Two times in the same thread? Just stop already.
Adam Sessler's: On Xbox One and PS4's Resolutiongate, and Day One Patches
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He said specifically how he's most excited about seeing how game design is impacted by the extra computing power. AI, animations, the more backbone parts of the game core have a lot more to work with. It was specifically picking a fight with pure resolution number, and saying that even at 720 or 900p there is still much more happening behind the scenes.
This is why it's completely dissimilar to the wii. Games were straight up neutered in comparison there, when it wasn't outright ignored.
It is nice to dream. At least you are dreaming big.
He had a rough E3 with very little sleep. His coverage showed his condition getting progressively worse as the show went on.
ArkkAngel007
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I don't mind that we disagree with the man's opinion and supposed SOP, but we don't need to be fucking rude about it. Dude was sick on top of being exhausted and with hardly a voice after all the interviews and pieces he conducted.
cripterion
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lol
Agree here. Thread will get closed.
NullPointer
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Oh they do get locked, and many threads on this topic have been.
But the best way to get variety on a topic is to actually bring up your point and support it, not sit off to the side and call this place an echo chamber. This isn't a point I'm making to you in particular btw.
DanteGhost
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Cool, but doesn't change the fact that there was a 500 dollar console available.
I still do not understand what point you are trying to make? There was also a $600 console, right? Did I miss something? Is there a $600 XBone available I should know about?
Funchameleon
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The idea of a minor celebrity in games journalism being strung out on coke at E3 of all places is pretty funny actually. Like he went to a back room with Gerstmann and Keighley and they did a few lines before heading out onto the floor. What's the problem exactly?
Implying that he's on something while on the clock, based on nothing, you don't see a problem?
Gaf 1: 'Why doth this happen?'
Gaf 2: 'Twas foretold by MK'
Gaf 1: 'But twas the most powerful of them all!'
Gaf 2: 'Sadly we did not realize: graphics don madder
'Because you have no proof and it's slanderous.
reynal1287
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I agree. This is going too far.
Funchameleon
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Yes because everyone is taking it really serious and it's going to cost this poor man his reputation. This industry doesn't take kindly to drugs, after all.
No, I don't see a problem.
Funchameleon
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It's fucking coke, not child sex tourism. Get over yourselves.
Agree.
We should be dissecting his opinions, not making fun of him on an unnecessary level.
something fishy
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Conversely it's amazing how many people who've people happy to stick with the lesser versions, never worried, never touched pc, now consider resolution to be the holy grail of gaming.
If course it shouldn't be downplayed but it was never that big a issue to now outside of pc gamers.
I just admit I just enjoy the games whether they be on wiiu , pc or in between. That won't change. This is just a factor in multi plats for me.
So that episode ends up .... well next we have a lot of xbox one games content and interview with phil spencer ....
I understand his point of saying its the games that matter. but dont gloss over the fact you're getting the same gameplay effects etc its a multiplatform games which clearly shows the ps4's advantage. He says one line about it.
Say ps4 is clearly much stronger ... if thats what you are worried about apart from exclusives, os , kinect, controller etc. then yeah ps4 is greater value for money and the console to choose. Otherwise just have fun with the games. Such a simple statement to make but the games press keeps constantly glossing over it.
I understand his point of saying its the games that matter. but dont gloss over the fact you're getting the same gameplay effects etc its a multiplatform games which clearly shows the ps4's advantage. He says one line about it.
Say ps4 is clearly much stronger ... if thats what you are worried about apart from exclusives, os , kinect, controller etc. then yeah ps4 is greater value for money and the console to choose. Otherwise just have fun with the games. Such a simple statement to make but the games press keeps constantly glossing over it.
The same poster came into the thread saying sessler is a coked up man child and then posted those 2 gifs. It's more that he's contributing nothing aside from drive by shit post insults.
