most stuff on youtube is garbage. people just hanging out and fucking around for google checks.
Massive Gaming YouTube Channels Getting 100s of Flagged Videos Continuously
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most stuff on youtube is garbage. people just hanging out and fucking around for google checks.
BlazeHedgehog
Member
Yeah. Again, as somebody who has been trying to scrape his way in to Youtube relevance, I can at least offer some kind of ballpark here. This Sonic Generations review I did two years ago took me almost a solid month to make. I recorded something like 40-50 hours of gameplay footage from more than a dozen games, created unique art, and once I had all my assets it took me over a week to edit everything together.
This much more recent, much less impressive Sonic Lost World review took me two weeks to put together.
The least effort possible on a video is a Let's Play, because it requires very little editing. This Spelunky Daily Challenge video I posted the other day, between recording, editing, encoding and uploading, took nearly four hours.
Fuck off if you don't think this stuff takes a lot of work.
PotionBleue
Member
I am not sure about that. The YouTube gaming community existed for years before this whole partnership thing and it worked fine, with popular vids/channels standing out. What I'm saying is that money is not vital to quality content as a whole; it just makes it more concentrated. Some people here have basically said “OMG YT GOING TO COLLAPSE if x and y stop making videos”; no, people will just move on as they've always done because talent is not something that's lacking on YouTube, even less so people looking for big numbers.
megamerican
Member
I think it's sort of dickish to say that Youtube isn't a real job. Sure, some of the Let's Play stuff is lazy and annoying. But people like Angry Joe and James Rolfe seem to put a ton of work and effort into their stuff, and they should be compensated for that.
but no one asked you to do this in the first place.
Lost Fragment
Obsessed with 4chan
Google has a monopoly on this shit. Short of just replacing every video with Tubgirl, they can do whatever the fuck they want, and they're acting like it.
IF some company, for whatever reason, wanted to put up the MASSIVE investment it would take to start a true competitor to YouTube, then this sort of thing would make more users flock to the new upstart, yeah. But that's a ridiculously big "if," and it's not like the money would be there day 1 or even year 1 for the upstart either.
Nope. Not a real job unless you're digging ditches all day for $9 an hour.
BlazeHedgehog
Member
That's just, like, your opinion, man.
Actually? You'd be surprised. I may not have a GameGrumps level of subscribers, but I have enough that my tumblr blog now is 75% questions from fans.
I've even had correspondence with sites like Gametrailers about my content
But I guess none of that matters, huh?
im not saying it doesnt matter, im simply saying you did it because you wanted to. so who gives a shit how long it took you.
BlazeHedgehog
Member
You've got a pretty ignorant view of all of this, and haven't actually been paying attention to the thread if you can't see the people belittling the work of others as "not important" just because it's commentary over game footage.
But hey, whatever.
Uncle Rupee
Banned
Your voice is so annoying I had to turn it off almost immediately
NoPiece
Member
What kind of logic is that, you'd have a different opinion If I asked him to upload his Spelunky ?
BlackClouds
Member
DSP should go get a real job now. No empathy. It's over, time to pay up. In 5 years you'll be talking about the past as the good old days. Those days never last.
BlazeHedgehog
Member
I actually really hate the sound of my own voice (but most people do).
Contracting a professional voice over artist is something I've dreamed of one day doing, but that will probably never happen.
p.s. thanks for trashing my self-esteem, you dick.
Tom Nook Sawyer
Member
Really dude? His voice is fine. And even if it were annoying, there's no reason to be a dick about it
Uncle Rupee
Banned
Not really. The vast majority of YouTube videos are people talking into a webcam or their own footage they shot while out and about. This only affects people who include copyrighted content.
Not trying to be a dick, just being honest. Honesty is the best policy, and unfortunately there is no way to really change your voice.
MrCunningham
Member
What will this mean for Classic Game Room?
This is kind of a really dickish thing to tell someone dude
edit:
Yeah, no. Being honest doesn't mean you were not being a huge asshole. Sorry dude.
Tom Nook Sawyer
Member
No it's not. Not being a dick is the best policy.
Particularly when it's something you admit he can't change. Wth would you bring it up???
ShockingAlberto
Member
Man, dissing someone else to make up for your own low self-esteem is a pretty common thing among shitty teenagers but you don't have to exemplify it with such gusto.
Mass Effect
Member
If true, I don't know what to think of that. The majority of people who do remixes/covers use their own instruments/synths/assets. For example, I don't think someone like SmooveMcGroove (acapella guy)or Ephixia (zeldastep guy) or Stemage (metroid metal guy) should be getting their videos claimed. And yeah I know it is the original creators' works and all, but I think music covers/remixes are completely different than lets plays or even reviews and critiques.
Surely it would fall under fair use. I mean people do covers of mainstream music all the time on YT (with it being monetized) and are allowed, so I don't see how this would be any different.
Edit 2: And even still, I haven't seen anyone saying anything about it yet, so it might not even be a problem at this point. Maybe someone can ask a well-known musician if they have come across this? Like SmooveMcGroove maybe? He has a twitter account.
