Polygon COD: Ghosts Review update: (XBONE better version)

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Probably why they didn't bother with 900p and went straight down to 720p for Xbone. Good move I guess considering the solid framerate. I don't know about this engine, I've heard it's very CPU bound which is neither console's strength.
 
bob page said:
I don't give a crap about Ghosts but this is just troublesome.
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The thing is it is different reviewers BUT, when people usually check a review they don't check for the reviewer - they check for the site (I mean I couldn't tell you the name of a single reviewer from IGN for example). As such sites should make it a review policy across the board that, if your going to deduct/increase scores based on things like framerate issues, then this should easily be done across all reviews regardless of reviewer.

IMO, It is not right for a site (regardless of reviewer for that site) to show a better score for one game based on a better framerate (in this case Ghosts), and then have another review have the exact same scores when there is clearly a worse framerate (in this case BF4).
 
I wonder what some defenders of upscaling believe to be the difference between "upscaled to 1080p" and "sends 720p to TV" concerning the final output on the screen...
 
PorkFryRice said:
didn't neogaf crucify DF last week on the xb1/ps4 comparison videos?

Also if all the tech sites are saying the same thing, then they're all getting paid by MS right?
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They had capture issues and DF came out and noted them. Oddly 2 of the 3 reasons some people gave on favouring the XB1 version came out to be capture issues. Objectively those capture issues diminished the quality of the XB1 capture (bad contrast and high saturation). The criticism is that those 2 issues in fact hid other short comings which is true. It doesn't look intentional.
 
"720p upscaled to 1080p native"
"It's possible that the PS4 version looked somewhat sharper, but that may have just been my imagination after confirming the hard resolution difference"

Polygon ladies and gentlemen!
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I guess I'll get COD on Xbox One then.

It's nice to read that not all mutliplatforms are going to be better on PS4 at launch, at least for MS.
 
Curufinwe said:
I think it's fine they say get the Xbone version for better frame rate.

I just wonder why they didn't say get the PS4 version of BF4 for better frame rate, higher resolution and more graphical effects.
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I haven't seen the actual framerate differences in COD. But the framerate differences in Battlefield 4 were incredibly small. On average, the two versions ran at a 4-5 frame difference. Drops affected both consoles roughly the same. If COD has drops to 30fps on the ps4 that don't exist on the xb1 version, then that's a big deal. If the game runs at 55fps on the ps4 and 60fps on the xb1, then it's not a big deal.
 
PorkFryRice said:
didn't neogaf crucify DF last week on the xb1/ps4 comparison videos?
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Yeah but now they're eagerly waiting for DF comparisons because the rest can't be trusted.

I think GAF should make a group that runs their own tests. The thing is... everyone no matter what is biased at least some what. Would we be able to trust those Gaffers?
 
W!CKED said:
Upscaling makes things worse.
Upscaling can't compensate for missing information (PS4's image has more than twice as much information). It can only destroy quality in order to stretch a small image over a big screen.
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I wouldn't say destroyed, but definitely distorted.
 
These studios are worked too hard. It's a joke. I can't believe this game performs so poorly on both of these next gen consoles, be it frame rate, resolution, or just overall visual consistency.
 
lol, this is too funny. The cod saga continues. The game is mediocre though...rented it on 360 and was done after a day.
 
I'm really disgusted by Polygon.
 
MajorMelchett said:
BF4 Xbox one - lower framerate and lower resolution than PS4 version = same score as PS4 version.
Ghosts Xbox one - better framerate and lower resolution than PS4 version = higher score than PS4 version.

Hmm.

I have no issue with the framerate being better on Xbox one (and to me that would make it a slightly better version), but at least use the same logic across other reviews.
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Wait... I totally missed this.

Polygon is so bush league it's not even funny. They proved it with their unwavering defense of EA's online DRM for Sim City.
 
Isn't something like a frame-rate fix an easy thing to patch? I don't think any amount of patching would bump native resolution.
 
Messofanego said:
Whoah, whoah, whoah! Was there a thread for this?!
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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=88400543&postcount=661

hawk2025 said:
Of course.

This exchange happened on Twitter:

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You'll recall that this was right after the 720p rumor came out, but was not related to that -- Sessler started tweeting mysteriously, and Gies joined in. At the time we didn't know what it was about, but now we do, and as Gies mentioned it had nothing to do with Microsoft. It was about Sony sending review units to the press.

Gies then proceeded to quickly delete the tweet.
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No thread was created. Shinobi was asleep. :D

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I don't see why this is surprising, honestly. 1080p is a lot of pixels to push around and if you don't optimize 100% for it, your frame rate will suffer. multiplat games will have the hardest time doing this.
 
tfur said:
Nope. The dude is unethical.

His latest:

This is the same guy that a couple of weeks ago tweeted about sharing Sony NDA information to Penello. He then deleted the tweets moments later.

