Apparently they liked Zutara more than they let on, since Makorra was basically one big pandering to that fanbase.
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Apparently they liked Zutara more than they let on, since Makorra was basically one big pandering to that fanbase.
Dreams-Visions
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Well...
...I enjoyed it. But I wasn't really looking for a reason to critique it either. Glad I skipped this thread or maybe I'd be unnecessarily salty about an animated show too.
...I enjoyed it. But I wasn't really looking for a reason to critique it either. Glad I skipped this thread or maybe I'd be unnecessarily salty about an animated show too.
BigBadGiantHand
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Pandering to the Zutara fans and making their baseless dreams come true are two different things.
Hehe, i don´t remember shipping names
Nope legitimate is right. I felt that Katara was like Aang´s older sister for most of the show if not all. The only moment that i thought she would have romantic feeling for Aang was when they pretended to be fire nation kids. Honestly Katara barely if at all showed any interest in Aang as far as i remember.
While Zutara, had several moments that got them really close together. The ending of the first season when they were both beside the lake, the raiders in the third season, and of course their fight against Azula.
At least that how i saw the romance in ATLA.
Katara was close to Zuko and had visibly shown scorn towards him most of the time.
The only time she was warming up to him was at Ba Sing Se and he swiftly killed that when he sided with Azula 20 minutes later.
There was also the Cave of Two Lovers and The Fortuneteller.Hehe, i don´t remember shipping names
Nope legitimate is right. I felt that Katara was like Aang´s older sister for most of the show if not all. The only moment that i thought she would have romantic feeling for Aang was when they pretended to be fire nation kids. Honestly Katara barely if at all showed any interest in Aang as far as i remember.
While Zutara, had several moments that got them really close together. The ending of the first season when they were both beside the lake, the raiders in the third season, and of course their fight against Azula.
At least that how i saw the romance in ATLA.
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This is why I don't get involved in cartoon communities much. I'm still scarred from Pokeshipping back when I was an innocent youngster to the internet. Who Aang/Katara/Zuko/Toph smang is possibly the least interesting part of the entire universe. Fuck, there's giant flying bison, people who can shoot fire from their fists, monstrous water things commanded by the moon spirit, and monks (monks!), and people focus on the romantic interrelations? Aiesh.
Honestly I prefer good character interaction over all that stuff. That stuff is just flavoring to everything to interesting characters. It just so happens that "shipping" is slightly a part of that although not very much, especially in AtLA.
An amazing world becomes unbelievable and obnoxious when the people living in it have no common sense or human thought process (e.g. Korra).
An amazing world becomes unbelievable and obnoxious when the people living in it have no common sense or human thought process (e.g. Korra).
It would be equally unbelievable for everyone to be asexual.
Romance is a part of anyone's life and, as a story mechanic, ought to be explored like all other parts of characters.
I wish shipping would lose it's negative connotation, because it's no different from contemplating any other aspect of a character or two characters interaction. It's just a matter of it being done right.
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I'm not saying everyone needs to be asexual, I'm saying the level of focus that is directed towards character relationships is grossly out of proportion. There's way too much obsession over it. When people have developed an intricate system of jargon for describing character pairings, something has gone wrong.
It's hardly what I'd call intricate. They take 2 names and mash them together.
And we've hardly been discussing relationships for a page. We've discussed just about everything else about the series: The cosmology, the character development, the plot, the motivations, etc. I don't think talking about it for a page is going too far.
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Oh, sorry, I should have specified, I'm not talking KorraGAF, KorraGAF merely reminded me of the existence of worse sections of the fandom briefly. tumblr is a scary place.
Hah. Try deviantArt if you want a slice of terror. Tumblr has just the aftershocks. dA has the entire war in its archives.
These are mostly kids we're talking about. I mean, Aang is 12 in ATLA. His romance with Katara was totally out of place and didn't need to be in the show. A brother-sister relationship between the two made much more sense and wouldn't have changed much in the story. Talking about the characters' romantic relationships in this much depth seems weird especially when the show didn't have that much of focus on it in the first place, except for the terrible Aang+Katara thing.
I feel like the Sokka and Zuko's romances with Yue/Suki and Mai were the only ones that felt "right" in the show. The show didn't really focus on it so much and it was presented in a mature and subtle way, unlike Aang and Katara where the "romantic" tension between them was so strong and awkward. "Shipping" might make more sense in other shows, but for ATLA it really doesn't.
I feel like the Sokka and Zuko's romances with Yue/Suki and Mai were the only ones that felt "right" in the show. The show didn't really focus on it so much and it was presented in a mature and subtle way, unlike Aang and Katara where the "romantic" tension between them was so strong and awkward. "Shipping" might make more sense in other shows, but for ATLA it really doesn't.
