SmoothRunningGun
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It's not either or. The games in question have the exact same gameplay on both systems.
And we should demand both instead of settling for one or the other.
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Adam Sessler's: On Xbox One and PS4's Resolutiongate, and Day One Patches
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It's not either or. The games in question have the exact same gameplay on both systems.
And we should demand both instead of settling for one or the other.
And they mention that the PS3 version suffers from a worse frame rate. So...
plagiarize
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oh, okay. good point then.
I mean, the resolution increases we had with each new console generation were an important part of what allowed the new games to be designed. without the ability to add more detail, gameplay would be limited.
Imagine someone saying 'Imagine how good a SNES game could look if it was limited to NES resolutions!', or something similar for PS1 and Xbox. Imagine all the advanced AI you could put in!
It's bonkers.
Netherscourge
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TheRagnCajun
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As I've said before.
This guy has a talent for talking a lot without actually saying anything.
This guy has a talent for talking a lot without actually saying anything.
Well you have to remember we're all enthusiasts on this forum, and on many forums. As such we view things on a far higher technical level than the average guy in Bestbuy who just goes to find the game to work on his/her system.
That's what people aren't seeing. to the majority of gamers it's NOT going to be a huge deal, even if to those who care it is a big deal.
And ultimately like it's always been, the games are what matter, not the power. It's why Nintendo consistently makes generation defining games on "horrible hardware". Perhaps consoles should be like PCs, upgradable, it'd stop all this nonsense we're seeing now where people think entire industries are biased and evil, trying to hold down the poor Sony and downplay the weakness of MS consoles.
Yeah, most people here loved everything he had to say before, now he's suddenly always been hated cause he's not shitting all over the Xbox One with the rest of the internet.
All of this media conspiracy, MS shill, apologists crap is getting really old. It's obvious the PS4 is the stronger machine for less $ and that's what I'll be going with, but I'm not going to lose sleep at night because no websites care about a resolution difference of a couple third party launch cross gen games.
MikeXXIeaf
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He's gone downhill since then for sure.
Yeah, but running at 720p doesn't make gameplay better, you know.
I'll choose the games I'll buy based on gameplay, but I think it's completely fair to choose the system you'll buy based on its power, specially when it's cheaper.
And if we're talking about games, then at least when it comes to their launch titles, I think both suck.
So you can get nothing at 720p for $500 or nothing at 1080p for $400.
Or you can put like shit gameplay at 720p or shit gameplay at 1080p.
I'll agree that resolution and framerate alone won't make a game good (even though they might make a game better), but some people downplay the importance of those things as if lower resolution meant the game would have great gameplay automatically.
I'll agree that there is a connection between graphics and gameplay as in most devs who focus a lot on graphics won't develop very deep gameplay systems that will drive the whole game being its core, at the same time as someone like Platinum won't have budget left for jaw dropping visuals, but when it comes to multiplatform games performing and looking better in one platform, there's nothing to talk about, it's objectively superior, end of story.
What was his freebie? The game to review? You know that movie reviewers see movies for free right? Sometimes getting free trips to movie premieres to do so in exotic locales. Book reviewers get books for free etc etc. As for entertainment weekly being the IGN of the industry, no. You may not like their fluff pieces, but their reviewers are highly respected. Specifically Owen Gleiberman and Lisa Schwarzbaum(recently retired).
Nah.
Bruno
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Which is why I don't completely disown the guy. It's easy for us to to pound our chests on NeoGAF, we're not risking losing our jobs. I still feel like he could have handled it better without downplaying the power difference.
MikeXXIeaf
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Can you elaborate?
Sessler, let me preface this with the fact that I do heart thee/usually try to agree with everything you say.
