This is pretty sad.
Adam Sessler's: On Xbox One and PS4's Resolutiongate, and Day One Patches
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This is pretty sad.
Mushroomer25
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The issue is, those two questions don't have definitive answers right now. Nobody official has stepped forward and, without hiding behind a NeoGAF account - said the ONE is underpowered for x reason. When somebody does? Yeah, expect an IGN article or two. But until it results in a noticeable difference in gameplay (for titles that are not coming out of abnormal launch conditions) - nobody cares. It's a dead end story.
graywolf323
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Sessler wasn't talking about tax when he talked about the price difference not being as large, he was adding on the cost of PS+ and the camera to the $400 price tag and ignored that XBL Gold costs money
NoirVisage
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Who gave you those answers?
SenjutsuSage
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Very well said.
Mushroomer25
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The fuck are you talking about?
The quote that everyone in this thread has been citing, saying "Sessler expected 1080p just like the rest of us!" - was in the context that while graphics will be impressive, it's under-the-hood tweaks like AI & game design that will define the next generation.
one of them
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This is pretty hilarious.
I wonder how you guys would react if they suddenly changed CoD and BF4 to run in 1080p at 60fps by ticking down the graphic settings.
I wonder how you guys would react if they suddenly changed CoD and BF4 to run in 1080p at 60fps by ticking down the graphic settings.
Unity2012
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C'mon guys, aren't we taking this "X is better than Z" argument, a little bit too far, too early?
Do we know that the Xbox1 will never be capable of true 1080p? or that every single PS4 game will be native 1080p and as a result magnificent! just better?
We don't even have the consoles in our hands yet... and yes, while I appreciate the hardcore passionate opinions of our community, I feel we are moving into agressive linear territories here.
It's gaming we are talking about. we are caught up in this need to be right about our choices, and have forgotten to talk more about the games and the amazing potentials ahead of a new generation.
Do we know that the Xbox1 will never be capable of true 1080p? or that every single PS4 game will be native 1080p and as a result magnificent! just better?
We don't even have the consoles in our hands yet... and yes, while I appreciate the hardcore passionate opinions of our community, I feel we are moving into agressive linear territories here.
It's gaming we are talking about. we are caught up in this need to be right about our choices, and have forgotten to talk more about the games and the amazing potentials ahead of a new generation.
ChawlieTheFair
pip pip cheerio you slags!
What is even being discussed here anymore? I think both sides get what the other side is talking about, or least it seems that way.
NullPointer
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Call me crazy but I think there's a vast expanse of ground on the spectrum between "we all declare this generation belongs to Sony" and "Resolution and performance are not a big deal".
The reason ResolutionGate exists still, to this very day, is all of the talking heads in this industry flapping their gums about how it doesn't matter at all.
If anything, the original booster rocket fuel that launched this issue into orbit was all the denials from Microsoft and all the secrecy and rumors and embargo flavored winks and nudges and say no mores. But that fuel is pretty damn well spent, and MS has run out of distraction tools in their ninja loadout.
So whats driving it now? Denial and condescension.
Zombie James
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I didn't mean asking those questions specifically because, as you've said, we already know those answers (no thanks to the press, actually). I meant that instead of making videos trying to convince people that we shouldn't care because they only own a 720p TV or because their eyes can't tell the difference, they should be reporting the truth and, in pursuit of that truth, they should be asking hard questions from the people responsible. Remember this?
Not much has changed.
cripterion
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Yeah.
Guy gets called shill, assclown, coward, apologist clown, joke, etc... Sad to see peeps around here being so invested into this console war bullshit.
Not that agree with the guy...but c'mon, some of you are so damn emotional about all this.
Here is what people want:
Gaming journalists to admit that 1080p looks better than 720p, and that as a result of the PS4 being more powerful is more capable of providing those experiences and it has no fucking impact on the quality of gameplay so this isn't an either or problem.
I don't think anyone even cares about the press acknowledging that Sony has better first party studios, just stop trying to downplay the power differences between the consoles. The PS4 is more powerful, FACT. Spit it out and be done with the fence sitting.
Gaming journalists to admit that 1080p looks better than 720p, and that as a result of the PS4 being more powerful is more capable of providing those experiences and it has no fucking impact on the quality of gameplay so this isn't an either or problem.
I don't think anyone even cares about the press acknowledging that Sony has better first party studios, just stop trying to downplay the power differences between the consoles. The PS4 is more powerful, FACT. Spit it out and be done with the fence sitting.
JesseEwiak
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+1. For all the people who don't care about what IGN or Polygon says, they seem to sure as hell care a lot.
LeeRoyBrown
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Mushroomer25
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I think just about every media outlet has said this at this point. It's just covered in the reality that power ultimately means jack shit for hardware sales.
I don't really see the contradiction that your talking about.
If games aren't innovative, they better be Full HD. Are you saying that because they aren't Full HD that they can't not be innovative. And are you saying no games right now are innovative? Please explain further for me.
This will probably be my last post here, maybe?
