Vermillion
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I love this guy.
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Anyone get the feeling that Kanye's afraid of death? /armchair psychoanalyst.
Watch Kanye West repeatedly get his ass handed to him
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I love this guy.
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Anyone get the feeling that Kanye's afraid of death? /armchair psychoanalyst.
iamshadowlark
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Eh. Dude knows who to pick his battles with. I watch BC interviews often and he will bring the bravado and play they "he doesn't bite his tongue role" when its safe but any and everytime someone comes who would pull his card, he gets on his best behavior. I can't respect that, bruh is a clown.
aorange999
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I went to see his live Yeezus show last week at the Barclays center and he was preceded by Tribe called f-Ing quest. By the time Kanye was done he had single handedly convinced me he was better than the best rap group of all time at performing for sure and perhaps his songs were better too.
I hate him as much as the next gaffer but unfortunately I have to concede that the guy is some kind of pop/performer genius. He is operating at a level of self delusion that is creating some of the best art of this generation, and it is very intentional.
edit. - I was given a free ticket by a buddy who said every self respecting music fan should take a look. I didn't give him any money. In hindsight I would definitely pay to see his concert.
I hate him as much as the next gaffer but unfortunately I have to concede that the guy is some kind of pop/performer genius. He is operating at a level of self delusion that is creating some of the best art of this generation, and it is very intentional.
edit. - I was given a free ticket by a buddy who said every self respecting music fan should take a look. I didn't give him any money. In hindsight I would definitely pay to see his concert.
Tragicomedy
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Charlamagne is really intelligent. I love his commentary.
"Yeezus was whack."
"Why do you talk so much about money nowadays?"
"You know what makes me not buy your new albums? Your new, egotistical, narcissistic attitude."
"You don't seem like you're on your square right now."
"We don't care about you designing clothes and shoes."
"If you're a genius, why do you feel the need to tell us?"
"People don't care about your rich people problems."
Yep.
"Yeezus was whack."
"Why do you talk so much about money nowadays?"
"You know what makes me not buy your new albums? Your new, egotistical, narcissistic attitude."
"You don't seem like you're on your square right now."
"We don't care about you designing clothes and shoes."
"If you're a genius, why do you feel the need to tell us?"
"People don't care about your rich people problems."
Yep.
haZethew0rld
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Foxy Fox 39
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So "musical icon" is how you compare artists to Beethoven. Katy Perry is a musical icon. So is Justin Bieber. What are you saying right now?
It seems that this topic is blindhating on Kayne. Don't get me wrong, I dislike his personality myself...
But he has a point. He doesn't seem to know how to properly explain how he feels...but this world is one where you are a "slave" unless you "purchase" your freedom from the system through money, power, fame, etc.
You have no choice than to be restricted to certain brands, a certain lifestyle. Most people will work 40ish hours a week, 5 days a week, pay taxes, etc. This is the only way food gets on the table without committing a crime. There is little time to explore the world, try out new things (everything costs money), etc.
Unless you have some sort of power. Once you do, all of a sudden, rules don't apply to you. People accept your will instead of determining what you can do. You can survive living any lifestyle you want to once you have power.
Kayne is tired of people who have no power, blaming him for falling victim to the sins that power brings. More money, more problems and it isn't easy to possess power and not abuse it. It's easy for a normal person to control themselves as they have no power they have to regulate. Yet everyone holds Kayne to their own personal standard.
But he has a point. He doesn't seem to know how to properly explain how he feels...but this world is one where you are a "slave" unless you "purchase" your freedom from the system through money, power, fame, etc.
You have no choice than to be restricted to certain brands, a certain lifestyle. Most people will work 40ish hours a week, 5 days a week, pay taxes, etc. This is the only way food gets on the table without committing a crime. There is little time to explore the world, try out new things (everything costs money), etc.
Unless you have some sort of power. Once you do, all of a sudden, rules don't apply to you. People accept your will instead of determining what you can do. You can survive living any lifestyle you want to once you have power.
