Adam Sessler's: On Xbox One and PS4's Resolutiongate, and Day One Patches

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Yep, it's kind of ridiculous everyone is like THE GAMES COUNT now. Most games you play are multi-platform games and they will be better on PS4. And this is not a PS1/N64 difference, the consoles can be objectively compared.
 
OP completely pwned Sessler. I love him because he is up front, but he's all over the place, and I'm not sure where this whole "1080p / 60fps doesn't matter" rhetoric is coming from, it's really disappointing.

I admit, 720p + 30fps + more shaders would be better from the POV of the player, so pushing 1080p + 60fps could be misleading. But he did it. He literally said we need 1080p + 60fps.

Sony is just getting away with having a more powerful platform. If they want to make that argument, then oh well, Microsoft will just have to deal. No matter how you put it, you're going to always have higher resolution and more shaders on PS4. Even if by 2 pixels.
 
Jacobi said:
Yep, it's kind of ridiculous everyone is like THE GAMES COUNT now. Most games you play are multi-platform games and they will be better on PS4. And this is not a PS1/N64 difference, the consoles can be objectively compared.
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There was some serious back peddling when xbox one specs were out.
 
Vizzeh said:
Sessler is too much of an intelligent guy to not only back track on his own opinion/target on 1080p but to not realise its about value aswell, the overall system for gaming etc.. clearly his judgement is clouded..
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Clearly he is not intelligent enough to do his job properly. I would advise a change of career...or learning to enjoy being labeled biased or stupid or both.
 
hwy_61 said:
Thank you for perfectly articulating how I feel about a lot of posts on GAF during these stupid fucking times.
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If you think that is correct, apply what sessler says to camera's. Apply that to TVs. Apply that to cars. Apply that to everything and then you might just finally understand what's going on because I highly disagree.

This has nothing to do with "praising" the PS4 but stating the facts. You don't have to say the PS4 version is better because it's not your job to sell the system. It's your job to state facts.

If one TVs has better colors, calibration, etc, that's what should be stated against its competitors. Now defending the competition for its shortcomings is pathetic. If I'm buying the TV, I'm not buying it in hopes that I must now read a whole opinion piece on why LG, despite being expensive, is less capable than the Samsung. Then following up with picture quality shouldn't matter when I'm buying a TV because I want better quality.

A review is to guide you to the right decision by making what's more important to you front center as a pro vs con, not to push away from a platform by defending what is important but ultimately is being downplayed from another... It's disgusting.. And I can't believe it's happening in the gaming industry at all.
 
nib95 said:
What he said in the video.

Adam Sessler | June 29th 2013

"Do you want a star for doing your fucking job? Come on! We're buying these new consoles, they better be 1080p running at 60 frames per second!"
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EmptySpace said:
it doesn't. it's the gaming press who are saying, "they don't matter". they do. a game is the sum of its parts. both versions are the exact same experience so that's out of the gate in terms of comparison. now, there are graphical differences (bf4 having lower resolution and lacking global illumination system, plus running at a lower average framerate). that's where comparisons come in because that's where comparisons can be made. and why are comparisons being made? because these are both valued at $60 no matter what console.

it's the constant and massive downplaying of these differences that is such a copout. remember when all these "journalists" pointed out every damn difference the ps3 version of a multiplat had in their reviews? "the ps3 version looks washed out. the ps3 version had some hiccups. the ps3 version had less vibrant colours. you are better off playing the xbox 360 version if you want the best version out there outside the pc.


this takes the icing on the cake:
http://www.g4tv.com/videos/43049/mx-vs-atv-reflex-playstation-3-review/
"Get the lowdown on the PlayStation 3 version of MX vs. ATV Reflex in this review. Adam Sessler and Morgan Webb discuss the drawbacks of the PS3 version of MX vs. ATV Reflex and reveal the game's lower score."

360 version = 3/5 stars
ps3 version = 2/5 stars for being graphically inferior

or this:
http://www.giantbomb.com/reviews/bayonetta-review/1900-249/?review_id=249
Much of the potential of Bayonetta--potential that's realized on the Xbox 360--is lost to technical issues on the PS3.
(yes, that's the subtext of the review).

or what about this?
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/247305/red-dead-redemptions-sub-hd-ps3-display-analysis/
"Its resolution is 640 by 1152, compared to the Xbox 360's 720 by 1280 pixels. At first glance you might say that this is only a difference of "80 pixels," but in reality, when the missing area is calculated, the PS3 suffers an 184,320 pixel deficit - or 20 per cent lower than the Xbox 360 version. This rendering resolution is then upscaled by the PS3 to be displayed on your screen."

or how about this, arstechnica?
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2010/05/read-dead-redemption-360-vs-ps3-our-thoughts/
"This is non-scientific, but after playing an hour of both games, and switching back and forth between the two systems on our display, it's clear that the 360 version has quite the graphical advantage. It's sharper, with much less aliasing. The faces of the characters were clearer in the opening section. Gameplay sections likewise looked better, with smoother graphics across the board. The PlayStation 3 version looked impressive, but there was a noticeable jump in quality while playing on the 360.