I hear dA is ship-locked after the ship wars that destroyed the entire planet of fandom
How was it out of place? It was a growing fondness between two important characters, whose histories and personalities complimented each other. Moving from crush to puppy love to more. Episode after episode showing how well they worked together, Aang encouraging Katara to be brave in the first episode and Katara helping him face his responsibilities, all the way to Southern Raiders where Aang's advice ended up being exactly what Katara needed, regardless of what she told herself. It felt natural. And the age thing doesn't hold much water considering how "beyond his years" Aang was, and how one of those relationships you just complimented started when said characters were young kids.
And no, it doesn't make more sense for Aang to have not had a love interest. He was the last airbender; of course he needed a future wife to be established. Could you imagine LOK coming along and them just saying in an exposition that they hooked up later? Or that Aang married a random Earth Kingdom girl? It would not be much of a justice to the characters, particularly after all those two went through, romance-centered episodes aside.
ZUTARA FALLS... NO MORE.
Child crushes are pretty complex things. I don't think any child, especially at the age of 5, has any idea what an actual romantic relationship is. I've met little kids with crushes before, and in each case it was nothing more than them imitating their parents and older siblings or hearing their parents say how "cute" they are together and acting on that.
As for Zuko and Mai, their "mature" relationship never really started until after Zuko was banished and was much older. For Aang and Katara, it's weird because Aang was so young but their relationship was so mature, and Aang was anything but mature
.Alright, maybe a romantic relationship between them wasn't so out of place, but the timing was. Aang was a wise, level-headed kid and had to make some mature decisions, but he was still an immature kid overall and having a full on relationship with Katara during that time was awkward.
As for Zuko and Mai, their "mature" relationship never really started until after Zuko was banished and was much older. For Aang and Katara, it's weird because Aang was so young but their relationship was so mature, and Aang was anything but mature
If you didn't watch past the first eleven episodes, sure, he was immature-yet-wise. Past that? He grew in maturity as the relationship grew; Katara even made a speech about how he'd grown before he kissed her. I don't see how there's an issue with a (1)12-year-old having a serious relationship when that kid is also saving the entire world. You can have the suspension of disbelief to believe that, but not the tiny stretch that he also had the maturity to fall in love?
Child crushes are pretty complex things. I don't think any child, especially at the age of 5, has any idea what an actual romantic relationship is. I've met little kids with crushes before, and in each case it was nothing more than them imitating their parents and older siblings or hearing their parents say how "cute" they are together and acting on that.
As for Zuko and Mai, their "mature" relationship never really started until after Zuko was banished and was much older. For Aang and Katara, it's weird because Aang was so young but their relationship was so mature, and Aang was anything but mature
How would you know? The show never showed how far their relationship had come at that age. For we know, they could have been screwing as far back as then.
And Aang is not "so young". He is 1-2 years younger than Katara, depending on their birthdays. Zuko is also merely 14 when the show starts and had been searching for Aang for 2 1/2 years. So, he must have started his relationship with Mai before he was 11 or 12 and they must have gotten so close that Mai and Zuko remained faithful to each other for almost 3 years of never seeing each other. That's a pretty strong relationship. Besides that, people of older times considered 12 years old to be the prime age for relationships, including marriage.
Sorry, but I'm struggling to see how Aang and Katara's relationship doesn't fit except for the fact that it is unusual. And Aang being wise is also unusual, but we accept it. So is Azula's prodigious skill, but we accept that as well. But only because those things are well justified in the narrative. And so is this, unless you can point out how it is not. Because were I'm standing from, Aang and Katara's relationship is head and shoulders above Mako and Korra's teenage hormone driven tripe.
For Zuko+Mai, I always assumed their relationship started after Azula bought Mai to search for Aang or when Zuko was un-banished. Zuko had a pretty shitty life after his mother left and I'd imagine he spent most of his time trying to impress his father and not making kissy faces with Mai. Even after his banishment, Zuko was pretty awkward with romance (that one girl in the Earth kingdom). I find it hard to believe he had anything serious with Mai until after the show started.
And I'm not saying the Aang+Katara relationship doesn't fit, I'm saying that it happened way too fast. At least, that's my opinion based on Aang's behavior throughout the show. To me, it didn't feel natural how quickly they went from "crush" to full out romance. It would've made much more sense to me if their relationship started during the comics.
Like I said, it was too fast based on his behavior in the show. His romance clashed with his childishness, even during the later episodes in the show. Sokka and Katara were always mature for their age, they had to be without their parents in order to protect the tribe from the fire nation. I found it easier to believe the Sokka+Suki relationship based on their maturity. You have a point with Yue being a one episode thing, though. I believe that was just to thicken the plot. With Aang, it never seemed like something he would do during the events of ATLA. I would've believed it more if he got "serious" with Katara during the events of the comics. That's my opinion, though.
He had better things to do? He's was a kid. Even if he wanted to spend his waking hours doing nothing but impressing his father, do you think Ozai was just sitting in a throne room, watching Zuko in case he did something interesting? He did normal kid things, including getting it on with his crush.
And then you suggest that he was dating her on the sly while searching for Aang, which is the time when he was a wanted fugitive? The only other option is when he was unbanished, in which case, a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT of character development must have happened pretty fast off screen in the month or so he was there for her to be loyal enough to betray her nation over this one guy.