Kayne is tired of people who have no power, blaming him for falling victim to the sins that power brings. More money, more problems and it isn't easy to possess power and not abuse it. It's easy for a normal person to control themselves as they have no power they have to regulate. Yet everyone holds Kayne to their own personal standard.
Gaf_SentMe
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smh. Damn. I have never felt older. You don't know who Michael Jordan is?
This guy is great, I've only seen a few videos of his before. Now I gotta find more.
The Driver
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I don't exactly get how what I said was delusional but tanks for the insult bro/sis.
I also don't get how his style of expression is something for people to hate him so much for. It's a very human fault that he owns up to in the interview itself and it's not like everyone is 100 % on point at explaining themselves at all times.
The Zane Lowe interview covers a lot of familiar territory here and he explains his stance much better.
And again he's mad because people are saying "you can only rap/produce" when he doesn't want to do JUST rapping for the rest of his life. Hell at one point no one wanted him to rap either!
I'm not saying what he could/will produce won't be shit but no one is even hearing the dude. This thread just proves everything gets drowned out in petty things like "I didn't like his last album, he's marrying Kim, his clothes/shoes are expensive, he talk's like a jackass" rather than discussion on the things Kanye has to say/wants to do.
But whatever. inb4okaycuteyestan.
For real yo. There was an interview with Charlemagne a little after Yeezus came out were he basically covered the same ground so the dude has been waiting for this.
CartridgeBlower
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Kanye is in it for fame and ego. Everything he does derives from those two things. Nothing he has done in his career proves otherwise.
You come off as incoherent as Kanye right now.
He's probably fucking with us. A seven year old knows who Michael Jordan is.
FootballFan
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Hahahahaha
CartridgeBlower
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The problem with this is...so what DOES he want to be? A God? Because that's literally what it seems like. It seems like he has no clear vision for what he's trying to obtain -- it's just the next thing. Producing to rapping -- the next thing. Rapping to designing clothes -- the next thing. Designing clothes to getting with Kim for publicity -- the next thing.
He keeps acting like he's trying to solve world hunger but backs it up with moves that suggest he is in it strictly for his own vanity.
And slowly becoming a jack of all trades, master of none...
this is the level of knowledge of kanye west there is at these forums and in mass media and the reason why i refuse to even try and start.
Great job missing my point. Kanye is as successful as he is because of how brilliant, innovative, influential, and unique his music is. His first album dropped ten years ago, he is still relevant to music today, unlike Katy Perry and Justin Beiber whose music isn't crossing new lines or doing anything different from the flavor of the month.
GOD, I WISH! If Kanye debuted on WWE it would be incredible and ridiculously fitting.
CartridgeBlower
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And the amount of times I've seen this type of 'I'm not even going to try to explain it' response from Kanye supporters on this forum is also quickly climbing into the thousands.
Getting with Kim Kardashian was what then? Pure love? Or is there some masterplan that some of us are not privy to, yet no one is seemingly willing to explain?
Gaf_SentMe
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Fixed.
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Turned on the captions and he made alot more sense.
Im slightly tipsy right now and i actually thought he was drunk too.
Heard the whole interview.....I usually dont like Charl being such a dick, but when he started it with Kanye Kardashian is in the house I chuckled hard.
He thinks hes like Walt Disney....hahaha man the interview has way too many crazy quotes.
See, this is where you start covering your ears and go 'lalala.' You've stripped the man of humanity. "No, he can't possibly love Kim, that would be human!"
OniBarubary
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I'm gonna have to be a bit of an ass on this one and say that just because he's popular/successful doesn't mean he's good. If you're going to say he's brilliant, innovative, influential and unique then you're gonna have to prove those things not say "Well he's popular, so it does" It really doesn't as you just listed two people in your own example that got popular and you claim aren't any of the things he is.