I am going to agree a)addiction isn't humorous in the slightest I've been clean 6 yrs and now mentor addicts and b)I feel everyone here ought to be mature enough to rise above "ad hominum" attacks
This is pretty much what pisses me off to no end. The games media's job is to inform readers about the newest games and systems. Downplaying noticeable differences in two of the most hotly anticipated multiplatform releases of the year, with one of those releases (BF4) being billed as a graphical showpiece, doesn't serve my interest but serves the interest to another party. The games media is not informing me, they are spreading FUD and the only thing that hasn't been answered is to whose or what purpose.
NinjamicWZ
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Yes he did, and unbeknownst to himself, these viewpoints he's presenting are in direct opposition to each other. It's very shortsighted and out of touch with the issue. I see Adam get in over his head and out of his element a lot when he attempts to represent what he sees as the priority and shift the conversation back to his comfort zones, despite being a great personality with an impeccable skillset for presenting video coverage, and this is an instance of that imo. I saw the same thing happen when he was livestreaming with TotalBiscuit and was met with an informed breakdown of how destructive a closed ecosystem and unchallenged monopoly is to PC development and distribution. He's a fish out of water when he's talking about anything other that narrative, intent and emotion.
Eh, it seems a bit mean. Especially because it's kind of making fun of him while he was in a weak state.
PC master race has to acknowledge PC gaming is a different beast altogether. I love PC gaming for certain things . But sometimes I just like my consoles in my living room. I love playing uncharted surrounded by my friends in the living room. Or fifa 2 on 2 ... so people are concerned with how the consoles compare to each other. And when ive decided I dont want pc to be my primary platform, then the consoles matter. I don't get why people dont realize this.
Yes if I want the best experience of all graphics wise a high end pc is the way to go. But I know i want a console . So im obviously going to compare and contrast to other consoles.
gioGAF
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I really enjoy Adam Sessler's commentary on video games (reviews, previews, etc.), but he comes across as such a shill when it comes to this whole hardware thing. I don't think anyone is questioning that a game's top priority is to be fun/entertaining and that good graphics don't necessarily equal a good game. But I do think it is important for people to know that not only is the PS4 an objectively more powerful piece of hardware, it is also $100 cheaper.
One other thing I keep noticing on other forums is that many people say that the reason that xbone games are running at a lower resolution is because they have more effects and smoother frame rates than the competition. This is what the masses believe, and the so-called video game journalists refuse to clear this up.
One other thing I keep noticing on other forums is that many people say that the reason that xbone games are running at a lower resolution is because they have more effects and smoother frame rates than the competition. This is what the masses believe, and the so-called video game journalists refuse to clear this up.
Interesting language choice indeed. Uprezed 1080P > 1080P. It has both more Rez and more Up.
Personally, I don't see 1080P as a lofty goal. It should be standard this gen, and I'd rather developers drop effects to maintain 1:1 pixel mapping than upscaling.
Upscaling is faux resolution. Just like DVD players that advertised "upscaling", "upconverting" to 1080P. Doesn't make DVDs look like Blu-Ray.
peanutbutterlatte
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I get the impression this guy is meant to be cool from a lot of you, but man do I disagree with most everything he says.
something fishy
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Well of course. In that sense there are many factors and this will be a part.
I just end up with all in the end, can't help myself.
disastermouse
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Looking at the thread about PS4s being possibly back-ordered February 2014 - that 'Don't pre-order a PS4' advice seems particularly bad.
brain_stew
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But BF4 runs at a better frame rate on PS4 and a higher resolution makes it easier to spot enemies, so it has better gameplay because of its hardware advantage. When we start to see games that target the same resolution and graphics level then the difference in performance will be significant, which will have an irrefutable impact on gameplay.
If your argument is "gameplay over graphics" then this performance deficit is hugely important. This isn't about resolution alone.
If your argument is "gameplay over graphics" then this performance deficit is hugely important. This isn't about resolution alone.
A weaker console costs $100 more.
THAT is the big issue.
Resolution speaks to that difference in power.
