This x10.
Please, no journalist can explain away better looking games on a cheaper console.
Its not graphics vs gameplay, it's the SAME game performing better on a cheaper, more powerful system!
Adam Sessler's: On Xbox One and PS4's Resolutiongate, and Day One Patches
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This x10.
Please, no journalist can explain away better looking games on a cheaper console.
Its not graphics vs gameplay, it's the SAME game performing better on a cheaper, more powerful system!
The movie media doesn't have near the dependency that the games media does. The comparisons are not the same. The tech industry is a better comparison(and they also report much better as a whole).
You take that back. Damien Sandow is fucking glorious and you know it.
Sessler is John Laryngitis at best.
And that's perfectly fair, but has absolutely nothing to do with 1080p/60fps being a market gimmick or not being noticeable.
Personally I'm very interested in Quantum Break, D4, Lily Bergamo and Second Son, but the WiiU alone has W101, X and Bayo 2, so it's a much more interesting choice to me if I have to settle with one.
NoMoreTrolls
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Whatever you say, Admiral Asspain
Big Baybee
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It really is.
IHaveCandy
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What is this "It's about the gameplay" argument coming from? When you go to a theater to watch Gravity, would you not choose the theater that has better seats and screens with cheaper tickets? The multiplatform games will play the same on both from a mechanics standpoint. I hate when this gets brought up. Sessler likes to say this whole "resolutiongate" drama is muddying the message of next-gen. Well, arguing about "it's about the gameplay" muddies the message of performance.
Never thought about it that way. That is some funny shit. lol
Mushroomer25
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Launch games. Games that have the strictest imaginable deadline, and are having corners cut at every step to meet it. Simply enough, there's not enough evidence to say - without a doubt - that the PS4 will be significantly better in terms of visuals for the duration of this console generation. In a year? Then it's fair to make the comparison.
PaulKersey
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I really don't understand. THE GAME IS THE SAME, BUT ONE RUNS AT A HIGHER NATIVE RESOLUTION. I am very much a gameplay first, then story, THEN graphics. But the CHEAPER system is also MORE POWERFUL and can run MULTIPLATFORM games BETTER but yet it doesn't matter?
Your post made me think about something here: did you notice that a lot of people in this thread thought it wasn't about the same game performing differently on both platforms, but how it was about resolution vs. gameplay? Now, wouldn't you agree that this misconception could be carried over and Adam thought it was exactly about resolution vs. gameplay?
Krusenstern
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It's not insane for wanting to inform yourself about technical specs and find out what is the best bang for your bucks.
And guys like Sessler who are nothing more than corporate slaves don't do me a favour by taking apologetic stances and downplay straight facts.
That Halo bundle with gold chief helmets incoming
Kazuma Kiryu
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Shit, I didn't know the N64 came out 8 years ago.
NoirVisage
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Wait, WHAT? O__o
Because all of Sesslers opinions are on the console wars. Try harder.
1080p doesn't enhance the experience. In fact 1080p shoud be the norm.
If anything, 720p degrades the experience, whether you notice it or not.
scytherage
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One thing I could never understand about computer graphics, is why the resolution has to go up to get better graphics in GAMES.
I mean you can watch a CG movie like Cars or Toy story in a really old TV that's 320x240 by default, and it will look just as good as watching it in high definition. 'Just as good' in the sense that not seeing all the details won't bother you, you can still get immersed in enjoying that same TV show whether you see it in SD or HD.
Why can't game developers do the same? Why do they require us to upgrade all our home entertainment equipment just to play their games? Honestly it impedes the growth of the hobby. Because aside from buying the consoles themselves, you have to buy all this other shit just to enjoy playing video games.
So while yeah the PS4 wins because of sheer power, gamers still lose because we all have to be so rich just to even play. And it will be like this forever (when 4k TVs become commonplace, when 8k TVs replace them, it will never end, people.)
I mean you can watch a CG movie like Cars or Toy story in a really old TV that's 320x240 by default, and it will look just as good as watching it in high definition. 'Just as good' in the sense that not seeing all the details won't bother you, you can still get immersed in enjoying that same TV show whether you see it in SD or HD.
Why can't game developers do the same? Why do they require us to upgrade all our home entertainment equipment just to play their games? Honestly it impedes the growth of the hobby. Because aside from buying the consoles themselves, you have to buy all this other shit just to enjoy playing video games.
So while yeah the PS4 wins because of sheer power, gamers still lose because we all have to be so rich just to even play. And it will be like this forever (when 4k TVs become commonplace, when 8k TVs replace them, it will never end, people.)
TheRagnCajun
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720p isn't the end of the world. I can see people having a lot of fun with xbone.
However, I am tired of journalists pretending they can't see the difference, or spreading FUD about 'balance' and special upscalers. I'm also tired of them dismissing the issue with comments like 'gameplay is king' which is totally irrelevant in the context of comparing multiplatform games.