I won't bother listing other things, since it is not worth my time. I just was shocked at the public offering of competitor exchange of NDA information. That should of been followed up and put to task, considering this person "reviews" for the said competitor.

Nothing he says has merit. Absolutely nothing.
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Where can I read up on this? If that happened and people aren't questioning if Gies has some odd corporate allegience, then I have some magic beans to sell them.
 
Dragon said:
It's not depending on the scaling tech involved. There's no algorithm in the world that will make it look as good.
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I think you need to realize that people's perceptions aren't perfect. It may not be objectively as good, but it might be close enough that a person cant really see any noticeable difference, depending on factors.
 
Hexa said:
"720p upscaled to 1080p native"
"It's possible that the PS4 version looked somewhat sharper, but that may have just been my imagination after confirming the hard resolution difference"

Polygon ladies and gentlemen!
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This has to be a joke, how the hell can anything be upscaled to native res?WTF
 
CrazyDude said:
That is assuming that it's the resolutions fault for framerate drops and not developers.
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It's a reasonable assumption. PS4 GPU has 1.5x the power of the X1's, not 2x. Jumping from 720p to 1080p you are trying to push 225% the amount of pixels.

Pretty much no shooter is locked solid at 60fps. It isn't realistic because the amount of shit happening can vary so much. So frame drops will continue to be expected, just like last gen. And if you target "60fps most of the time", you'll get more drops on PS4 than X1 unless you reduce the effects, because the system isn't over 2x as powerful.

I guess Inifinity Ward really wanted that 1080p bullet point. They should have upscaled and gone for framerate parity. I can only dream at how buttery smooth the PS4 version would have upscaled. It'd put the X1 version to shame, I betcha.
 
Deadly Cyclone said:
We should be discussing why, with more powerful hardware, could IW not get a solid 60 on the PS4 version, not resolution issues for a game where that very resolution difference may be causing the framerate issues in the first place.
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Maybe they'd have been better off at 900p like BF4. Judging from the Wii U version, I'm not sure that they value framerate over resolution any more. I wonder why they chose framerate over resolution on Xbox One and resolution over framerate on PS4 though...

That's an interesting question.
 
Seanspeed said:
I think you need to realize that people's perceptions aren't perfect. It may not be objectively as good, but it might be close enough that a person cant really see any noticeable difference, depending on factors.
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That person either needs glasses, or needs his prescription updated.

Yes I'm serious. Anyone who can't tell the difference between 720p and 1080p needs to see an optometrist.
 
One console will be released for 499€ and will include Kinect. You will be able to play a great game like Forza 5 day one while another will release for 399€ and you will be able to play the amazing Killzone Shadow Fall.

Both will have COD Ghosts and both versions will be slightly better than the current PS3 & 360 versions. I really doubt that one consumer can choose to either spend more 100€ or save more 100€ simply because he read one opinion formed by a unique person in one review website and saw that one version is 0.5 better and then make his choice based on this single detail in one website.

My opinion?
Let them have the fun, the free clicks, the fame and the edgy attitude by having a different 0.5 value in a scale from 0 to 10. Get the console you want the most based on the exclusive games and features, not because of such silly difference in a game review. Trust good members on GAF, that can be mature about it, that paid for their game and win nothing by saying the truth. Not everyone is like that, I know, but with enough time in here you will see that you can trust some of the good GAFfers, just pay attention.

Be well informed, do not be influential because you are the consumer in here and you have the power of choice, do yours based on what you like and understand that whatever score they game to a game in a review, it's their job to release a unique opinion and their income will come from how many visit their site, sponsors, ads on their page generating revenue and many, many other things. Be mature and act as an aware consumer that knows how the gaming industry have been working lately.

Keep your integrity when posting in here so we can have a better and stronger Community filled with people who love these games and these consoles and are also consumers of these same products, pay for all the products and in the end, come here to do LTTP threads, impressions, post gifs, comparison shots that are not compressed and many more things. Get the knowledge, be alert, keep and share your honest opinion, choose what makes you happy every time, maintain your integrity and have fun.
 
W!CKED said:
Upscaling makes things worse.

People really need to understand this. Upscaling is bad, you want to avoid it at all costs (esp. in combination with ppAA) if you want a decent image quality.

720p on a 720p screen -> good
1080p on a 1080p screen -> even better
720p on a 1080p screen -> crap

Upscaling can't compensate for missing information (PS4's image has more than twice as much information). It can only destroy quality in order to stretch a small image over a big screen.
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Yup, it's the one thing people still don't seem to understand. I think it was all the hype over upscaling DVD players during the early days of HDTV. It got permanently embedded into people's psyche that upscaling was a great thing. All it does is make low resolution content not look like complete and utter shit on fixed pixel displays. It doesn't add/improve/upgrade image quality or detail whatsoever. Best possible scenario is that it makes the source content look as if it were being viewed on a display with same native resolution. It will never make it look better than that, and in almost every case, it will actually look worse.
 
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