The Driver
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He says it's pretty clearly that he wants to just create, it seems like he's mostly into affordable clothing and shoes at the moment.
I see nothing wrong either with wanting to crossover into other fields. Does that dilute things in those respective fields? I would say yes and no. There will be more stuff of less quality out there but if something is successful it will be successful regardless.
People argue that Kanye is best a producing but is it right to impose your wants on a artist if what they want to do is different from that? Because that is what I'm getting from a lot of comments in this thread. "Stick to producing u jerk".
So, are you saying the College Dropout did not change the direction of rap? Because, suddenly, after they album, you started hearing a lot more Kanye and seeing a lot less thug gimmicks.
I think we must have read different threads. We're not so much telling him to stick to producing as we are laughing at him being simple in the head.
Foxy Fox 39
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Kanye is successful. He is brilliant in some manner. He is influential and his music is somewhat unique. You lost me when you compared him to Beethoven. 10 relevant years is not the earmark for being like Beethoven, who died in nearly 200 years ago and is one of the most important figures not only in music's history but human history. There are many pop artist and rappers today that fit those same adjectives you listed. Jay-Z and Eminem just to name a few. Heck Kurt Cobain is still "relevant"....
It seems to me you're the only one here being biased.
CartridgeBlower
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People are saying that because it doesn't seem like the other ventures Kanye is spreading into are all that great. You could argue he revolutionized producing, at least for a time, so people hold him to high standards. But his whole career is starting to mirror Jordan playing baseball. It's egotistical as all hell to think you can be great at everything you do. Surely no one should tell him he doesn't have the right, but they are allowed to criticize and think he is reaching beyond his grasp.
OniBarubary
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No. I'm not saying anything even remotely like that. I just said "successful" and "popular" are not a clear indicator of the things you said. Conversely, what I just quoted was an indicator that he is those things which you could have said instead of "He makes bank" I would also say you'd have to prove it a little even though I already believe your position.
You can't say it's success was why it was influential because there are many albums that are not very big successes or saw a lot of play that were also very influential in a number of scenes.
I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm saying to argue this point you need to structure your argument a little better so people will actually believe you or hear you out.
Calling him Beethoven should probably be avoided though.
Johnny Cage In The Shower
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Obviously you're not a golfer.
Ok, how about this: when it comes to rap music, he is a virtuoso of his time, just like Mozart or Beethoven. I'm not saying the album's success was why it was successful. I'm saying, the way Beethoven shaped symphonic music is the way Kanye has shaped rap.
And yes, I am the only one being biased in an entire thread of people taking a shit all over Kanye because he's not the most articulate, coldy calculated person in the history of ever.
OniBarubary
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That I can get behind. He is incredibly influential and many people aped or were able to achieve their own success due to the groundwork he laid.
Precisely. It's within the context of our time that I make the comparison. In terms of his talent, he's a Beethoven of rap because of how brilliant the music he made was in his genre. He is as talented in the rap genre as Beethoven was a composer.
The Driver
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Yeah but I think a lot of this kind of thinking just feeds into the "Kanye hate" that is showing up in this thread that obscures everything else outside of his rambling or outrageous statements and I think that's a shame. Imagine how much different things would be if other musicians and artists today were as ambitious as Kanye.
inb4lolitwouldbeaworseplacethategotho
Oh I definitely agree it's alright to criticize but the dude hasn't been given a chance. Personal opinion will vary but the "product" thing he is probably most known for outside of his music are the Air Yeezys and you have to be a sneaker person to appreciate them, which in that world, those things are the shit. I don't even like sneakers and those things catch my eye.
His clothing seems to be hit or miss depending on his levels of involvement, but his Yeezy tour merch is pretty cool and seems to be selling very well. This is all subjective though so I don't know if either of us can say his stuff is "great/not great" but it seems to move easy and is desired. I think your point about MJ is good because it could very well turn out to be true for Kanye but I think at this point the dude deserves the benefit of the doubt, but he has trouble getting that because of all the baggage he brings with him.
