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[Principate]

I havent and I don't need to.


I have a PC and about 500 games on steam. There isn't a single one that looks identical at 720p and 1080p.


Microsoft doesn't have a magic upscaler. In fact, upscaling causes visual issues of its own. Always.


This shit isn't up for debate. We can debate art. You can't debate pixel counts.

I'll be honest and say on some games of the games I've tried the resolution difference isn't that noticeable and really by that I mean the visual upgrade you get isn't worth the drop in frame rates.

You can easily get used to a lower resolution bad framerates affect my enjoyment of some games.

 

[Bundy]

Ok, so....

Battlefield 4 on Xbone = Worse framerate and lower resolution than PS4 version = both games with the same score

COD: Ghosts Xbone - better framerate according to Polygon and lower resolution than PS4 version = higher score than PS4 version.

What the....

Reviewed by Polygon

The Story of Polygon - financed by Microsoft for $750,000

lol okay!

 

[Jonboy]

BF4 Xbox one - lower framerate and lower resolution than PS4 version = same score as PS4 version.
Ghosts Xbox one - better framerate and lower resolution than PS4 version = higher score than PS4 version.

Hmm.

I have no issue with the framerate being better on Xbox one (and to me that would make it a slightly better version), but at least use the same logic across other reviews.

This. Exactly this.

 

[Kssio_Aug]

Polygon, as always. Crap site!

 

[CadetMahoney]

First, digital foundry - they showed the XB1 version of battlefield 4 looking better than the ps4 version. "oh it was their capture equipment, it can't be trusted!"

Polygon confirms cod looks better on xb1 "oh they can't be trusted!"

heh

 

[wsoxfan1214]

Do you have proof that it is?

Do you want to acknowledge my post instead of pretending it doesn't exist because it's too difficult to dismiss?

 

[Curufinwe]

ITT: People that haven't seen CoD running on PS4 and XBO side by side criticize people who have and say the framerate makes the XBO version the better buy.

I got the PS4 version, and mostly for MP, but this thread is funny.

I think it's fine they say get the Xbone version for better frame rate.

I just wonder why they didn't say get the PS4 version of BF4 for better frame rate, higher resolution and more graphical effects.

 

[Zombie James]

ITT: People that haven't seen CoD running on PS4 and XBO side by side criticize people who have and say the framerate makes the XBO version the better buy.

I got the PS4 version, and mostly for MP, but this thread is funny.

An upscaled image will never look identical to to a native image. As mort said, you don't need to view games side-by-side or at all to know this. On top of that, saying shit like, "gee, one version may have looked sharper, but it was probably just my imagination" is dishonest as fuck.

 

[CrazyDude]

Framerate is more important than resolution.

PS4 needs a 720p option. At that res it should certainly have a more solid framerate than the XB1 version.

Every dev needs to offer a 720p option on PS4 unless they are LOCKED at 60fps on 900p/1080p/whatever.

That is assuming that it's the resolutions fault for framerate drops and not developers.

 

[Ironchef3500]

Is this a valid sentence???

"(720p upscaled to 1080p native, "

 

[BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO]

Both games are 1080p. One is upscaled, though. It does muddle the difference some.

please be a joke post

 

[-griffy-]

Both games are 1080p. One is upscaled, though. It does muddle the difference some.

No. They. Aren't.

 

[PorkFryRice]

didn't neogaf crucify DF last week on the xb1/ps4 comparison videos?

Also if all the tech sites are saying the same thing, then they're all getting paid by MS right?

 

[SeaOfMadness]

ok wait, so now it looks like 5 different review sites prefer the xbox version. surely one of those has to be "reputable"?

 

[Waaghals]

Both games are 1080p. One is upscaled, though. It does muddle the difference some.

It does not muddle anything. Upscaled is not the same as native. It does not add any information; it merely prevents the pictured from being displayed centered on screen encircled by black bars.

Upscaling will also add some additional artifacts that makes it look worse than native.
It is of course completely acceptable not to care about this, but the difference is massive.

 

[NullPointer]

But framerate isn't king in a game like DR3.

Is DR3 turn based or something? A text based adventure game maybe?

Framerate is king in all video games.

I can only hope that COD is an outlier, and that 1080p isn't a choice that's detrimental to a solid framerate in other games.