I'm sorry, weren't you arguing for more believable relationships?
Fast relationships? While you praised the 'fall in love in 1 episode' relationships that Sokka had with Suki and Yue? Aang's was the most slow moving relationship. From the beginning, happening in small increments to the end. The progress into love was a very gradual one.
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Given you're shipping Mako and Harga, it's not like you are innocent.
Although that said, I'm impressed. Cross-fiction Discworld-Avatar male-male shipping? Has to be a first.
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all my loli wolf companions are so moe
You know, with all this talk about how shipping was badly affecting the fanbase, I feel kinda glad I only recently watched ATLA.
Asami is too good for her.
Yeah, the OTP is Lisami.
Wait what
BigBadGiantHand
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I'm looking forward to binging Book 2 after finals are done. I'm hoping it's better as one 5 hour movie. Actually, I still haven't rewatched Book 1; might watch both back to back and then die.
Only one that truly matters
This is too cute.
*sigh* Asami. The only good character this show has given us. :3
Good question.
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For anyone curious all of season 2 will air in a row on Nicktoons on Thursday starting at 3:00pm PST
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
I don't think I can handle a marathon of Korra Book 2.
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Mako + Harga from Harga's House of Ribs = Maharg.
Janet Varney did an AMA on Reddit yesterday:
http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1rlcdm/i_am_janet_varney_comedian_and_voice_of_korra_on/
http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1rlcdm/i_am_janet_varney_comedian_and_voice_of_korra_on/
Just finished the season and wow, what a dissapointment. It wasn't bad, at some points it was good, but mostly it was just ok. With a lot of moments of downright lousy and lazy writing. I haven't read all of the thread, so most of the stuff will already have been mentioned but...what the fuck. What happened to Lin and her warming up to Korra? Jinora did...what? And how did she appear as a spirit in the real world? How was Korra able to transform into a huge blue lady? Did Unalaq have ANYTHING going for him? Did he have any character? I really miss Amon. Or any charachter with any sort of character for that matter. Though I guess aside from Korra Bolin was still cool. And then you have the awesomess of Iroh showing up and he does...nothing,
LoK shouldn't be compared to TLA, but it's like the writers forgot how to properly write human interactions. Or properly explain things (without resorting to huuuuge amounts of exposition). "Korra is one with the Avatar again." Yeah, thanks a bunch Tenzin, we just saw Korra merge with Rhaava...
I was hoping the second season would be excellent, after the first one. Which I thought was great. But meh.
On the plus side: really great music. En some really cool looking fights.
LoK shouldn't be compared to TLA, but it's like the writers forgot how to properly write human interactions. Or properly explain things (without resorting to huuuuge amounts of exposition). "Korra is one with the Avatar again." Yeah, thanks a bunch Tenzin, we just saw Korra merge with Rhaava...
I was hoping the second season would be excellent, after the first one. Which I thought was great. But meh.
On the plus side: really great music. En some really cool looking fights.
I really don't what happened with this book. Book One was fine, I though. It had problems with character writing, and it's plot ultimately fizzled out at the very end, but it was still an entertaining story. Book Two just felt like they had no idea what they wanted, or knew what they wanted but no idea how to bring it together.
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Watching the finale again, more and more do I dislike what they did with the past Avatars. Cutting them off completely would have made more sense with Aang since he depended on them so much for guidance. Hell they did cut him off at the end of the second season.
But here it doesn't make any sense. There's no weight to Korra losing her connection to her past selves since she has only ever interacted with them twice.
But here it doesn't make any sense. There's no weight to Korra losing her connection to her past selves since she has only ever interacted with them twice.
Cutting the connection with all those past lives is not intended to be a big deal for Korra, because as you said she never really relied on them, the intention is for it to be seen as a big change for the avatar world or it's mythos, kind of like keeping the spirit portals open.
From now on any avatar that comes after Korra won't be able to connect with those past lives, in a way Korra became like the new first Avatar, after she dies the next Avatar will be able to ask Korra for guidance but he or she won't be able to ask Aang or Roku or Yangchen or anyone else.
Of course they could change that in season 3 or 4, but the intention was to show that now the world entered a new era like with Wan and the avatar cycle started again.
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Well they failed to give it any impact, as future Avatars mainly rely on their predecessor for guidance. One after Korra would have asked Korra anyway even with the others still in tact. It just seems like such pointless gesture when it adds nothing to the character.
I follow Dimartino's blog because we have similar interests in storytelling for change. Here's his post on Korra Season 2:
io9: Paul Dini on cartoon executives, "'We do not want girls watching this show"
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=734947
http://io9.com/paul-dini-superhero-cartoon-execs-dont-want-largely-f-1483758317
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=734947
http://io9.com/paul-dini-superhero-cartoon-execs-dont-want-largely-f-1483758317
Yeah, everyone BUT the writers have their shit together.
It is part of why it is so hard to hate the show initially: so much is done right.
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