Adam Sessler's: On Xbox One and PS4's Resolutiongate, and Day One Patches

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Honestly the funniest thing about this whole situation is that the sony fanboys seem more upset than the xbox fanboys because the xbox fanboys aren't upset enough. The internet is hilarious.

If everyone really cared about resolution that much the 360 and PS3 would have bombed horribly and everyone would be gaming on PCs.
 
Zombie James said:
Has Giantbomb said anything besides that webcam show with Patrick and Navarro?
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why they didn't run a news story on Cod720

As someone that owns a TV that only goes up to 1080i, I actually don’t really care about 1080p. But there’s a middle ground here, right? Some folks are acting like the sky is falling because of the 720p/1080p split, which is disingenuous because it’s launch time and we’re so quick to forget the problems PS3 games had at the start, too. Most developers I’ve talked to said this won’t continue to be a problem in the future. (Real talk: games are not going to be 60fps/1080p this generation. Want that? Get a PC.)

The dismissive nature from some writers probably stems from exhaustion at watching people tear each other apart over these machines. Every day, it’s a new thing. Every day, it’s another forum thread. I’ll be nice when these machines just came out, so we could actually have something to argue about.
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Along with Brad saying (on gaf) that the average person won't care. The average person doesn't visit gaming websites though, so I dunno where he's going with that.
 
I cannot stand Sessler and will not click on any videos/reviews of him to give him just one more click.

I entrust my opinion with many of the opinions already stated in this thread.

Especially since his last fucking drama queen breakdown on twitter not too long ago.
 
peterb0y said:
Quantity over quality is the metric? and you're not really going to an objective source.

Im getting a PS4, but I think the Bone has a slightly better lineup at launch. I don't like racers tho.
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what do you mean about objective source? it wasn't tweeted originally by yosp, someone tweeted it to him

I for one haven't been able to find anything the list is lacking and both sides have quality

edit: will agree that at launch the Xbox One has better retail released exclusives (I'd give PSN the nod over the XBLA stuff though) but that won't last very long with PS4 getting Infamous and MLB '14 The Show early next year while the only thing I'm aware of the Xbox One getting is Titanfall
 
Tripon said:
So, after I watched today's Sessler's Something, I thought the whole argument was odd, since I remember Adam Sessler's pretty much arguing that his expectation were always 1080p/60 for these two new consoles, and that they needed to something more.

So I looked up the video from his panel he did last June for this year's Screw Attack Gaming Convention, and well....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55mJl_zKAu0

Certainly, Adam Sessler has always said that games needs to innovate and show us(the consumers and the press) what a next gen concept is, but he certainly expected both the XBox One, and PS4 to be 1080p/60.

So now that we have confirmation that one system is clearly having issues with it, what changed in Sessler's expectations?
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Detective GAF.

FYI, He says it around 1:40, his quote is "these systems better be 60FPS at 1080p"
 
travisbickle said:
------- < here's the bar set for next gen tech wise.

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Sony


MS


See, Sony is closer to the bar. Well done Sony. Come on reviewers give Sony a clap for getting closer to the bar, it's not that difficult.
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I keep hearing this all the time, that both consoles are underpowered. I'm sorry, but the PS4 is being sold for a loss, so the power/value ratio is quite good. I don't know what some people expect, these companies are not charities. They're not going to give you 600 dollars worth of tech for 400. I've heard that the XB1 is being sold slightly above BOM, but the extra cost is coming from the Kinect. Whether you think the Kinect is worth the extra price is purely subjective.
 
2n2 said:
That's perfectly reasonable. As is disappointment the One can't pull off 1080p well now. Not everyone bashing the One's current state wanted it to be trounced by the PS4. I would have loved the same parity as this gen where it came down to way more subjective preferences.

I do think it's interesting how many people are going with the One because all of their friends are. I'm curious what these friends think about the difference.
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My friends aren't the only reason, that's just icing on the cake . Obviously many factors come into play when deciding on a new console, but on the priority list (all other things considered) I'd chose the console with the lower chance of reaching 1080p consistently if it means I get to have some awesome gaming experiences with my friends for the next several years.
 
Dr. Kitty Muffins said:
Exactly. They are writing off our point entirely and that is a mistake. We matter. We're not fanboys for caring about this. We would hold the same position on resolution if the consoles were swtiched.
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They can't understand the argument that the cheaper PS4 is doing something the XBONE should be doing, because these people live in a bubble and have no idea how to relate to the cost of gaming. Their entire gaming diet is provided to them free of charge.
It's like in reviews where they give the game a 9/10 for a 5 hour campaign, that's great value for money for them coz they ain't paying $60 and it means they can move onto something else.
These guys live in a different world from us.
 
Mushroomer25 said:
So you're the definitive opinion on gaming journalism here, because you've already come to the conclusion that it's rigged - without a shred of evidence? And by intentionally ignoring it?
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Reading the rash of threads over the last month, I'd say I reached the proper conclusion 5 years ago.