Keep in mind that the game doesn't look bad on the PS3—not by any stretch—but based on our time with the game and direct comparisons, the 360 version looks better. If you purchase the PS3 version of the game you're not going to be let down, but if you have the choice, pick up a copy for the 360.

Here's another reason to buy the game for the Xbox 360: if you dislike playing with strangers, there are 16 Ars Technica members in the game's thread playing online with the 360 version, compared to three on the PS3. If you're going to be playing, sign up!"


hypocrites.
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Another post with some great finds. The hypocrisy is quite amusing.
 
wizzbang said:
It's a fucking terrible analogy unless the 2 different TV's also had different media for them which COULD NEVER be played on the competing television, or one might do PIP and the other doesn't or one has an awful remote control and the other is incredible. Maybe one of the TV's has a buzzing noise the other doesn't.

Sorry, that's not a good analogy at all.
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But it kinda does work. XB1 might me more valuable to some people, whilst PS4 will be to other's. But in pretty much every aspect it will be on a subjective base that comes down to personal preference. You can't mitigate for things like that. If you look at aspects that are quantifiable as simply better. One is a higher quality device and a cheaper price.

That's not to say that cheaper and more powerful device is the one you should choose. It just lays the objective facts on a plate for the reader, and they can then decide what to get based in other aspects that might interest them.
 
I Like Comics said:
PC versions of a lot of my favorite games have looked better for years, and I didn't give a shit then, so it's hard to give a shit if a different console looks good now. I care more about controllers, UIs, community, etc.
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And all those reasons are FINE. We're not saying "don't get an XB1 even if you love the controller and UI, hate the dualshock and the PS4 UI, and think Live is better".

We're saying "don't sweep the facts under the rug. State them plainly. Let INFORMED consumers make the rational decision on what's most important to THEM, NOT what's most important to YOU".

Even if a journalist doesn't PERSONALLY care about graphical fidelity, he/she is still obligated to be objective about it when it comes to multiplatform titles so that consumers have FACTS to base decisions on, not OPINIONS.

FFS why is this so hard for people, especially the media, to understand?
 
Darkwaknight said:
Over the years I have always read Previews and the like as simple Information on said game/Console etc, like a PR piece with extra Info if you will.

Then came the Review which was usually honest/cutting and warts and all showing of the said game/hardware. Hark back to the Ye-old printing gaming press of CVG/Mean Machines even Edge, and there were some honest and cutting info with no PR fluff in the middle.

Fast Forward to the last 9 months and the X1 specificity, and we have the worst/weakest most apologetic and defending Journalism (I use the Term Loosely) that I have ever had the misfortune to witness. And it has gotten to a state now that I do not Trust ANY review or article on anything Game related when within each line or paragraph we are treated to a Justification on why this is weak/does not work/costs more as if we are standing in a shop buying the item from a Salesperson, when did this shift happen??

Anyone into tech and lets say TV's for example, would read a review on the Latest Series 8 Samsung Vs the Latest LG, now if the Samsung had better blacks/brighter screen/ less blur/higher or clearer refresh rate etc etc than the LG but cost more then this would be in the summary. The Review would state the difference and facts as they are and then leave the price there to say "Yes the Samsung is Better but is it £x's better than the LG?" for example.

Now if you had the same situation but the LG had all the better features etc and was £x'x cheaper then the summary would be "Well the LG is better on all areas than the Samsung (see Non-justified tech piece above) and is Cheaper, the decision is a no brainer".

And this is the EXACT situation we have here on these new consoles, The Cheapest one is the Most powerful, with the most options and is undeniably the best piece of hardware Bang for Buck or simply Bang in total this is undeniable. But there is no integrity or loyalty to the consumer now, with comments like (who can really see, and only fanboys care), it really saddens me that one of my favourite hobbies my entire life has been ruined and reduced to sad people in positions that should know better lying or deceiving the public in this way. Anyone not techy or just plain not interested will be given duff info from these mainstream sources that are looking to underplay and down value the clear discrepancy, and this is simply plain wrong.