Foxy Fox 39
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Well most of it's deserved. I can see someone say Kanye sucks or Kanye is an idiot and I can agree with that. I can look at someone saying Kanye is a genius (of sorts) and a bit of a visionary and I can agree with that. Those seem like two legitimate opinions about Kanye even though sometimes they may seem like theyre opposed to one another. When someone says Kanye is comparable to Beethoven yeah, I think they're a bit biased.
Even saying he's the beethoven of rap is a bit misguided. What does that mean? Are we over looking other influential rappers who completely changed the genre or culture? How can we say he's the Beethoven of rap when we're still seeing the effects of Beethoven on music produced today 200 years later -- more than that people still play beethovens music 200 years later. Will we see Kanye's stamp on rap in even 10 years? 20 years? 30 years? I doubt it very much. His legacy and genius is no where near Beethoven's even if you limit it to the rap genre.
I'm not even a Kanye hater. I like the guy. I think he's full of himself yes, but for the most part I agree with some of the crazy things he says. I just think you could probably find rap artists that are just as influential as he is.
Napoleonthechimp
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I thought you guys were joking about that Kanye branded clothing... god damn. Anyone who buys that junk is more bat-shit crazy than Kanye.
It is and it's working.
He states in the vid that he didn't price the T-Shirt.
Also, I didn't think Kanye got his ass handed to him at all. Charmane has always had a thing against Kanye. I think some of the contradiction is actually intentional with Kanye. Kind of like a, I hate them and they control us but I need them type situation, that is, with respect to corporations.
Glorified G
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I can't tell which post should take the crown as the best one in this thread. The image of a $120 plain white t shirt or Kanye and Beethoven mentioned in the same sentence.
Regardless both had made this thread very entertaining
just start reading and listening yourself. do research. it's not my job to do it. i'm letting you know you are misinformed, and if you really just think it's is some blind fan shit, so be it. and no i don't mean read a bunch of wikis. do some actual research. maybe the reason you call certain people "kanye supporters" are actual just people well informed, who read and keep up with these issues. that goes to learning about the ins and out of the music industry and commoditization of it on the independent to the major label level. major corruption in big industries. one specifically in america due to media's beginnings with dependence on advertising, and today's effects of it. i.e. : media and communications, art, and the industry infrastructures controlling these things, along with most importantly kanye west himself. yes read actual entire interviews from the first kanye west to todays interview. every single one. research what he says, who he is speaking about(record labels, influential artists, songs. context is very important.) Not watch a youtube video of an interview once a year posted on neogaf or reddit, or cnn talking about him. kanye west is a perfect example of media altered perception. no but just call it some blind fan shit.
getting with kim? i know kim seems like some dumb ass bitch on tv, but guess what, she's has a huge empire of a business and hasn't fucked it up yet. she's not as dumb as people think, because then she would be making more mistakes. she specializes in reality tv. secret to good reality tv? is that good reality tv isn't real. that's all characters and brands being sold to you. and it's working. so unlike every other girl, kim isn't looking at kanye and seeing money. she has that. she also has something kanye doesn't, a more amicable connection to media. oh, and she is notoriously beautiful. that's it. is that hard to understand?
ThisWreckage
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He sounds mentally challenged, no joke. Rambling, incoherent, megalomaniacal dross.
When I make the Beethoven comparison, i don't say it in a "there can only be one" way. Remember, there's room for Mozarts and Bachs too. Kanye's one of the most notable hip hop artists to date.
I'm not even gone try further because I can see that many of you can't fathom the idea that Kanye actually had an impact on music.
I'm not even gone try further because I can see that many of you can't fathom the idea that Kanye actually had an impact on music.
dr3upmushroom
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Doesn't seem like a fair comparison, Tribe is far beyond their prime and they've had plenty of turmoil, so that energy that's on their records just can't be recaptured. Also the guy comparing Kanye to Beethoven... come on son.
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