But this, my friend, I can not endorse. There are growing concerns about multiplatform title parity and real issues concerning developers meeting the lowest baseline standard for the next generation of games. 1080p/60fps shouldn't be the end all be all for every game, but if one system can't achieve it (yet? Give it time perhaps?), it's definitely worth mentioning. This isn't a ResolutionGate controversy- it's the truth for the time being. Both systems are capable of displaying beautiful graphics- 720p, 900p, 1080p- what have you.The games that are exclusive on both systems look amazing.There are some glaring technical differences.
This is an issue and it doesn't help that members of most of the gaming media are downplaying it to the point where it makes you wonder. Does resolution matter to the unknowing parent buying a console for their kid at Christmas? Probably not. But when someone says "this one is $100 more and isn't as powerful," it just sounds funny.
But this, my friend, I can not endorse. There are growing concerns about multiplatform title parity and real issues concerning developers meeting the lowest baseline standard for the next generation of games. 1080p/60fps shouldn't be the end all be all for every game, but if one system can't achieve it (yet? Give it time perhaps?), it's definitely worth mentioning. This isn't a ResolutionGate controversy- it's the truth for the time being. Both systems are capable of displaying beautiful graphics- 720p, 900p, 1080p- what have you.The games that are exclusive on both systems look amazing.There are some glaring technical differences.
This is an issue and it doesn't help that members of most of the gaming media are downplaying it to the point where it makes you wonder. Does resolution matter to the unknowing parent buying a console for their kid at Christmas? Probably not. But when someone says "this one is $100 more and isn't as powerful," it just sounds funny.
BruiserBear
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I think both are important, and buying certain games on the PS4 means I'm getting the best of both worlds. I get to play COD: Ghosts in 1080p/60, and I get to experience the gameplay that I enjoy from that series.
Sessler's comments suggest we have some sort of choice to make, when in fact that's not true at all. I'm all about the gameplay first and foremost, but I'll also take the better looking version while I'm at it.
Chuck Norris
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People liked Sessler because he had a period where he was being brutally honest and everything he was saying resonated with gamers. Now he is displaying an inherent bias toward MS at worst, or at best he is fence sitting which nobody cares for either
ProfessorMoran
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If you have the SAME GAME with the SAME gameplay, you would pay $100 for shittier graphics? Because THAT is the question, not whether gameplay is more important than graphics, if anything with a more powerful console and awesome first-party development teams like ND you might have BETTER gameplay AND graphics.
Kazuma Kiryu
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Wait, that actually happened?
In the case of Sessler, on this particular issue, I think he is so afraid of looking partial, that he somehow loses his objectivity. Nobody is contesting the importance of gameplay, AI and physics, but those are different issues, albeit crucial, to the one forums and enthusiasts have been pointing to. His points are valid, but are beside the point, imo.
I love how games journalism has become more about appeasing the corporations rather than the gamer. We're in for some cringe-worthy stuff this generation.
You guys do realize how insane you all sound right?
Why is it not good enough to just enjoy your new shit? It needs to be made into some insane witch hunt where now respected people like Sessler are corporate shills.
Sorry we're all not insane people sitting their counting pixels.
Grow up.
Why is it not good enough to just enjoy your new shit? It needs to be made into some insane witch hunt where now respected people like Sessler are corporate shills.
Sorry we're all not insane people sitting their counting pixels.
Grow up.
Future PhaZe
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Don't care about 60fps. 720p barely qualifies as high def these days though.
Melchiah
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I think the answer is simple, they have vested interest in the subject, one way or another, whether it's monetary or just plain old partialism.
Teletraan1
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This guy pays for consoles with twitter tears. That is like 20s of work for a $400 device. How many hours does the average person have to work to buy a $400 console? These guys dont have to pay for any of this stuff. It is why I dont trust their opinion on anything that they dont deal with themselves. If you got free consoles, games, online service would you really care about the price of the console or the ability to sell your games to fund new games or worry about any sort of value proposition. Probably not. All of this really puts them out of touch with gamers that they should be the champions for.
