Need to update that brah:
So for those of us who only buy the game, and never anything else, what do we get?
An ass-backward Oklahoma, that's what.
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Francis rages about Microtransactions
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So for those of us who only buy the game, and never anything else, what do we get?
An ass-backward Oklahoma, that's what.
Why not. It's a parody of angry nerd culture. And it works pretty well, seeing as everyone always believes it's real and not a character. And in the end, it gets the point across. He's covering topics that people care about.
Honestly what I don't understand is people like you, that go on and on about people like Boogie. It's bizarre.
yes, youtube gets worse every day
WarMacheen
Member
Any one have the problem of the volume control not working on youtube vids?
I specifically did not buy Dead Space 3 thanks to micro transactions and how they shaped the games mechanics and crafting after it, no matter how much they defend it otherwise. Now granted, they screwed up DS3 in numerous other ways besides micro trans but that was the factor that made me not even purchase the game to see how bad/good the rest actually was. Like others have said, I would rather micro trans not be in any games period, but if publishers/devs must have it it should be in a completely F2P game. Unfortunately the big number of sales they will make on games like Forza 5 and Ryse come from those uneducated to the micro trans, so they buy them thinking they are getting a full game.
Seriously, if games are going to move this way we should just get rid of home consoles altogether and go back to Arcades where at least right on the machine I know how much I will have to pay to give it a go and potentially with the right skill only have to pay that fee once to complete the game with.
Seriously, if games are going to move this way we should just get rid of home consoles altogether and go back to Arcades where at least right on the machine I know how much I will have to pay to give it a go and potentially with the right skill only have to pay that fee once to complete the game with.
Updated my Flash and Java and still getting the same issue. Video's just stop mid way through and don't start back up.
hypostatic
Member
Boogie makes some reasonable points. Too bad MS won't care.
Majukun
Member
if there's an outcry but people buy the games there won't be any change.
the only message they get,is when the shit they are trying to put in place HURT the total sales...
microsoft was ready to strip us from our right to sell games,then nobody pre-ordered the xbone because of that,and they changed that...only with the internet noise we can't do much,they need to see those dollars fly OUT of their pockets..then,and only then,they will change behaviour.
don't buy games with microtransactions in it,period.
don't be a child that can't resist to the new shining toy..or at least buy it used,so that you don't become a +1 in the "i don't buy microtransactions stuff,but I also have no problem with them,keep doing it" part of their graph
ExFalsoQuodlibet
Member
I agree that MS is not the cause of microtransactions in games, and the real causes are being discussed, but MS gets the blunt of the rage for supporting this trend up front with the first exclusives. The others didn't, it's simple.
Also, searching for a solution certainly means identifying the real causes, but also not blurring it all by casting a judgement of guilt upon every player: for example, even if something is a inevitable trend, some player could have found some acceptable middle ground.
That's exactly the reason why the core community should complain with full voice: since most of the gamers don't care, the act of voting with wallets is not efficient. The uprising against MS DRM policies was effective because it was early and vocal, if everybody kept shut his/her mouth just thinking "I'll not buy the console" we would have seen still hundreds of thousands of Xbox One sold in the first day, purchased by those who don't care.
An sometimes not buying is not really an option: the new Forza sounds awesome anyway.
zenosparadox
Member
I hope you are right. You are more optimistic than me.
God Dayumm
Banned
firehawk12
Subete no aware
This is why they are moving to microtransaction models now. It doesn't matter if you buy the game used or 3 years after release, the game still has the built in "buy Forza bucks with cash" hooks.
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
Actually that might be a flash error? Or was it Java... anyways one of those you might have to reinstall flash to get it working correctly again. That used to happen to me for a while and irritated me to no end having to constantly reinstall just to have shit break again repeating the whole process.
No idea what caused it and what stopped it either...
But I switched to HTML5 YouTube and still had the same issue. Might be a Java issue then. Really frustrating.
And they'll continue to fail by doing what they're doing.
It ain't our fault that publishers nowadays want to make very expensive budgets & advertising/marketing for their games & for having unrealistic expectations in hopes that they'll receive huge COD like sales.
And if you do play it, play it with the knowledge they are using psychological tricks in order to get you to spend more money.
Knowledge_is_power.gif
Need to update that brah:
You fucking nailed it.
Need to update that brah:
Shit's depressing.
i feel like this wouldnt be such an issue if they didnt make forza so god damn grindy, it feels like your grinding points to buy characters in league of legends, difference is league of legends isnt 60 dollars
like, allow me to unlock all of the content in a reasonable amount of time in a paid game and it would be the same as a ps2 or early last gen game where i do really well and finally get the best cars, instead its like, farm the field for a few weeks and you can buy the best cars, OR GIVE US MONEY
like, allow me to unlock all of the content in a reasonable amount of time in a paid game and it would be the same as a ps2 or early last gen game where i do really well and finally get the best cars, instead its like, farm the field for a few weeks and you can buy the best cars, OR GIVE US MONEY
twisteddeeds
Member
Do you use any adblockers/tracker blockers if you do it will probably be caused by them
test_account
XP-39C²
Do you have to grind for weeks in Forza 5 to gain access to the best cars? I saw some post earlier that estimated around 450 hours or so, but that was to unlock everything. How long would it take to unlock the best cars (i'm not sure how many those are though)?
Need to update that brah:
You mean current-gen.
The Cowboy
Member
Same here, been going on for a few days now for me - at 1st I thought it was my connection but it only ever happens with YouTube.