Uncle Rupee
Banned
You run the risk of criticism when you post something. If you can't stand the heat stay out of the kitchen, etc
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
This lack of tact was completely uncalled for.
If your true intent was to be honest, there was no need to be rude about it.
Looks like this kitchen got a bit too hot for you, bucko. Good riddance.
The only reason why youtube is popular is because its free. free to upload to, free to watch, its free. heres my shitty channel https://www.youtube.com/user/KnuckaWut/videos
i do nothing to maintain this, dont have to make sure my links work. i spend zero money for this. i uploaded some videos because i wanted to, i honestly didnt even know you could make money when i did this. so who gives a shit
ShockingAlberto
Member
BlazeHedgehog
Member
Haha, aw. I... kind of feel a little bit bad?
Just because you don't one day intend to make money doesn't mean that everyone else who starts doesn't one day intend to make money.
On the flip side as a consumer I'd like these people to make money. I get a healthy portion of my daily entertainment from channels where they're clearly working to earn their viewership.
water_wendi
Water is not wet!
Dont. And you sound fine.
JacksUsername
Member
Maybe people who put time into editing, creating graphics, writing, VO recording, lighting, etc. Just because you don't care about content you create shouldn't devalue the work and care others put into their videos. Posts like this just come off as so obnoxious and dismissive of a problem.
jacksepticeye
Member
Reminds me of the comments I usually get on my videos
"Holy fuck, you sound gay as fuck, kill yourself"
Sadly this is word for word
dude its free ! if half these motherfuckers had to pay to upload, THEY WOULDN'T. youtube would be completely irrelevant. its low risk and potentially high reward. google can do whatever they want.
Juliet's 8½ Spirits
Banned
Judgment day is upon the lets players
Karak
Member
One reviewer to another. Your voice is fine. Which should mean as much to you as someone saying it doesn't...as in NOT AT ALL! Keep on keeping on man.
Make comments be authorized or have someone keep tabs on them. Either way I delete anything not review related. Let people get pissed I don't care. I want review discussion not random dudes calling each other queer.
I never said that was me in my example. I actually love my job and get paid well. I'm not jealous or anything but that doesn't mean I can't find it wrong.
And as for the Michael Bay thing, that's a totally different argument. Despite your opinion of him, he worked his way up, went to university, and managed to get money because people for whatever reason love to watch his films in a completely different industry. The issue isn't what people do with their money, it's how they earn it.
On the other hand, someone on Youtube(yes I've even seen 12-13 year old kids) can get a few subscribers and BOOM paycheck in the mail and it all goes great from there. I can imagine kids saying, "why go to college/school if I can just make a bunch of money playing games on Youtube!" It's not like current LPers who monetize are using their degrees to their advantage. Editing videos and stuff only takes a few tutorials to get the hang of. Anybody could do it.
What bothers me is that I've seen plenty of LPers today basically admit that they have no backup plan and they'll keep doing what they do "as long as you guys support us!" That's just immature IMO.
I've vaguely skimmed over this thread but I feel the need to speak my stance.
As others have said we don't watch lets plays to only watch the video game. The personality that is playing it is the reason I watch. I recently watched "NothernLions" lets play of Terraria, all 31 episodes(each of which were around 15 minutes long) . But at the end of it he was overpowered and pretty much bored with the game. But after watching I knew I wanted to play, so I got the game.
As others have said we don't watch lets plays to only watch the video game. The personality that is playing it is the reason I watch. I recently watched "NothernLions" lets play of Terraria, all 31 episodes(each of which were around 15 minutes long) . But at the end of it he was overpowered and pretty much bored with the game. But after watching I knew I wanted to play, so I got the game.
Tom Nook Sawyer
Member
It's a job. I'd wager very few people have a back-up plan for if they get laid-off or fired. I don't see why you're singling LPers out.
CambriaRising
Member
Yeah I was thinking the same thing while reading that.
Complex Shadow
Cudi Lame
Holy shit. What the fuck youtube.
jacksepticeye
Member
I don't have the time to sift through and approve different comments. I get like 500 a day
Plus I'm not really complaining about it as such, just pointing it out more than anything. I may not like what people say about me but I don't want to disallow them saying it, freedom of speech and all that.
Yeah cos people with normal jobs always have back up plans.
Karak
Member
Ya it can be a large number. I sift through a thousand or so a time. I just don't think that calling someone a fag ir gay is something that is in any way defensible on a comment. But that's just me.
Dusk Golem
A 21st Century Rockefeller
I've actually been hit very little by this so far. Some, and some of these claims are definitely bogus, but its a very minor part of the 1500+ videos I have. I am a YouTuber, I do make money off my videos, I know some may think of it as a sin or something but I also use the money I earn to go back into games, and like to support developers by buying multiple copies of games I enjoy to give to others, and mostly play smaller titles or titles most people haven't heard of (and a lot of horror games, as I love horror).