 

[hwy_61]

Anybody catch that @KazHiraiCEO tweet? He deleted it..not sure why, it was funny.

 

[RedNumberFive]

Both games are 1080p. One is upscaled, though. It does muddle the difference some.

Please tell me that you haven't bought into this nonsense!

 

[Impeccable]

ok wait, so now it looks like 5 different review sites prefer the xbox version. surely one of those has to be "reputable"?

Links?

 

[Feorax]

didn't neogaf crucify DF last week on the xb1/ps4 comparison videos?

Also if all the tech sites are saying the same thing, then they're all getting paid by MS right?

Not all tech sites are saying the same thing. This was established on page 1.

 

[Messofanego]

Nope. The dude is unethical.

His latest:

This is the same guy that a couple of weeks ago tweeted about sharing Sony NDA information to Penello. He then deleted the tweets moments later.

I won't bother listing other things, since it is not worth my time. I just was shocked at the public offering of competitor exchange of NDA information. That should of been followed up and put to task, considering this person "reviews" for the said competitor.

Nothing he says has merit. Absolutely nothing.

Whoah, whoah, whoah! Was there a thread for this?!

 

[Majmun]

Lol, makes me wonder what score Dead Rising 3fps will get.

And people really can't see the difference between 720p and 1080p? They must be joking.

 

[Mengy]

Do you have proof that isn't hearsay?

Do you have proof that it is?

You love circular arguments, don't you Senador?

 

[orioto]

This trend of wanting to make us believe 720p is the same as 1080p is just ridiculous. This is so obvious.. They are blatantly considering, the factor that shows the power difference in most launch game cases, is absolutely not relevant nor noticeable.. lol That's blatant damage control.

 

[Moobabe]

I think it's fine they say get the Xbone version for better frame rate.

I just wonder why they didn't say get the PS4 version of BF4 for better frame rate, higher resolution and more graphical effects.

That's the only thing strange here - got no problem with giving games that run better higher scores IF it's applied across the board.

 

[McLovin]

Saying a 6.5 or 7 is "shitty" is exactly what sucks about review scores.

I've enjoyed 7s before. But I'm going by the AAA standard. You know the one where 8/10=C 9/10=B and 9.5+/10 to 9.9/10 = A and 10/10=Moneyhat Anything less then an 8 is absolute shit by this standard.

 

[Nymphae]

It's possible that the PS4 version looked somewhat sharper, but that may have just been my imagination after confirming the hard resolution difference.

Is it possible? Or is it fact? I swear to god these guys are professional trolls. I mean the score doesn't bother me, if the framerate is worse on PS4, by all means, reflect that in the score. Or is the lower framerate in your imagination too?

It's just shit like this sentence, did he even need to say that? It's such a non-statement. "Sure, it's possible this one is sharper, but I dunno, fuck it."

 

[NullPointer]

Both games are 1080p. One is upscaled, though. It does muddle the difference some.

And all games are 60fps, even the 30fps ones.

With MotionPlus on your TV cranked up to max things are even better across the board.

 

[Sid]

Wow,did not expect this.

 

[KissVibes]

Because you can't show a slice of the game that doesn't have framerate drops at a press event, right?

 

[coldfoot]

Upscaling makes things worse.

People really need to understand this. Upscaling is bad, you want to avoid it at all costs (esp. in combination with ppAA) if you want a decent image quality.

720p on a 720p screen -> good
1080p on a 1080p screen -> even better
720p on a 1080p screen -> crap

Upscaling can't compensate for missing information (PS4's image has more than twice as much information). It can only destroy information in order to stretch a small image over a big screen.

The sad part is unless people are using 1:1 pixel mapping on their 1080p TV's, even the 1080p image is upscaled

 

[wsoxfan1214]

ok wait, so now it looks like 5 different review sites prefer the xbox version. surely one of those has to be "reputable"?

Please do share these links.

 

[Seanspeed]

What's that shit?

A native image at 720p will not the look the same if upscaled to 1080p, depending on the scaling tech involved.

I guess, in this thread, its probably important to clarify I'm not saying there's no difference between 720p and 1080p, because I'm sure there's a LOT of seriously jumpy people here ready to bark down anybody who they think is trying to say something good/bad about a system they don't like/like, just that its not necessarily about somebody differentiating between a 720p image and 1080p image(which is absolutely unmistakable), but a 1080p native image with a 1080p image upscaled from 720p. Its not the same thing.