I do not buy into the theory that MS have gone MoneyHat mad, I can only assume there is a dire fear within the industry that is petrified of the death of Consoles(lack of MS advertising Budget etc) and so they are vainly (and naively) trying to keep the X1 alive with false hope and cherry aid.

Stop all the Gumf and tell us the facts and let us decide, 12 months ago it was 1080/60 or bust. One console is giving us that (by and large) and one appears to miss the board by a fair margin. Shifting goal posts now is sad and desperate and only comes across as the desperate acts of Shills or lier's (Neither of which are good in a consumer driven environment).

I only hope that once both are out and we have games on each that are compelling and different we return to some genuine Journalistic intent.....although my hopes are very dashed!! /rant off
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Good post as others have said.

It's kind of ironic that one of the biggest proponents of blatant obfuscation and damage control these past few months, with the horseshit 'balance' articles and whatnot, has been Richard Leadbetter who founded and ran the original Mean Machines. Richard and Julian (Jaz) were heroes of mine as a teenager, MM was my bible and I still consider Maximum to be the best gaming magazine ever. It's saddening how much Leadbetter has changed since then.
 
I still enjoy sessler's take on games, but now i'm always going to think about PS4/Xbone e3 stuff and all the FUD he spread. Even in that clip you're playing where he talks about 1080p/60fps being expected, in the beginning he says Sony's drm plans are pretty much the same as Microsoft's.
 
Hitchslap said:
Clearly he is not intelligent enough to do his job properly. I would advise a change of career...or learning to enjoy being labeled biased or stupid or both.
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The guy made one mistake and many here are already putting the final touches on his tombstone!
He is probably reading this thread trying to figure out how many of his former viewers now consider him to be lower than dirt.
 
EmptySpace said:
it doesn't. it's the gaming press who are saying, "they don't matter". they do. a game is the sum of its parts. both versions are the exact same experience so that's out of the gate in terms of comparison. now, there are graphical differences (bf4 having lower resolution and lacking global illumination system, plus running at a lower average framerate). that's where comparisons come in because that's where comparisons can be made. and why are comparisons being made? because these are both valued at $60 no matter what console.

it's the constant and massive downplaying of these differences that is such a copout. remember when all these "journalists" pointed out every damn difference the ps3 version of a multiplat had in their reviews? "the ps3 version looks washed out. the ps3 version had some hiccups. the ps3 version had less vibrant colours. you are better off playing the xbox 360 version if you want the best version out there outside the pc.


this takes the icing on the cake:
http://www.g4tv.com/videos/43049/mx-vs-atv-reflex-playstation-3-review/
"Get the lowdown on the PlayStation 3 version of MX vs. ATV Reflex in this review. Adam Sessler and Morgan Webb discuss the drawbacks of the PS3 version of MX vs. ATV Reflex and reveal the game's lower score."

360 version = 3/5 stars
ps3 version = 2/5 stars for being graphically inferior

or this:
http://www.giantbomb.com/reviews/bayonetta-review/1900-249/?review_id=249
Much of the potential of Bayonetta--potential that's realized on the Xbox 360--is lost to technical issues on the PS3.
(yes, that's the subtext of the review).

or what about this?
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/247305/red-dead-redemptions-sub-hd-ps3-display-analysis/
"Its resolution is 640 by 1152, compared to the Xbox 360's 720 by 1280 pixels. At first glance you might say that this is only a difference of "80 pixels," but in reality, when the missing area is calculated, the PS3 suffers an 184,320 pixel deficit - or 20 per cent lower than the Xbox 360 version. This rendering resolution is then upscaled by the PS3 to be displayed on your screen."

or how about this, arstechnica?
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2010/05/read-dead-redemption-360-vs-ps3-our-thoughts/
"This is non-scientific, but after playing an hour of both games, and switching back and forth between the two systems on our display, it's clear that the 360 version has quite the graphical advantage. It's sharper, with much less aliasing. The faces of the characters were clearer in the opening section. Gameplay sections likewise looked better, with smoother graphics across the board. The PlayStation 3 version looked impressive, but there was a noticeable jump in quality while playing on the 360.

Keep in mind that the game doesn't look bad on the PS3—not by any stretch—but based on our time with the game and direct comparisons, the 360 version looks better. If you purchase the PS3 version of the game you're not going to be let down, but if you have the choice, pick up a copy for the 360.

Here's another reason to buy the game for the Xbox 360: if you dislike playing with strangers, there are 16 Ars Technica members in the game's thread playing online with the 360 version, compared to three on the PS3. If you're going to be playing, sign up!"


hypocrites.
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Tsk.... And the games matter right? Hypocrits on the money.
 
poisonelf said:
This was needed.