The consoles aren't out yet. The full experiences of the consoles aren't out yet. The OS's aren't out yet. The online isn't up yet. These game reviews are not complete. None of them count for the way you actually play on the system. What if the PS4 OS is an absolute clusterfuck? You could toss away the resolution advantage and say " You need to play this on the XB1 ". Sessler is being really conservative right now, and just like MS back in May, it's his fault he's getting this hate, for not explaining his points all the way. The consoles aren't out yet. That's all there is to them. When the experiences of both can be compared at their current state, that's when we will get the definitive yes and no answers.
Nightfallfilms
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As much as I bet you would like MS to die its not going to happen anytime soon. Sony on the other hand better hope they start turning a profit off of the PS4 sooner rather than later.
This essentially. I'm so tired of the false dichotomy people produce between graphics and gameplay. Its possible to care about both. As Kev said, evolving tech is kind of the backbone of the games industry and keeps it moving forward.
HovaHovito
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He didnt directly compare the prices first of all and secondly he certainly did not include camera (that would be much more)
Notsureif
Okay, but this is about one journalist, (for lack of a better word, Sessler would be the first to admit he is not a journalist, and that its an incorrect term to use for most people in the video games industry), who has published an editorial that directly contradicted his own statements he made four months ago.
Sessler really should explain why his position and expectations changed. I'm not trying to change games media, I just want an explanation on what happened here.
Huh, I didn't come in here expecting logic and rational thought. A weird occurrence given the current state of things on here.
PsychoSoldier
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I can definitely understand the games over gameplay argument if the discussion was centered around an open-world game at a lower resolution vs a corridor game at a higher resolution.
This is about the same game, with the same AI routines, the same gameplay, the same feature set, literally the same everything except for the image quality so in no way does rolling out "it's about the gameplay guys" argument make one lick of sense in this context.
Many prominent members of the press have consistently pushed their "They're both pretty close" mantra from day one and instead of taking the new data available to them and considering it, they have obfuscated the facts, and when the facts are clear in terms of the power differences as this case seems to demonstrate, the power differences no longer matter---despite their attempts to paint them as close from day one.
When you can no longer obfuscate, deny.
This is about the same game, with the same AI routines, the same gameplay, the same feature set, literally the same everything except for the image quality so in no way does rolling out "it's about the gameplay guys" argument make one lick of sense in this context.
Many prominent members of the press have consistently pushed their "They're both pretty close" mantra from day one and instead of taking the new data available to them and considering it, they have obfuscated the facts, and when the facts are clear in terms of the power differences as this case seems to demonstrate, the power differences no longer matter---despite their attempts to paint them as close from day one.
When you can no longer obfuscate, deny.
Funchameleon
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Does everyone realise that Watergate was the location of the event and calling each and every minor scandal _______gate makes you sound like an idiot?
shinra-bansho
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I can't help but think there's some sort of attempted rationalisation of preferences going on with some of these internet personalities - I use the word personalities, because let's be frank, I wouldn't consider what they do to be journalism - in the same way I see people rationalising such on here. To avoid having to accept that "I like the Xbox One better, because it's an Xbox."
The platform they prefer is objectively weaker and more expensive, it will largely have the exact same games, just with poorer performance, the networked services are now essentially on par, and while both are charging a subscription, one provides greater incentive.
There's always been something to rationalise these preferences in the past, the original Xbox was more powerful, the 360 was cheaper and ran multiplatform titles better, Live had more features [and yes, it swings both ways, similar rationalisations are made for the PS platforms.]
So now, visual disparity doesn't matter, price doesn't matter.
I don't actually think there's anything wrong with having preferences - it's natural and human to do so - as long as you don't let them cloud your ability to reason.
On an aside: I've never really gotten how the whole "video game personality who makes videos" became a thing; why people bother following or listening to them in general, whether it's this, Giant Bomb, podcasts and so on. While there's exception, they generally don't seem any more intelligent, informed, witty or willing to engage in actual discussion than people I've encountered on gaf, often less so than many of them.
The platform they prefer is objectively weaker and more expensive, it will largely have the exact same games, just with poorer performance, the networked services are now essentially on par, and while both are charging a subscription, one provides greater incentive.
There's always been something to rationalise these preferences in the past, the original Xbox was more powerful, the 360 was cheaper and ran multiplatform titles better, Live had more features [and yes, it swings both ways, similar rationalisations are made for the PS platforms.]
So now, visual disparity doesn't matter, price doesn't matter.
I don't actually think there's anything wrong with having preferences - it's natural and human to do so - as long as you don't let them cloud your ability to reason.
On an aside: I've never really gotten how the whole "video game personality who makes videos" became a thing; why people bother following or listening to them in general, whether it's this, Giant Bomb, podcasts and so on. While there's exception, they generally don't seem any more intelligent, informed, witty or willing to engage in actual discussion than people I've encountered on gaf, often less so than many of them.
The point is most multiplatform games on the XB1 are running below 1080p, a feature that was promised in 2005 and expected to be the minimum for this gen, otherwise, why release a new console? 720p is the resolution of last gen, and right now, people can get multiplat games at 1080p for a $100 cheaper then the XB1. The cost of Kinect and TV features isn't worth the extra $100 in people's eyes and most gamers are disappointed in the fact that the more expensive console is the weaker spec wise of the two.