 

[IcyEyes]

They know how to fetch page views.

Ps I think this game deserve at least an 8 ... but this is another story ...

 

[derwalde]

Please tell me that you haven't bought into this nonsense!

Its Sean "Balance" Speed.

 

[badb0y]

Arthur Gies, ok I understand now LOL.

 

[Hex]

I don't care about the score bump. I don't care about the framerate talk (though it certainly doesn't seem to a universal complaint).


What I can't for the life of me understand is how this dude looked at the games side by side and said he couldn't see a difference.


That's just fucking dumb.

Exactly

 

[bidguy]

cool

ill use that upgrade option on x1 then

 

[RedNumberFive]

ok wait, so now it looks like 5 different review sites prefer the xbox version. surely one of those has to be "reputable"?

It is becoming harder and harder to find a "reputable" site these days. That's why I trust the "wisdom of crowds" and visit GAF.

 

[kaching]

People who review games are not QA testers.

The videos we've seen with framerate issues weren't from QA testers.

He may not have run into frame rate issues during his personal playthrough, and therefore it's right for him to point out that he didn't have any problems. That doesn't mean problems don't exist.

Sure, there's a chance of that, but given how half-baked all versions of this game seem to be, that's a really slim chance. And we're talking about him claiming that the PS4 version consistently drops frames while the XBO version is completely steady at 60fps. If he said the XBO version simply drops frames less frequently, that would be more believable. But the likelihood that it was completely steady for him throughout when we have evidence in the field to the contrary just from doing a simple panning test that can be accomplished in under a minute, just suggests he isn't a very thorough reviewer, at best.

 

[Anilusion]

Both games are 1080p. One is upscaled, though. It does muddle the difference some.

720p upscaled to 1080p is still 720p, but stretched to fit a 1080p display.

 

[3rdamention]

EDIT: No I am wrong!!

 

[Beer Monkey]

How about the dev just get the game running right?

The PS4 is more powerful than X1 but not so powerful that it will be able to run all the same games at 2x the pixel count and a higher framerate.

The dev didn't do anything wrong here. Other than not offering a 720p mode on PS4 for those who understand that framerate is more important than resolution.

Devs that target 1280x720 on X1 and 1920x1080 on PS4 are often going to end up with games that drop framerate more on PS4.

Just give us the option. I'd run my PS4 in 720p all the time if it locked framerate.

 

[BarrettW]

A wise man once said, truth to power will win out

 

[CTLance]

Ah, I was wondering why GAF was offline for a second.

Good ol' Polygon. I wonder how many hits they will farm off this thread alone?

 

[famousmortimer]

I know who you are and I appreciate your recent coverage, but if you haven't seen them then you don't have much say in perceived differences between the 2. A Steam library is not qualification. TV, couch, and distance also comes into play here. I don't doubt that there isn't a difference, but that's not what he said. He said he can't see a difference. That isn't a crazy thing to say.

Even if you had, 1 guy is saying he can't see a difference. That isn't "fucking absurd" or whatever you said. This also isn't bias. Man you guys are so hard up on this shit.

It is absurd.

I'm interested to see if there is another site, anywhere, that says there's no difference in visuals side by side.

 

[Deadly Cyclone]

An upscaled image will never look identical to to a native image. As mort said, you don't need to view games side-by-side or at all to know this. On top of that, saying shit like, "gee, one version may have looked sharper, but it was probably just my imagination" is dishonest as fuck.

I'm not denying this, and yeah, you could take them to task for the resolution note, but the end-all be-all statement the review is making is that the framerate issues in the PS4 version make it a worse buy than the solid framerate of the XBO version.

We should be discussing why, with more powerful hardware, could IW not get a solid 60 on the PS4 version, not resolution issues for a game where that very resolution difference may be causing the framerate issues in the first place.

 

[gundamkyoukai]

and yet you have people trying to dismiss this as the reviewer having a different opinion *rolls eyes*

It's not about having a different opinion it's about having a standard across the site .
Don't care about the score cause COD has problems on all platforms .

 

[SeaOfMadness]

Links?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=713883

and

see this post:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=89534859&postcount=56

 

[Air Zombie Meat]

So much discussion over a series that was never technically impressive. Seems like a bad title to use as a benchmark.