You don't need to be a rocket scientist to see where things are trending, and things were trending the wrong direction for a while. Hell, the sheer number of 1-UP staffers that started taking industry jobs was all I needed to see.

I'm not the definitive opinion on gaming journalism, but I'm not in favor of one machine nor the other. I'm just stating my opinion from a position of neutrality. I suppose anyone that's continued to read the gaming media's shlock, thinking it's actual journalism would have a hard time understanding this. There is good journalism. Usually from people who actually study journalism, for one. Your average, run-of-the-mill gaming site is nothing but glorified forumites spewing prettied-up versions of the same crap you can read here. They don't have any special training we don't. They don't have any wealth of knowledge we don't. They're not immune to the biases we are. PEACE.
 
In the end I think the resolution apologetics is going to hurt the XBO more than help it. Blaming game companies for lack of hardware performance is always laughable, whether it is the old "lazy developer" canard or this strange new twist that it is a failure of their marketing departments even though the other machine is largely able to perform to their standard. Also, none of this matters. Never forget that resolution is no longer an applicable metric to game discussion as of a few months ago and primarily in the US marketplace as described by a substantial swath of the games media. Hard-working developers love getting that kind of respect.
 
How non surprising is it to see that video get commended by Nelson. Even if indirect him commenting on it probably wouldn't have happened if the video lambasted the Xbone. Kind of like how other videos have and he doesn't note anything positive about them. But why would he, he works for MSFT. It's not his job to make the console look bad.

Oh well, good thing informed people still exist to make sure people are aware of things for good or bad.
 
joshrholloway said:
Except that's not what he's saying in the video. He is suggesting that 1080p/60fps is not a worthy goal and that somehow we've set the bar too high.
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Have you seen his video with Total Biscuit? At one point, he said that TB should talk about the PC stuff since it's not his area. Now, I'm saying that because it did surprise me that he didn't care much about the technical aspects of PC gaming since he reviewed some games on it. And I think that just proves he's just interested in the game design part, not that he's pushing for MS side or something.

I just watched the video again and he said that resolution doesn't interfere with aesthetics, which we know it does. To me, Adam seems like the guy you would want to hear his opinion about the game design aspects but not so much on the tech side, you know? It's not about a conspiracy, in my opinion, it's about he simply not caring much about the tech/performance part if he has fun with the gameplay part.
 
not sure whats the hate. its just sessler rambling about stuff as usual.

And it is all about the games no?

Otherwise why not cancel your next gen consoles and get 4 780 ti 12 gb's?

I guess it would make a better argument if there were anything of note at launch that isn't about graphics + boring gameplay.
 
Valnen said:
Read the actual tweet, it has nothing to do with the actual argument in the video.
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Has Major ever referred to Adam Sesslers videos before? Just seems like too much of a coincedence. How do you think Major found this video? Most likely this very thread.
 
Tripon said:
So, after I watched today's Sessler's Something, I thought the whole argument was odd, since I remember Adam Sessler's pretty much arguing that his expectation were always 1080p/60 for these two new consoles, and that they needed to something more.

So I looked up the video from his panel he did last June for this year's Screw Attack Gaming Convention, and well....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55mJl_zKAu0

Certainly, Adam Sessler has always said that games needs to innovate and show us(the consumers and the press) what a next gen concept is, but he certainly expected both the XBox One, and PS4 to be 1080p/60.

So now that we have confirmation that one system is clearly having issues with it, what changed in Sessler's expectations?
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"We're buying these new consoles, they'd better be running at 60fps at 1080p."

Boom.
 
joshrholloway said:
Except that's not what he's saying in the video. He is suggesting that 1080p/60fps is not a worthy goal and that somehow we've set the bar too high.
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Please read:

Quadraphonic said:
HAHAH

1:42 - "We're buying these new consoles! They better be running 60 frames a second at 1080p! No one is able to articulate some new thing we can do with game design. We're seeing it come out out, a little bit, believe it or not, of EA and Ubisoft."

Apparently 4 months ago it was totally fine to want 1080p. In fact, it was such a blatant assumption, that it wasn't even worthy of discussion. We shouldn't be caring about that since it should be standard.

Now he's saying it shouldn't be standard because ONE of the TWO doesn't meet that standard that he assumed 4 months ago. Hah.
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Tobor said:
I told my friends I'm buying a PS4 and if they want to play with me, that's where I'll be. All but two were switching already anyway, and the two stragglers will eventually fold and join in.

Even if none of my friends were jumping ship, I'd still stay with PS4. I refuse to over pay for a lesser experience from a company that would rather sell cable subscriptions than games.
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And that's a fine stance to take, but that's not something I felt was necessary for me to do. Not to necessarily shite on your opinion, but having great fun with my friends for years to come is more important to me than the difference between 720p and 1080p in certain games.
 