Also, if you can't tell the difference between 720p and 1080p and you work in the industry...you're either lying or full of shit.
Also, if you can't tell the difference between 720p and 1080p and you work in the industry...you're either lying or full of shit.
I see what you're getting at, but I would have to guess that adoption of both consoles by single owners will be low at the start of this gen.
But to you're point, of course the resolution difference should be noted, that's a giving check list point. But since the reviewer's job is to provide an opinion, if it's their opinion that the visual difference is not a factor to them, then that's part of the opinion.
For instance, gametrailers has a preview for the XB1 Battlefield 4 in which they same they were hard pressed to see any difference between it and the PS4 version. That's their take on the matter. For someone to step up and tell them they're wrong is ridiculous. That's what they see. Period.
But yeah, if anyone is worried that the resolution differences won't be noted in reviews, they shouldn't be. However, if the reviewer also states that the difference was negligible, then there's no need to shit fire their way.
Mugatu
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Do you realize how insane it would be if the movie or home electronics media said Bluray doesn't matter since it's not resolution but the movies and even now there are more movies on DVD than Bluray?
Of course if matters. Nobody is saying it is the most important thing or it is all that matters but both systems largely have the same games, if one system is able to outperform the other one over and over again and it costs less then how on Earth can any one say that they are the same? That it's a wash? That's just a flat out disingenuous.
Of course if matters. Nobody is saying it is the most important thing or it is all that matters but both systems largely have the same games, if one system is able to outperform the other one over and over again and it costs less then how on Earth can any one say that they are the same? That it's a wash? That's just a flat out disingenuous.
ChawlieTheFair
pip pip cheerio you slags!
I think this is what too many people are missing. In the grand scheme of things, whilst 720p is certainly a visually obvious drop in quality compared to 1080p, it really doesn't matter. If the game's good, the game's good, its just that the PS4 has the added benefit of a crisper image.
boredandlazy
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It's a play on words. The fact you seem to care so much says more about you than it does about the people you're complaining about.
TetraGenesis
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The difference might be more noticeable if they were at the same resolution due to one do the Xbox not being able to have the same effects, AA, shadows, and texture quality. This isn't just a numbers games, sorry. You can tell the difference if you play on a larger 1080P TV set.
ThisWreckage
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He is part of he gaming press. So yes, he is a journalist. He worked as a host on a popular gaming show where he reviewed games. So his job is to be objective and to report facts. I can't believe I'm having this conversation.
I guess the Nintendo Wii was more powerful than we thought since it plays every game at "up-res'd 1080p" on my LCD TV!
Notsureif what?
Mugatu
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That's an American tradition, every scandal is a -gate of some sort, not unique to gaming.
Mushroomer25
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I think it's closer to
Demanding all media outlets make a public statement that one console is objectively better because it is better at displaying graphics = You only care about graphics and are a fanboy.
Metroid-Squadron
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Excellent post. I agree completely.
weekend_warrior
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They usually pump up the "underdog" story. Make it so you want to root for the weaker team.
ive pretty much stopped following anything Sessler does.
the fact they turned off the view count for the show TotalBiscuit appeared on is just a joke.
they wanted to use him to boost their exposure, but not actually let everyone see the huge difference from their normal view count which every other video has and is noticeably lower than any of TB's daily stuff. and compared to TB's own podcast the fact they still had all the random guests on i felt was a disservice to him, but i bet Adam's ego wouldnt agree to be a guest on that show.(considering from the second he joined Rev3, every show had his name in the title, rather than simply something Rev3 related)
then he came out with that video about a week ago before his rant on twitter and whatever, saying "we shouldnt expect a review on the consoles cause a REAL review would be a few years down the line to see how things shape up, instead lets just review the games"
and now hes trying to do the exact opposite by trying to both not-criticize the games or say if one console is better.
the fact they turned off the view count for the show TotalBiscuit appeared on is just a joke.
they wanted to use him to boost their exposure, but not actually let everyone see the huge difference from their normal view count which every other video has and is noticeably lower than any of TB's daily stuff. and compared to TB's own podcast the fact they still had all the random guests on i felt was a disservice to him, but i bet Adam's ego wouldnt agree to be a guest on that show.(considering from the second he joined Rev3, every show had his name in the title, rather than simply something Rev3 related)
then he came out with that video about a week ago before his rant on twitter and whatever, saying "we shouldnt expect a review on the consoles cause a REAL review would be a few years down the line to see how things shape up, instead lets just review the games"
and now hes trying to do the exact opposite by trying to both not-criticize the games or say if one console is better.
You cant be serious?
HovaHovito
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Watergate is a reference to the scandal, the name has taken on a whole new meaning thanks to dick nixon, but yea i think the resolution gate thing is a tad too dramatic
Did you purposely ignore the part where i added tax to wii u and xbone?
Funchameleon
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Uh-oh looks like you've just started watergategate
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