I don't know why so many journalists are having trouble calling a spade a spade.
They have the same dependencies. They both require advertising and access.
BruiserBear
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My summary of this video:
-So the XB1 can't achieve 1080p/60fps. This is all the publishers fault because they promised too much, and the XB1 can't achieve that. It's not fair they set their goals so high.
-Sony promised 1080p on the PS3, and it was a big disappointment they couldn't hit it very often. Now 7 years later people are upset the XB1 can't hit 1080p, and that's not fair. Can't we all just like games?
-Let's all just wait and see what exclusives are coming next year, because right now it's not fair people are so excited about the PS4, even though it has no games.
-So the XB1 can't achieve 1080p/60fps. This is all the publishers fault because they promised too much, and the XB1 can't achieve that. It's not fair they set their goals so high.
-Sony promised 1080p on the PS3, and it was a big disappointment they couldn't hit it very often. Now 7 years later people are upset the XB1 can't hit 1080p, and that's not fair. Can't we all just like games?
-Let's all just wait and see what exclusives are coming next year, because right now it's not fair people are so excited about the PS4, even though it has no games.
I'm not buying a PS4 at launch. I don't even have a TV capable of displaying at 1080p. The difference between 720p and 1080p is completely irrelevant to my enjoyment of games right now. The only thing that's insane here is professional journalists completely glossing over a well defined difference in power (and consequently value) in these two upcoming consoles.
Attacking GAF is not going to lead to any real discussion. Bring something to the table or an opinion to share as to why everyone sounds insane. This post is just going to get a bunch of meme/gif responses.
Yep. Giant hypocrite.
ReturnOfTheRAT
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That's evident in this video. The resolutiongate isn't primarily about comparing 1080p Forza vs. 900p Battlefield 4. It's about comparing 900p Battlefield vs. 720p Battlefield 4. Or 1080p Ghosts vs. 720p Ghosts. Nobody is discussing gameplay innovation or anything along those lines at this time. That discussion can come later. It's the graphical difference and the cost that goes along with each box. It's 2013. Your're paying anywhere from 400 to 500 dollars for these things. When the more expensive device is performing worse on the same exact games, the stance to take is whoopity-do, no big deal? This is the balance in reporting that has been missing for the past 7 years?
But it does relate with the 1080p discussion. Some folks think ps4 is the console to get just because of the resolution disparity between consoles. I say that shouldn't be an issue if you care about the exclusives on your console of choice. If your a fan of ps4s exclusives then you have the added bonus of playing certain multiplats at 1080p. If you like x1s exclusives than I doubt you'll care about what resolution COD runs at.
Being real here, is there a particular reason that Adam has become a bit, well, unequal of his treatment of the PS4 over the past several months?
How long ago was it that he mentioned the price difference between the two consoles wasn't that big of a gap because PS+ is required for online, but failed to mention that you have to pay for gold? Or his opinion on the DRM fiasco? And this, IQ is marketing speak by Sony? I mean, why is it a bad thing to just bluntly say "the PS4 is more powerful, has better looking versions of the same games, and is cheaper." Like, that's the truth. It's not even debatable.
I'm not saying Sony doesn't deserve criticism for some things, but he doesn't actually seem to point those things out.
How long ago was it that he mentioned the price difference between the two consoles wasn't that big of a gap because PS+ is required for online, but failed to mention that you have to pay for gold? Or his opinion on the DRM fiasco? And this, IQ is marketing speak by Sony? I mean, why is it a bad thing to just bluntly say "the PS4 is more powerful, has better looking versions of the same games, and is cheaper." Like, that's the truth. It's not even debatable.
I'm not saying Sony doesn't deserve criticism for some things, but he doesn't actually seem to point those things out.
DragonSworne
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Thank you good sir
Mushroomer25
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It's assumed that somebody watching a video for Adam Sessler's opinions would already know the obvious.
? Nah. I'm looking for reviews that docked ps3 over 360 simply because of graphics. Nothing else. First guy said it was graphics alone. Frame rate directly affects gameplay. Or can, I should say.
This is just a side issue I'm having with people getting worked up. Like, yeah it's bullshit that Sesslar and others seem to be downplaying it all, but I don't buy the argument that most, if any multiplatform games were docked on ps3's side simply because of something like inferior resolution. I mean, maybe a couple here and there...that I have yet to see, but that hardly makes a case for the majority being in on it.
I normally like Sessler's videos but this was just bad, He says how people were surprised how at the beginning of last gen people were surprised that many games didn't hit 1080p, but somehow now it's how to still not hit that mark, even though its 7-8 years later?
1080p should be a standard
1080p should be a standard
I was obviously referring (in jest) to the 60 fps, that would not be obvious in stop motion animation.60 fps makes platformers better. as does HD and widescreen resolutions.
I don't remember people bemoaning Nintendo for greatly increasing the resolution with all stars.
how would this not be better in HD?
