absolutely right that literally no outlet gave the Wii u the benefit of the doubt. Why do you think that was? Did Nintendo fail to make a payment or is it just that Nintendo has no influence to exert?

We had good discussions on this in the past with Shawn Elliot. Look for those threads. This outright paranoia about the media being bought off makes us look hysterical.

Puts me in mind of the Humbert Wolfe classic:

You cannot hope
to bribe or twist,
thank God! the
British journalist.
But, seeing what
the man will do
unbribed, there's
no occasion to.

 

[Freshmaker]

Ehm are you serious? Maybe it has something to do with the huge gulf in power between the systems?

Nah it cant be that right? It must be the devtools... #teamxbox

Youre either a conspiracy theorist looking for the least likely explanation as long it fits his worldview, a paid off journalist or just a plain bad one.

I'd like sports reporting like this.

Denver Broncos win 64-21

We talked with the opposing team, and they said they just need to fix their penalties. Therefore the game was pretty much a tie really. Both teams are good.

 

[frizby]

 

[DjRoomba]

I'm not super-worried. Your trust might be at an all-time low, but our traffic is at an all-time high, thanks to our continual news-breaking and in-depth reporting on everything from next-gen console details to the fall of LucasArts. It's a bummer that gamers seem so angry at my field, but I'm okay with continuing to do my job as best as I can do it. If people don't want to trust me because of absurd articles like this, or because they believe in the "us vs. them" narrative, then that's a real shame. But I hope most readers who care about these issues are intelligent enough to pay attention to individual writers instead of believing that the "games press" is some sort of unified blob of opinion.

I think the article made some not so absurd points linking to articles from respected websites of journalists clearly downplaying the resolution differences. Obviously that kind of journalism is motivated by some fear, if not directly from ad revenue, but in the protection of one of the industry's biggest players. That's undeniable. There should be truth in reporting, not reporting anti-consumerism truth then quickly defending why people should buy an xbox one anyway

 

[Mushroomer25]

I'd like sports reporting like this.

Denver Broncos win 64-21

We talked with the opposing team, and they said they just need to fix their penalties. Therefore the game was pretty much a tie really. Both teams are good.

Except in this scenario, the game hasn't been played yet. The sporting media can speculate that a certain team is better equipped to win, but they're not jumping to premature conclusions out of hype.

 

[Slashlen]

I kinda wish they had let him finish. Whenever I think about that clip, I keep asking myself what this guy thought he was paying(or not paying) for.

 

[Freshmaker]

Except in this scenario, the game hasn't been played yet. The sporting media can speculate that a certain team is better equipped to win, but they're not jumping to premature conclusions out of hype.

Will the team with their money dumped into offense with a star QB do better than the Cardinals? It's a mystery.

 

[Hanmik]

Gametrailers pumping out some FUD about Ps4:
Top 5 Reasons We're Scared of PS4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnlhTeKZ_1A

Growing Concerns for the PlayStation 4
http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/wa01vf/annoyed-gamer-growing-concerns-for-the-playstation-4

Oh, well... and not a single video about resolutiongate.

that video is great.. once you mute the sound.

 

[Y2Kev]

Wow, lol. So it would be hard for this individual to offer an unbiased perspective even if he felt he was making an effort to be unbiased. That is how subtle influence influence works.

I'm surprised he basically admitted to it though. "YOU SMART PEOPLE." Exactly!

 

[NoirVisage]

I don't know the answer to that, but your question does remind me of the MS fanboy that was on the Bonus Round a few months back that had no idea that multiplayer was not free on the 360.

Lol this reminds me of the Alex Albrecht fiasco on Bonus Round where he didn't even realize you had to pay for Xbox Live Gold...

Wow..amazing!

 

[funkystudent]

Here is a question I thought about just vaguely: how many reviewers pay for the Xbox live gold account they primarily game on? Is this publicly disclosed?

Wouldn't be shocked if they get that for free.

Still wouldn't be as crazy as something like a Stream Press Account but still kind of dodgy.


While we are talking about these kinds of things I always thought it was doggy games press had there own special fast replacement set up when RROD was a thing so they didn't have to wait how ever many weeks it was like normal people.

 

[baphomet]

Lol this reminds me of the Alex Albrecht fiasco on Bonus Round where he didn't even realize you had to pay for Xbox Live Gold...

Such a fucking embarrassment.

 

[Moneal]

Except in this scenario, the game hasn't been played yet. The sporting media can speculate that a certain team is better equipped to win, but they're not jumping to premature conclusions out of hype.

two words for you: The Cowboys.

every year its the same thing. cowboys predicted to do well and make a run at the super bowl. yea same thing happens every year. cowboys do well in first game and are crowned second coming of the 90s cowboys teams then they finish 8-8 and either don't make playoffs or lose badly in first round.

 

[Tripon]

two words for you: The Cowboys.

every year its the same thing. cowboys predicted to do well and make a run at the super bowl. yea same thing happens every year. cowboys do well in first game and are crowned second coming of the 90s cowboys teams then they finish 8-8 and either don't make playoffs or lose badly in first round.

The opposite of that are the Raiders. They could go 8-0 to start the season, and ESPN or Fox Sports will bet that they'll go 8-8 and not make the playoffs.

 

[Arttemis]

I kinda wish they had let him finish. Whenever I think about that clip, I keep asking myself what this guy thought he was paying(or not paying) for.

Wasn't he brought up to illustrate that he likely WASN'T/ISN'T paying for Gold, but having it provided by MS?

 

[Jabba]

two words for you: The Cowboys.

every year its the same thing. cowboys predicted to do well and make a run at the super bowl. yea same thing happens every year. cowboys do well in first game and are crowned second coming of the 90s cowboys teams then they finish 8-8 and either don't make playoffs or lose badly in first round.

My team but an Oh so accurate assessment of them.

 

[Trojita]

 

[bigboss370]

I bailed out of watching that entire bonus round because of him near the beginning, but hoooly shit I never knew this happened

 

[Kosma]

I'd like sports reporting like this.

Denver Broncos win 64-21

We talked with the opposing team, and they said they just need to fix their penalties. Therefore the game was pretty much a tie really. Both teams are good.

Why care about the score anyway? Both team fans had equal amounts of fun. Why would a few numbers change your fun day out?

 

[Slashlen]

Wasn't he brought up to illustrate that he likely WASN'T/ISN'T paying for Gold, but having it provided by MS?

Well, even if he doesn't pay, I'm just curious as to what he thought the purpose of Gold was. IIRC, earlier in the episode he said he had Gold from launch, so I don't think a lot of the secondary reasons for having it existed yet.

 

[werks]

Yes, a football team is a good analogy for a game console. The little pixie men inside the PS4 might have an off day and let the weaker console win....