Sword Of Doom
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The press should aknowledge the power gap regardless of price. It's so hypocritical for the ones who prefer to play on PC yet they say resolution doesn't matter.
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The press should aknowledge the power gap regardless of price. It's so hypocritical for the ones who prefer to play on PC yet they say resolution doesn't matter.
I doubt it. It's not really luck that Intel has gone from 45nm, 32nm, 22nm and soon to be on 14nm. It's not luck that we went from DDR to DDR3 and soon DDR4. These are more technological refinements then breakthroughs.
Manufactures know where they are going to go with technology. There can be delays and hiccups in the process. But Sony likely knew that 8gb GDDR5 was going to be possible by PS4 was to launch. That said, I expect quantities they would be able to supply at launch to be a little more up in the air. Just because you can use a new process doesn't always mean it's not without it's early problems.
Sword Of Doom
Member
That's interesting and it makes a lot of sense. It always gets to me when people say Sony got lucky. It's not really luck. They were smart and they are being rewarded for it.
Project Alice
Banned
I guess. Unless you count the cool Kinect 2.0 tech, the dedicated servers, and the brand new snap/multimedia capabilities, and a year of free XBOX Fitness. Also it has a better launch lineup.
If you're only in it for the hard resolution of the games, then you're right. PS4 is absolutely the better value.
Gold_Loot
Member
Meh, dedicated servers can be found on any console as long as developers are willing to give them to us.
As far as launch line ups, I'm more excited to play Resogun, Warframe, Contrast, and Killzone. So ya know, opinions and all that.
name one game that uses that cool kinect 2.0 tech, dedicated servers are not exclusive to MS, snap is ok(just not my cup of tea), as for fitness who will really use it, and the launch line up is totally subjective.
Sure. Resolution is the only advantage for PS4.
Nevermind that it's $100 cheaper, has more and better first party development, has cheaper online with tons of free games, looks better, hasn't tried to screw consumers over this year and doesn't come with Kinect.
Xbox APU is huge. 363 square mm, 5 billion transistors. For context, an intel haswell i7-4770k is only 177 square mm, the PS4 APU should be around 3.2bn transistors (assuming 7870 as the GPU baseline at 2.8bn, 20CUs with two disabled for yield, and the 8 core jaguar around 400m transistors)
One third of that is down to the ESRAM - 1.6bn transistors.
The Xbox APU will be expensive to make, that's for sure. PS4 chip will drop to smaller process nodes at the same speed as the Xbox, and will always be significantly cheaper to produce.
One third of that is down to the ESRAM - 1.6bn transistors.
The Xbox APU will be expensive to make, that's for sure. PS4 chip will drop to smaller process nodes at the same speed as the Xbox, and will always be significantly cheaper to produce.
Resolution is one manifestation of the power differential. Later on in the generation, if PC engines start to stress PS4, it could drop to 900p or 720p. Where does Xbox go then? Either sub 720p or drop detail levels.
Louis Cyphre
Banned
How much more powerful is the Wii U compared to the PS3 and XBox 360? It's not always about more power. The PS3 cost $200 more than the XBox 360 when it came out, was it 1/3rd more powerful? I didn't see it. Instead people absorbed the cost at the time because it offered bluray playback. The Wii U was $100 more than a PS3 when it debut, was it also almost 1/3 more powerful? Microsoft has already stated they will not sell the system without it. I think they will ride it out as long as they can and when they start falling behind on sales to that of the PS4 they will reduce the price and/or offer incentives like free game pack-ins. It's kind of ironic how so many say the PS3 sold better on average than the XBox 360 but look what it took on Sony's part to do so. They dropped the price faster and more often than the Wii or the XBox 360. Sony also lost a lot of money on the PS3 as well.
You're talking about loyalty from the fanboys that buy game consoles to Vista? That's a real stretch. Windows 7 is a huge success and Windows 8 fell flat. This pattern has happened many times over. Windows XP was before Vista. Why are you talking about Windows in the first place, it serves no purpose to the argument you're trying to make. Two things have gone against the XBox One so far. Actually make that three. One is the price and maybe those smug people didn't think it would be $500. Two is the policies MS wanted to do that had people fuming they later retracted on and are still trying to build trust back. Thirdly is the PS4. How many of those smug Xbros thought that PS4 would be $100 cheaper, more powerful and not have the PR totally favoring Sony this time around?
Anything can be botched. Look at the Wii U, look at the PS Vita, even the PS3 (which Sony managed to turn around, meanwhile some think MS can't with the XBox One?). Maybe the 3rd time rule will apply to the XBox One. The thing is we haven't even started yet and preorders have been solid for the XBox One as well. It has a lot more games than the Vita and Wii U had lined up for the first year too. Anything can happen but what I see is this swarm mentality that still persists trying to make damn sure the XBox One will never get its due. Like as if if it does become a success they won't be able to sleep at night.