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Anyways, didn't like the francis video at all but the serious is very good indeed.
Or any other company for that matter. Only thing they'll respect, as is good and proper, is when we vote with our wallets .... So let's!
But that's the point they made it that way so people WILL pay money to bypass that grind. It's actually very smart on their end and well thought out.
Jackass like, but smart.
flyinpiranha
Member
Holy shit. That is some crazy knowledge of gaming right there. I am amazed.
ReplacementPelican
Member
Can someone answer this for me please:
I'm a 'casual' racing gamer, I don't spend too much time on them but I do enjoy them. Is there literally no way I can use some of these cars without paying money or grinding for longer than I would wish to?
Like, is there free-play?
I'm a 'casual' racing gamer, I don't spend too much time on them but I do enjoy them. Is there literally no way I can use some of these cars without paying money or grinding for longer than I would wish to?
Like, is there free-play?
I can't even begin to guess how long it would take to unlock everything, I just know its more of a time commitment than im willing to make. 450 hours is a lot though, thats 18.75 days of playtime.
It affects the fun factor of the games for me, I want unlock amazing content because I achieved something in the games like beat a record time on a hard difficulty. Not by grinding in game currency.
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
Basically yes is what it seems. There is a "glitch" that allows you to use whatever you want in the free race mode or something, but one can guess it will be patched therefore closing that loop hole.
Sickboy007
Member
Need to update that brah:
Perfect.
tokyostomp
Banned
I always assumes Francis was his real voice. It just fit.
ReplacementPelican
Member
That is absolutely outrageous. Forza has, with this, gone from my favourite racing series to a game that I wouldn't even purchase.
test_account
XP-39C²
Grinding in games have excisted for quite some time before microtransactions though. What i'm curious about is how the grinding in Forza 5 (which has microtransactions) is compared to the grinding in Forza 1 to 4 (which doesnt have microtranscations). This way it should be easy to show if Forza 5 has been made my "grindy" (is that a word?) to make more people wanting to buy the microtranscations.
Fair enough, i understand. I'm not sure if griding in games will go away regardless of what happends to microtranscations. Having to grind also works as a mechanic to make people play the game for a longer period of time, to have goals in the game that you can work towards (unlocking stuff). This is perhaps used more in multiplayer parts of the game rather than single player though, although driving simulators have had it for some time.
To get the Lotus F1 car about 500- 1000 races or so, depends on the difficulty. Thats one car.
alexandros
Banned
His serious videos are much better than the Francis ones.
I can't imagine the cost of implementing microtransactions would be too high. So the excuse of "buy the game but don't buy the microtransactions and alls fine" doesn't wash with me. They could throw in those microtransactions at a minimal cost and still get a healthy return if only a few thousand people bought some (made up numbers here, but I surely can't be far off).
Buying the game, but not buying microtransactions doesn't send the message clearly enough, and this is where I agree with Boogie. If you don't want to support such a practice, you boycott the game itself. Or, buy the game second hand or rent it. That is the best way to make yourself heard. You deny them your purchase. That is effectively a vote, and the clearest signal to them you don't want microtransactions in full price games.
You decide whether this lives or dies right now.
Buying the game, but not buying microtransactions doesn't send the message clearly enough, and this is where I agree with Boogie. If you don't want to support such a practice, you boycott the game itself. Or, buy the game second hand or rent it. That is the best way to make yourself heard. You deny them your purchase. That is effectively a vote, and the clearest signal to them you don't want microtransactions in full price games.
You decide whether this lives or dies right now.
I'm sure eventually he'll want to move past Francis someday. His serious videos are getting more hits than they used to. So I'm sure it's just about building that up first, before cutting off the character that brought him his viewers in the first place.
While I agree, I'm not a fan of the comedy of Francis, I think it's legitimate satire that highlights issues people care about. It's not for everyone (certainly not for me), but I do like his serious videos, and the topics he brings up with Francis.
HappyHunting
Neo Member
Completely agree, the issue however is the average consumer or the casual (which microsoft is aimed towards) is not going to be informed of this. They will buy the game play a bit, find out that the car they want is pretty much un-attainable. They will either stop playing or pay to get that cool car, either way they already bought the game, so EA/MSFT wins.
Yes not buying after the fact is an excellent way to vote, but more transparency, and better implimentation of microtransactions wouldn't hurt. People also need to speak their minds, they just need to do so clearly and respectfully.
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
People like me? Two posts is going "on and on" about "people like boogie"? Where are you getting this shit?
And you say it's a parody but that's exactly the point I'm disputing, or at least trying to deconstruct. It's an odd parody if his behavior is parodical but his message is serious. If people find yelling to be funny, then I guess it qualifies as parody. I don't think that's funny, so I just wanted to ask about what I might be missing, having little experience with his videos.
Again, boogie (as himself) seems like a perfectly cool dude.
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
In this Forza thread on the monetization in the game
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=721448
one GAF user posted the following.
Zen_Arcade
Banned
Francis is a physical manifestation of annoying internet forum whiners.
Every time I see someone complain that Bayonetta 2 is only on Wii U or that Sony is doomed because it only had Knack and Killzone at launch, I read it in Francis's voice. Even when he has a good point to make it's so shrouded in immaturity that the point is lost (Which is why it's good that Boogie does videos out of character on the same issues). It's essentially just social commentary.
Plus the Francis stuff where he's not just sitting at a desk yelling in front of a computer is far funnier.
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