Some ones that caught my attention:
-The final part of my Rule of Rose LP was marked with copyright, no other part. The apparent reason? Rain. Apparently the sound effect of rain was copyrighted? The problem? The sound effect in question of rain was uploaded MUCH later than when Rule of Rose released, meaning the sound of RAIN was matched with some APPARENTLY COPYRIGHTED sound of rain uploaded a few years later.
-Some small indie game I played which has an original soundtrack and a small RPG Maker game was tagged as being owned by Capcom.
-At least five different companies have taken claim of various random Silent Hill videos of mine claiming the audio belongs to them. And only one of them is from Konami.
-A lot of suspicious audio claims I should mention.
Some ones that caught my attention:
-The final part of my Rule of Rose LP was marked with copyright, no other part. The apparent reason? Rain. Apparently the sound effect of rain was copyrighted? The problem? The sound effect in question of rain was uploaded MUCH later than when Rule of Rose released, meaning the sound of RAIN was matched with some APPARENTLY COPYRIGHTED sound of rain uploaded a few years later.
-Some small indie game I played which has an original soundtrack and a small RPG Maker game was tagged as being owned by Capcom.
-At least five different companies have taken claim of various random Silent Hill videos of mine claiming the audio belongs to them. And only one of them is from Konami.
-A lot of suspicious audio claims I should mention.
JacksUsername
Member
Agree whole-heartedly.
I also think there's great value to the consumer with these YouTubers as well. Even though I'm not a huge fan of his, Total Biscuit's video on War Z helped bring enough attention to the fact the game was broken and eventually lead to people analyzing it even more, finding misleading information, and it getting temporarily taken down from Steam. No main press outlet was covering the game at the time. If it weren't for the amount of viewers he had, many more might have been duped into picking it up, or the developers may have gotten away with it completely.
Time isn't free. You seem to be under the impression that just because you didn't invest much time or effort into your videos, that has to be true for everyone. The extreme measures Google is implementing is not beneficial for the general audience at all, so when you say something like 'who give a shit' to the topic, it's a bit insulting to video creators who value their work and people who value the videos.
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
I don't watch TV much anymore. Longplays, Let's Plays, Walkthroughs supplement my entertainment or background noise along with documentaries, news, etc. So I'm getting quite a bit of entertainment out of these videos.
I know a lot of people who do the work to edit videos, and it certainly seems like a full-time job at times if they do have an audience to appeal to. It depends on the person, of course, but while it's a hobby for some of the people I know, they do put a lot of their spare time into it and end up churning out something polished enough to be viewable and user-friendly in terms of watching.
With that said, I know one person who does playthroughs who just doesn't want to monetize his videos because he knows that it's not completely his own thing. The part where he writes text commentary for his 'walkthrough' videos in captions are his, but the other half of the product isn't. And he spends a lot of time editing his stuff and playing the game a certain way to make appropriate edits. Part of it is playing the game well enough to make a good take. Lots of work going into production, but they just don't feel it's necessary to monetize.
There are other people who I know who do treat this as a little more than a hobby and put so much time and effort in editing their videos and producing them that they do feel it's necessary to get a small cut. Some people, for example, are games reviewers, so this is their work. Or they might see it as extra money to put towards something like, I dunno, Christmas presents or textbooks or something. If that's what they're doing.
I guess my perspective, it simply depends on the person based on what they want to do with it. I don't think it's a bad thing to monetize it if they're doing a good job with it. I don't think it's a bad thing for them to not feel like it's necessary to monetize if they just see it as a thing to do in their spare time despite pouring a lot of time into it.
I know a lot of people who do the work to edit videos, and it certainly seems like a full-time job at times if they do have an audience to appeal to. It depends on the person, of course, but while it's a hobby for some of the people I know, they do put a lot of their spare time into it and end up churning out something polished enough to be viewable and user-friendly in terms of watching.
With that said, I know one person who does playthroughs who just doesn't want to monetize his videos because he knows that it's not completely his own thing. The part where he writes text commentary for his 'walkthrough' videos in captions are his, but the other half of the product isn't. And he spends a lot of time editing his stuff and playing the game a certain way to make appropriate edits. Part of it is playing the game well enough to make a good take. Lots of work going into production, but they just don't feel it's necessary to monetize.
There are other people who I know who do treat this as a little more than a hobby and put so much time and effort in editing their videos and producing them that they do feel it's necessary to get a small cut. Some people, for example, are games reviewers, so this is their work. Or they might see it as extra money to put towards something like, I dunno, Christmas presents or textbooks or something. If that's what they're doing.
I guess my perspective, it simply depends on the person based on what they want to do with it. I don't think it's a bad thing to monetize it if they're doing a good job with it. I don't think it's a bad thing for them to not feel like it's necessary to monetize if they just see it as a thing to do in their spare time despite pouring a lot of time into it.
jacksepticeye
Member
Eh that's just the internet. Plus when people write a comment and then see "must wait approval" they're less inclined to comment again good bad or indifferent