I suppose when Wallace and Gromit: Curse of the Wererabbit came out, you were all up in arms about it not being in SD anymore. Clay animation is absolutely something where the charm of it, are the imperfections, and HD makes the fingerprints, etc, look clearer.
Oof, lots of hate in here. I feel like he was on to something when he talked about marketing's focus on resolution numbers. Average Joe isn't gonna give a shit about 1080, or 900, or 720 or whatever the hell it might be. I think the point he was trying to make is if it looks good, it looks good. I don't know.
Not near the same degree, plus the movie media industry could survive without early reviews, and the movie media does not depend on the movie industry advertisements near to the same degree as the game industry. In the movie industry you can have adds of near any product, with the game industry they are limited(by themselves or by the consumer) to video game related adverts.
Again, the tech industry is the better example and, on average, the better media by a lot.
I'm not saying COD is not better on PS4 it is. Is COD unplayable on the other systems. No, it will play fine. All that matters is the exclusive games. PS3 had the worse multiplatform games, and I would say was the better system because it had the better exclusive games. I could care less if every Xbone game was 720p if they released amazing games every month. I mean have you seen Titan Fall.
It should be, but it isn't.
Krusenstern
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I really don't understand. THE GAME IS THE SAME, BUT ONE RUNS AT A HIGHER NATIVE RESOLUTION. I am very much a gameplay first, then story, THEN graphics. But the CHEAPER system is also MORE POWERFUL and can run MULTIPLATFORM games BETTER but yet it doesn't matter?
Xbox One: $500
PS4: $400
Microsoft's benevolence: Priceless
NoirVisage
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Because the economy is in an inverse of a depression (impression?) And everyone can afford BOTH consoles!
MikeXXIeaf
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No, it's because he actually fell off since G4.
He's not profound anymore. This video is just a translation of whats been going on the past few days. Nothing he said resonated or brought a new light to the discussion. If we're going to line your pockets by coming to your videos and sitting through your ads, then we expect strong content in return. Not tip-toeing around issues and saying what your corporate overlords tell you!
That last part was a joke but you get the point.
Man-is-Obsolete
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Dear Gaming Media,
We get it, it is about the games. Games on both systems will look great. Our point is if one of the two is running every game better and at a higher resolution then tell us that is the case, and stop telling us the difference is minimal. Just report the facts and get out of the way. Stop interjecting opinions in every piece, or attempt to marginalize everything and call everyone fanboys for caring. If Call of Duty is 720p on Xbox One and 1080p on PS4, report just that, we don't need an opinion from you to know what that means. The backlash would be far less if members of the gaming media would just stop acting like we are all crazed fanboys fighting a console war, and just report the facts.
If AC4 has a higher resolution and runs better on the PS4 than the Xbox One, then just tell us that is the case and leave it be.
We get it, it is about the games. Games on both systems will look great. Our point is if one of the two is running every game better and at a higher resolution then tell us that is the case, and stop telling us the difference is minimal. Just report the facts and get out of the way. Stop interjecting opinions in every piece, or attempt to marginalize everything and call everyone fanboys for caring. If Call of Duty is 720p on Xbox One and 1080p on PS4, report just that, we don't need an opinion from you to know what that means. The backlash would be far less if members of the gaming media would just stop acting like we are all crazed fanboys fighting a console war, and just report the facts.
If AC4 has a higher resolution and runs better on the PS4 than the Xbox One, then just tell us that is the case and leave it be.
I think that only proves he doesn't care much about the technical aspects if he has fun playing the game. I've always cared about them, but I think it's great if someone doesn't, because they can have fun with something that maybe I couldn't.
Dude, its like watching Microsoft fans & Media Co develop their own bubble right before our very own eyes, where science and data no longer matter, nor does everything that the ps3 was killed for last gen.
I hope its worth it to get in bed with a $100 dollar more console, with a small, north american audience. Its damn interesting to watch them tell everyone 1080p AND second to none visuals isn't important anymore.. because 7 years..
LeeRoyBrown
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Begun, the console wars have.
Did he say that resolution is not asthetics....
aes·thet·ic or es·thet·ic (s-thtk)
adj.
1. Relating to the philosophy or theories of aesthetics.
2. Of or concerning the appreciation of beauty or good taste: the aesthetic faculties.
3. Characterized by a heightened sensitivity to beauty.
4. Artistic: The play was an aesthetic success.
5. Informal Conforming to accepted notions of good taste.
Uggh, anyway. I felt he was talking shit this entire time.
Begun, the console wars have.
Did he say that resolution is not asthetics....
aes·thet·ic or es·thet·ic (s-thtk)
adj.
1. Relating to the philosophy or theories of aesthetics.
2. Of or concerning the appreciation of beauty or good taste: the aesthetic faculties.
3. Characterized by a heightened sensitivity to beauty.
4. Artistic: The play was an aesthetic success.
5. Informal Conforming to accepted notions of good taste.
Uggh, anyway. I felt he was talking shit this entire time.
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