I'm not even mad about the downplaying of power differences. More confused than anything. His audience knows about the power differences and what they mean. There's no real reason to address the topic at all. Gamers buying launch systems know this shit.
Glorified G
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When you've already predetermined your console of choice based on brand loyalty, sometimes there are mutually exclusive.
I'm getting so sick of dismissing the desire of gamers for new consoles to match the de facto resolution of current TVs on the market to be "fanboy" or silly nitpick arguments. That's childish in itself. It's been 8 years since the last consoles, and they still have to upscale to meet the resolution of most TVs. The is a noticeable quality difference. If he can't tell the difference then bless his heart. A lot of others easily do and want their games to look better and up to current technology. I won't bother watching his follow-up to further explain.
plagiarize
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the majority of people aren't going to be buying these consoles in the first year. who exactly do they think they're advising right now if not the enthusiasts?
and when the people that don't care about this stuff come later, if it's well known that games are better on PS4, and if more of their friends own PS4s (which, is probable, since more PS4s seem to be selling out of the gate), and if the PS4 is still cheaper...
then this stuff will have mattered. because we establish the first user base. the people who bought the 360 year one, and gave it the head start that helped sell their friends systems cared about things like HD and better graphics. that's why we bought the system year one.
we're the friends that already own systems.
See my other responses. I don't care about playing COD at 1080p. I care about playing KI, DR3, Titanfall and Halo. PS4 can't provide that for me.
ChawlieTheFair
pip pip cheerio you slags!
Doubt it, even if they do, the score difference will be probably be minuscule.
Dreams-Visions
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But he's right, though.
At the end of the day, I'd rather play a great game at 720p than a shit game that made the 1080p grade. It's the games that matter. 1080p/60 most certainly *enhances* the experience, but that's all they do: enhance what should already be a great experience. If an experience isn't great in the first place, no amount of pixels will make anyone want to play it more. This isn't to say higher resolutions aren't important, but it's the game itself that matters the most.
Coming out of a generation where Xbox fans and Sony fans alike took a shit all over Nintendo fans for 8 very long years for comments just like this, I have to say this brings the sweetest smile to my face. They've become what they hated for 8 years.
baxter2231
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Thats what i said, and its a no.
Respected people arnt necessarily respected people forever.
Im sorry I dont want to be mislead by shameless PR and buzzwords.
ProfessorMoran
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The problem is that in this particular instance he is actually losing his objectivity as well as missing the point, the point is one console is more powerful than the other, nothing more, nothing less, Sony won the power battle, the sooner Sessler acknowledges that, the sooner everyone will be able to move on.
Glass Shark
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I'm baffled by his argument. "The bar is too high, let's lower it." I'm starting to see this as a misguided effort to say something interesting and unique that is ultimately only leading to avoidance of a simple truth the PlayStation 4 is more powerful than the Xbox One.
I guess people just want to wantonly throw away $400-500 without making sure they are getting the absolute best product for their money. Those childish people!
Colonel Nasty
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Oh I understand, but this only seems like a big deal to the side not buying that system. As someone who's buying both systems I'm often in a lot of Xbox threads and It honestly does not seem like the resolution thing is a problem to most of them. It isn't to me. And in that sense Adam is right. What most people in this thread see is people buying a Xbox because Adam is not making a bigger deal out of it and that upsets them that people they don't even know will buy a system they are not.
ChawlieTheFair
pip pip cheerio you slags!
Yeah, isn't that what you were looking for?
plagiarize
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throwing more CPU cycles at AI and physics don't magically improve games either. it's an absurd argument.
How can you make the argument that you are being misled when you already know the power differences between the consoles and what they mean?
Wut? I loved my N64 and Mario 64 is still one of the greatest games I've ever played.
Man, you sound so above it all. I guess you're right, enthusiast press shouldn't be expected to inform people about things.
but again we aren't talking about two different games with different resolutions and framerates, we are talking about the same games with different resolutions and sometimes different framerates.
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