Kimawolf said:
But they did tell you that the PS4 version is superior. they did tell you that the PS4 is MORE POWERFUL. So is the issue then members of the press aren't screaming and proclaiming how amazingly more powerful the PS4 is than Xbone? That seems to be the issue. NO ONE has said Xbone is stronger than Ps4, quite the contrary. So what's the deal? Is it not "loud" enough perhaps?
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There's always a "But", every single time. Many times they don't even say the PS4 is more powerful, only that the PS4 seems to be further along, which is true but is hiding another truth in that it is in fact also more powerful. Many in the press still seem to think we should give it a year before we decide for sure if the PS4 is really that much more powerful than the Xbone, and some genuinely believe that in that time Xbone games will reach parity with PS4.

So yes they are saying the PS4 versions are better, but there is always a "but"

PS4 version is 1080p, and Xbone is 720p, but you won't care or see the difference.

PS4 version of the game is 1080p and Xbone is 720p, but we heard it was more because of an issue with dev tools on Xbone that will improve over time.

Resolution and performance on PS4 seems better right now, but only fanboys will care. It is all about the games, look at the Wii. The most powerful system never sells the most ( I swear to you I heard a person in the gaming media say this ).

I just find it weird that there is such a need to add extra commentary to try and downplay the story. It would be like if Apple announced a new iPad that had X, Y, and Z features that another tablet doesn't and the writer went on to say, but we don't think people will care about those features and it is really just about the apps. Why is the second part relevant?

I don't think people on GAF are being as emotionally invested in this as yourself and others think, I am certainly losing no sleep over this. We all just think the coverage has been odd and rather off putting. We all would have just preferred the facts, and not the "yeah, but...". We all would have just liked the "PS4 is $399, and the Xbone is $499" and not the "yeah, but if you add Playstation Plus the PS4 is now $450 and the price difference now is not as significant."
 
joshrholloway said:
Except that's not what he's saying in the video. He is suggesting that 1080p/60fps is not a worthy goal and that somehow we've set the bar too high.
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Which is ridiculous. Look at Killzone Shadow Fall. 1080p/60FPS in multiplayer.....and that's a launch game. We're still far from reaching diminishing returns with these consoles(PS4 at least). Resolution shouldn't have to be cut so soon when these consoles aren't even close to being maxed out.
 
Tripon said:
So, after I watched today's Sessler's Something, I thought the whole argument was odd, since I remember Adam Sessler's pretty much arguing that his expectation were always 1080p/60 for these two new consoles, and that they needed to something more.

So I looked up the video from his panel he did last June for this year's Screw Attack Gaming Convention, and well....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55mJl_zKAu0

Certainly, Adam Sessler has always said that games needs to innovate and show us(the consumers and the press) what a next gen concept is, but he certainly expected both the XBox One, and PS4 to be 1080p/60.

So now that we have confirmation that one system is clearly having issues with it, what changed in Sessler's expectations?
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He changed his opinion that's all.. once the xbone was confirmed 720p that is.
 
Somebody post Sessler's video from 4 months ago as a video response to Sessler video at present.
 
BruiserBear said:
FYI folks, Major Nelson just complimented Sessler on this exact video.
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It's the least he could do, considering the free pass Adam and the rest of the gaming media is giving Microsoft.

Must be nice to have that "get out of jail free" card every time you fuck up.
 
ThisWreckage said:
he whined that he wasn't given free things and threatened to leave the industry over it
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The thread I saw about that was just speculation, and was locked before any real info came around. What's the deal? Was it really just that he wasn't getting free stuff?

edit: saw some replies later on. Thread's moving fast for this hour!
 
Mushroomer25 said:
Are you serious right now? Review scores have reflected platform differences for years. It hasn't been the case recently (since both machines have been out-of-date, and usually experienced identical problems when compared to the PC) - but tons of games experienced it.
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This is beyond reviews, calling out the differences between console versions was the bread and butter of DF for a reason.. The gaming press made sure to remind everyone of the technical failings of a particular console that suffered at multiplats despite its untouchable exclusives..shoe switches foot..And suddenly rationality has been bestowed upon all.. sure dude.
 
Valnen said:
Yeah I'm feeling pretty vindicated.
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I'll give you that the context of the tweet was not as inflammatory as it was made to seem on here. But, what do you expect Nelson to do, publicly endorse the video and link to a channel he is not affiliated with?
 
Mushroomer25 said:
It says a lot about this thread when you realize how many people say this as the penultimate example for Sessler being an MS shill - without actually looking at the tweet itself.
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Just because some posters make blanket assumptions and take a post at face value doesn't remove Sessler from saying 1080p/60 doesn't matter now when 4 months ago he said that these consoles better be doing that.

Leondexter said:
The thread I saw about that was just speculation, and was locked before any real info came around. What's the deal? Was it really just that he wasn't getting free stuff?
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Read a page or two ago, lots of posts on it.
 
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