Will repost. XB1 will basically be #2 while PS4 #3
just tested this image on my girlfriend and she said:
"there is a significant difference in the walls and particles, the rain and explosion. definitely noticeable"
i was up close to the screen and she was about 5 ft away. once i stood where she was the difference immediately became obvious.
The strength of either line up is subjective. It depends heavily on what you like to play.
I think it's a pretty sound statement that they both have typical launch line ups. Nothing on either would normally move consoles on it's own. Waiting for more software would be a safe move for anyone who isn't in it for just the new and shininess of it all.
Foghorn Leghorn
Unconfirmed Member
The funny thing is that most people only read headlines and maybe the first paragraph. How many people on GAF see the title form an opinion and post. The articles shouldn't do much damage at all, if anything probably help.
Foghorn Leghorn
Unconfirmed Member
Thought I was the only old one here
. Did you play games all day every day or just when you couldn't go outside due to weather or friends not being around?good questions
she chose #3, the 1080p version, and that quote was verbatim. she is about as casual as you get, and gives no fucks about the current discussion on gaf. so about as objective as you can get.
Kazuma Kiryu
Member
Sorry, but this comment is laughable.
HORRORSHØW
Member
I did the same with my gf and she called me a nerd.
1) Launch lineups don't matter in the grand scheme of things.
2) Kinect won't really matter either - MS themselves have largely been ignoring it lately.
3) Anyone can do dedicated servers.
4) PS4 is pushing more than just a resolution advantage from what we've seen so far. Effects, etc need to be considered as well.
Glorified G
Member
I would rather they develop on a 8 year old machine that already produces sub-hd and 720p games instead of charging $500 in 2013 for a new one.
AA option (SSAA) in my screens is off, but Metro Last Light uses some kinda proprietary post processing AA solution similar to FXAA called Analytical Anti-Aliasing. It's not a high quality AA solution.
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Chopper also looks blurry in the 720p upscaled
Louis Cyphre
Banned
Yes, let's ignore games like Forza 5 that are 1080p and 60fps and how other games like Battlefield 4 will support 64 players online running @60fps and instead focus entirely on the 720p resolution. It's 2005 all over again!
You do realize that Microsoft (or Turn 10) had to make a lot of sacrifices in order to get Forza 5 running in Native 1080p w/60 FPS, right?
TheRealTalker
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I am not sure if this was posted before (since it is 2 weeks old) but from what I get by this statement is that the PS4 version of Kingdom Hearts 3 will add extra effects, etc...
due to its extra ram....
Tetsuya Nomura
I wonder how big the difference of multi-platforms on the X1 and the PS4 versions would be as the years go on since a lot of devs have decided not to undermined the PS4 versions of their games
due to its extra ram....
Tetsuya Nomura
http://www.dualshockers.com/2013/10...-much-praises-high-ram-and-talks-dualshock-4/
I wonder how big the difference of multi-platforms on the X1 and the PS4 versions would be as the years go on since a lot of devs have decided not to undermined the PS4 versions of their games
Louis Cyphre
Banned
The car models have improved, the physics have as well. Why are you leaving a question without going into details? You also ignored how BF 4 is running at 60fps and can now handle 64 players.
Project Alice
Banned
The games are subjective, you're right. I guess I'm not that big into SHMUPs, but Resogun does look cool.
It's not just for games. It's for the overall experience. Voice commands. Visual profile recognition, XBOX Fitness, Kinect Sport, Just Dance, Zumba. Not for everyone, but like we said above, these things are subjective.
Sure. Resolution is the only advantage for PS4.
Nevermind that it's $100 cheaper, has more and better first party development, has cheaper online with tons of free games, looks better, hasn't tried to screw consumers over this year and doesn't come with Kinect.
It is absolutely cheaper, you're right. As far as development and all of that, for my tastes I'll take a Halo, Forza and Titanfall over Killzone and Infamous. Thanks for including "this year" by the way. Got a chuckle out of that.
I hear you. We will have to see. Maybe we get the XBOX 32X? LOL. Who knows.
I agree with you. Although I think this launch lineup is actually much stronger than what we normally get for launches.
Thanks for your feedback. Next time take the time to elaborate. It's an opinion.
I agree Kagari that launch lineups don't matter in the grand scheme of things. Though I would like to counter that in the grand scheme of things many here will own both consoles.
We'll see about the future growth potential for these consoles. I do agree that the PS4 is more powerful. But it's not like XBOX360 vs. Wii out there.
I didn't mean to ruffle everyone's feathers. It was an observation of the XBOX One value proposition. Nothing more. I'm sure the PS4 will be a great machine.
Glorified G
Member
The poster was hypothetically stating he/she didn't care if next gen sub hd or 720p, and said I would rather play those games on current gen instead.