It shouldn't have been because the bias, along with constant insults towards a huge percentage of gamers (pixel-counters, fanboys, internet mobs, how dare you care for a console's power now that we say it doesn't matter this time, etc), is so repetitive and in our faces.

At this point the FUD-spreading, the downplaying and pandering to MS, the double standard, the forced 'balanced reporting' of parity based on magical features, the damage control, the press picking up exact buzz-words and slogans as spread by MS, etc, etc, is so blatant and widespread, that it's becoming all the more difficult to understand where all those people who shout "lol conspiracy theories, nothing to see here" are coming from and what they mean.
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I can cherry pick quotes saying that nobody cares about the minor differences last generation, too. In fact my recollection from last generation was that the press thought the pixel counters were indeed pretty much weirdos and that nobody cared about the difference.

But I digress. The fact of the matter is, I do not think that there is some grand conspiracy, and since we have no review scores to compare as of yet, it is too early to suggest that there is a double standard with regards to review scores from this generation to next. Perhaps when the review scores are out we can better have that discussion.
 
Funchameleon said:
A bunch of idiots think that Adam Sessler playing down technical specs ("our games are 1080p check em out" "uh, no, show me something interesting") then months later continuing to play down technical specs ("720p is not a huge deal, other things matter much more") is somehow hypocrisy.
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Are you daft or intentionally obfuscating?

In one video he states that 1080p/60fps is the norm, that developers shouldn't expect any plaudits for doing what is the standard expectation for these new consoles.
In the other video he downplays this very same expectation. Back-tracking and moving the goal posts with 1080p no longer being the bare minimum expectation.

That's hypocrisy in a nut shell. Ironic that you should use the term "idiots"...
 
I'm conflicted guys, I don't think we should throw Sess under the buss completely. It's possible his view changed and he realized 1080p / 60fps was untenable. Even on PS4 we're not seeing that. He definitely put his foot in his mouth, but it's not deserving of undulating scorn.

Sess should admit he misstepped though. It's OK to be wrong about shit. It's not OK to go rabid fanboy and trash someone for being wrong, imo.
 
gofreak said:
Yes, his focus is on wanting something new on the game design side, but at the same time, clearly to him, back then, 1080p/60 was some given, a minimum we should be expecting from new systems, that technical advance like that for our $400 or $500 should be expected rather than congratulated. Not something to get super excited over, something to just expect.

Now that it's not happening, at least so much on one system, you'd think he'd be able all over it for the systems 'not doing their job'. But he's not.

Diminished expectations I guess.
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what i dont understand is this "excuse" that games should be about gameplay... but they are the same games with same gameplay. So why should you basically suggest to your viewer that it doesnt matter if one console pushes 125% more for $100 less.

Now if we were talking about exclusives, then it matters a lot less if Halo is 720p vs Killzone at 1080p, but we are talking about same games, same gameplay.
 
I think the best part to those 4 reviews are the stranger comment by ARS. If you dislike playing with one, pick a 360 version. Haha.
 
All I'm going to say is that Sony must've done something pretty horrendous to the gaming media for Sessler and Leadbetter to be so pro-MS.
 
Funchameleon said:
A bunch of idiots think that Adam Sessler playing down technical specs ("our games are 1080p check em out" "uh, no, show me something interesting") then months later continuing to play down technical specs ("720p is not a huge deal, other things matter much more") is somehow hypocrisy.
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The hypocrisy in Sessler insisting that 1080p is the bare minimum we should expect on the new consoles, and then just a few months acting like resolution is irrelevant is clear.

You also have to view this latest video in the context of his previous videos making phony claims about the relative price of the PS4, and warning us to expect Sony to use the same kind of DRM as Microsoft.

[EDIT] I see you were banned, so I guess I wasted my time posting a response.
 
This shift happened during the early years of last gen.

When multiplatform games started coming out, the PS3 versions of the games were penalized for not running as well as the 360 versions.

That stopped once a couple of PS3 games looked better than their 360 counterparts.
 
Green Slime said:
All I'm going to say is that Sony must've done something pretty horrendous to the gaming media for Sessler and Leadbetter to be so pro-MS.
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The gaming media isn't pro Nintendo and Valve either. Indifference is worst than contempt in this business. The only reason Sony stands out because of the very virtue they are the nearest competitor of Microsoft.

It can't be xenophobia ( although sometimes it still noticeable ) though since Valve is also omitted in the equation.
 