Nope, not at all. Especially if you read between the lines when the 360 was the "hot" thing compared to the other platforms.
So much tinfoil. I just don't see things like that.
As a PS3 guy to be fair Sony's exclusives dominated but if it was a multiplat 360 was the definitive version.
disastermouse
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GAF gonna 'splode!
Not really.
Maybe...
cripterion
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Personally I get more value buying the Xbox one cause I don't hate the Kinect and I like having it included from the get go and I get 2 games included for free, one of which I highly intend to play throughout the year. I agree that 1080P is great and who wouldn't want more power? But even with all that, PS4 launch lineup is still lackluster imo, hence me not buying it at launch.
thesolidshark
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I was hoping it was this and not "cocain shivers"
laughed hard at that though
As for his opinion, gameplay does matter more, but if it's the same game on two different platforms, especially for people looking forward to said game AND a new system to buy it for (if they're not buying due to exclusives), it's good to know these things.
The video from 4 months ago with his expectation of both new consoles being 1080p/60fps does raise an eyebrow, and with that out there I hope he at least explains what or why he changed his tune if he truly did.
I might not go as far as to say people are being paid off by MS for better imaging, but I do believe MS does need damage control. I've never seen a gaming company need PR damage control like MS has this year. I'd be more likely to theorize that those that help out their imaging get special considerations, possibly things that make their jobs easier, whatever those might be.
All I can ask of the gaming press is they do their jobs and keep us informed for us to allow smart decisions be made based on as much factual info as possible. I'm not going to rely on them, but lots of people will.
BrokenSymmetry
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This can't be quoted enough. As mentioned by others, big parts of GAF have become unreadable because of this.
brain_stew
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You can't downplay the news about resolution and then argue that technology doesn't matter, it's an oxymoron. The difference in resolution is simply the quantifiable difference in technology between the two consoles. Throughout this generation that technological advantage will be used in a variety of different ways. The fact that both COD and BF have decided to use that extra performance to increase resolution is simply a smokescreen for the real issue at hand.
Even if you disregard the enemy spotting, we are talking about the same game. Why would the game with worse resolution and less graphical effects play better than the game with more effects and higher resolution? The argument makes no sense at all. We are comparing apples to apples, not apples to oranges. Would you rather have the nice beautiful apple or would you rather eat the bruised one?
Sinthor
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It IS odd. I don't remember them doing the same with the early PS3 multi-plats. In fact, they were pretty friggin' HARSH. Oh well. Now, if the XB1 versions also suffer noticeably in PERFORMANCE (apart from designed frame rate differences) I definitely expect the journalists to buck up and report on the subject fairly. We will see.
After re watching the video, I don't think it was as much a defense of the xb1 as much as it was a defense of both next gen systems. As time goes on, resolutions will drop. But game design will improve. And ultimately, that is more important. I would rather play bf4 with 64 players at 900p or even 720p than play with 24 players at 1080p.
lifeexpectancy
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People stuck with lesser versions because cost is an issue. The PS4 is basically a mid-tier gaming pc with some customized bits. You can't build a mid-level gaming PC with an OS, graphics card, motherboard, bluray drive, 8gb DDR5, etc for $400. You *might* be able to build one for $500, but the OS might be the sticking point.
People's problem is paying $100 more for the inferior hardware, not the resolution itself. If the XB1 was only $350 I doubt the outcry would be nearly as vehement.
Anuson.Phan
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I can't wait to see scores this gen. will they uphold the same standard or will they make excuses..
I will say that the "Not a big difference" sentiment isn't the worst thing for sony. I mean it's not a negative against them per say. But it isn't really being presented as a plus by alot of the press, so it seems it'll be pretty neutral effect, with some benefit to ms in terms of not getting a big negative mark.
At the worst least people might think "The ps4 is slightly better than the one, plus it's 100$ less. Though you have to factor in the kinect."
The ps4 seems to be getting a pretty good push in terms of preorders though, so it seems to be a bit in the lead at the moment.
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