I wasn't speaking to the reality of the current lineup since no games are running sub hd.
Louis Cyphre
Banned
Good news, they can. BF4, COD Ghosts and Titanfall will all be available on current gen system. Even better news, right now you can buy the X360 holiday bundle with a 250gb hard drive for $200.
Glorified G
Member
I really didn't think it would be this hard, but I'll put here the post I was responding too.
OR and IF is the key words.
OR meaning any of those options would do. so IF next gen was just sub hd(suggesting this was the only option) that poster wouldn't care. I disagreed. Since IF (keyword there pay attention) next gen was just sub-hd and 720p there would obviously be games exclusive to that system alone and wouldn't be available elsewhere. The current lineup means nothing since that post was speaking in hypothetical terms.
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
You are not wrong trying to bring some balance to the arguments here but I hear Forza 5 being bandied about like it is some killer-app, technical tour-de-force for XB1.
Yes, the initial reveal trailer of the game looked very impressive, but it has now become clear that that was all smoke and mirrors again by MS as the final game (at least from the several recent videos I have seen) does not look anywhere close to the graphical fidelity offered in that 'gameplay' trailer shown off at the reveal and E3.
Granted, this is quite an unflattering track, but you can't tell me with a straight face this looks as good as the reveal trailer, and therefore it is looking increasingly likely the game isn't the silver bullet some are looking for that somehow demonstrates XB1's hidden processing power. It wouldn't be an overstatement to say the latest videos look like a cleaner, smoother Forza 4.
Judge for yourself:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maYgydivvSw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1wylArdU5o
JackAubrey
Member
It is the killer app for me. If I could only get one console I would get an XB1 for Forza.
This is actually pretty exciting for the lifetime cost of the PS4. The Cell is really holding back the ability of Sony to price drop the PS3 after so many years, but with such a 'basic' architecture we should see the PS4 drop in price much faster.
I wonder how much of a problem the 360's eDRAM has been for dropping the manufacturing cost of the 360 over time.
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
Yeah, absolutely. But for the wider gamer, sales suggest otherwise.
My biggest issue is not the game, it is the way a lot of people appear to have been deceived that it is a graphical tour de force by dishonest MS PR.
JackAubrey
Member
Well the Sebring video is very impressive indeed. Watch it next to the same track on FM4. There is a lot more detail. There is a lot more going on in FM5.
Sure you can't sell it purely on graphics. But this isn't a game that's just about graphics.
But perhaps the differences are much more apparent to those of us still playing FM4 rather than having a passing experience to the game. To me it looks gorgeous - despite most of my gaming (away from Forza) being on PC. Given what the game is doing under the hood I'm amazed it has such good visuals.
I also think it's great T10 has been releasing so much gameplay this week rather than replay videos.
I'm really looking forward to playing this game. If it didn't exist I doubt I'd be buying either console this year.
Forza 5 is the Xbox One's killer app imo. Especially with the tent pole multiplatform games looking considerably worse on the platform. However, I would say that in terms of ambition and next gen show casing, F5 is a far cry from Killzone Shadow Fall. In all honesty F5 is not much of a step up technically, gameplay or features wise. Shadow Fall in comparison seems like a much more ambitious and content rich endeavour. Open ended gameplay with huge levels, new OWL gameplay, massive step up technically/graphically, multiple ways to approach missions and levels, 10+ hour single player campaign (I'd be surprised if any of the other shooters come even close to that length), comprehensive multiplayer, free DLC maps etc etc.
Wow. Watched the 1080p feed and it really didn't look any better than, say, GT6. I think with racing games, a lot of people get dazzled by the reflections and car models which I don't think are nearly as computationally as expense as your average FPS.
TheRealTalker
Banned
both games would likely sell better on the PS then the XO
but seeing Japanese devs take advantage of the PS4 extra power may also become the case in the west as well
Do we have list of games that are console exclusives for each at launch? I want to see what games that would be available at launch on xb1 and not on ps4 and vise versa?
Has anyone discussed titled resources with dx11.2 yet?
http://www.ign.com/boards/threads/x...from-32mb-to-6gb-worth-of-textures.453263349/
http://www.ign.com/boards/threads/x...from-32mb-to-6gb-worth-of-textures.453263349/
Project Alice
Banned
I'm pretty sure there is one out there I recall seeing that listed every title available for both consoles at launch.
Here it is:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=706393&highlight=xbox+one+launch+lineup
Project Alice
Banned
For right now Tiled Resources are filed under the we'll believe it when we see it category. I don't doubt that it can be done, but until a title uses it to create something that would not be able to be done otherwise, it's a moot point.
viveks86
Member
I've found this to be a more exhaustive list. Filter by the continent to group all launch games together.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Xbox_One_games
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PS4_games
It's generally free of errors (except NFS, which is coming a few days after launch for NA).