Fallout-NL said:
The difference in the two OP videos is baffling.
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I'm primarily a PC gamer, so I don't really have a dog in this fight at the moment, however...

Let me just say that the phenomenon of this past week has been incredible to watch. It really is utterly baffling. From Klepek to Sessler to Ars, it's been astounding.

As someone who's worked in corporate PR for over 10 years now, my honest guess is that a lot of these journalists are probably aiming for PR gigs with either console or game developers.
 
Let's face it though, there's been hypocrisy throughout this generation and we don't really need more proof. Conflicting comments like 'If it's not broken don't fix it' for Halo and 'it's just more of the same' when talking about KZ or RAC. This is just continuing a grand old tradition off good old American jingoism.
 
Curufinwe said:
The hypocrisy in Sessler insisting that 1080p is the bare minimum we should expect on the new consoles, and then just a few months acting like resolution is irrelevant is clear.

You also have to view this latest video in the context of his previous videos making phony claims about the relative price of the PS4, and warning us to expect Sony to use the same kind of DRM as Microsoft.

[EDIT] I see you were banned, so I guess I wasted my time posting a response.
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Is this some sort of payback from Sessler to Sony for not giving him a free console?

Is he using his influence as a games reviewer to prove to Sony that he gets what he wants or else?

(damn, beaten like Adam Sessler's Twitter feed!)..

Not saying either reason is, but man, the amount of salt he's giving out recently must be making his throat dry...
 
Green Slime said:
All I'm going to say is that Sony must've done something pretty horrendous to the gaming media for Sessler and Leadbetter to be so pro-MS.
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Sony planted rabid squirrel blood in Sessler's steak one night during family dinner. His wife told everyone on Twitter about his sudden change of mood before calling poison control.
 
godelsmetric said:
I can cherry pick quotes saying that nobody cares about the minor differences last generation, too. In fact my recollection from last generation was that the press thought the pixel counters were indeed pretty much weirdos and that nobody cared about the difference. But then, perhaps my perspective was different because I hadn't shelled out $599 on the promise of a supercomputer so powerful that it would make the 360 look like the Xbox 1.5.
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There's rather a big difference between saying "the visual differences are negligible, any version is perfectly playable" when you're reviewing a game for established consoles that both have tens of millions of players, or saying the exact same thing when the difference is actually bigger than it has ever been and those consoles aren't even available for purchase yet. Because in the latter, gamers have yet to buy these consoles. Gamers aren't reading these articles to make up their minds what version of the game to pick up for their console, they're reading them to make up their minds about what console to buy.

That's why the TV comparison is such a good one. It's like CNET is comparing two brandnew 1080p OLED TVs and telling you that the HDTV with the lesser image quality and the higher price is just as good as the better one and the lower price - because you won't see the difference anyway and you shouldn't even care because it's all about content, not image quality. WTF? What happened to unbiased reporting?
 
Green Slime said:
All I'm going to say is that Sony must've done something pretty horrendous to the gaming media for Sessler and Leadbetter to be so pro-MS.
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So since he has now said that he gave it some thought and 720p isn't that big of a deal, as long as the games are good, that makes him "pro-MS"? How is that saying Sony's console sucks? Does this also make him pro Wii U?

This thread is too much. I really don't know why I even posted...
 
greatnorthern said:
I'm primarily a PC gamer, so I don't really have a dog in this fight at the moment, however...

Let me just say that the phenomenon of this past week has been incredible to watch. It really is utterly baffling. From Klepek to Sessler to Ars, it's been astounding.

As someone who's worked in corporate PR for over 10 years now, my honest guess is that a lot of these journalists are probably aiming for PR gigs with either console or game developers.
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That's probably part of it. However, as an outside observer from Europe, I really get the impression that this phenomenon is almost exclusively occuring in the American gaming press, which previously had no issues kicking the PS3 at every opportunity. Go figure.
 
Green Slime said:
All I'm going to say is that Sony must've done something pretty horrendous to the gaming media for Sessler and Leadbetter to be so pro-MS.
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I don't believe so. All it really takes is for them to have a bit of their own money or emotion invested. Maybe they have a large 360 collection and were set on going Xbox. Maybe they have a large Live friends list.
 
keltickennedy said:
So since he has now said that he gave it some thought and 720p isn't that big of a deal, as long as the games are good, that makes him "pro-MS"? How is that saying Sony's console sucks? Does this also make him pro Wii U?

This thread is too much. I really don't know why I even posted...
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Neither do I, since you obviously haven't read/understood what most people are debating about.
 
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