I similarly have no stake in this and will happily strum the tune of snark as everyone continues to shout from their metaphorical rooftops that the world's burning.
The only way to solve capitalism is with more capitalism.
Massive Gaming YouTube Channels Getting 100s of Flagged Videos Continuously
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BlazeHedgehog
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It's no surprise that a lot of GAF would rather side with the big game developers instead of the little guy. There are some people here who also equate buying used games to piracy.
A lot of them probably also don't understand anything but the broadest strokes of copyright law (not that I'm an expert either, but given I run a Youtube channel of my own I have looked in to the matter more than most people). They just hear that it is "illegal" from somebody and well that's all that matters, right?
It's that kind of thinking that made all this copyright stuff such a bitch to deal with in the first place.
BlazeHedgehog
Member
I don't know why anybody would be okay with a publisher squelching burgeoning forms of entertainment just so they can make a couple of extra bucks on the side.
I approve of this, these kids like Ghost Robo, ALI-A are using YT to get rich...
guys like El Presador just being his crazyness self is what youtube needs to be about
Angry Joe, Francis thats what we need more of, personas entertaining with actual talent ON CAM talent.
Ghost Robo has zero on cam personality, and its just a rich kid playing games, DSP is cool because he does more than
gameplay vids. ALi-A is just a guy showing off he can play shooters, even that girl Sniperwolf is just making COD more of
a Joke, go see her vids it will make you throw COD out of the window.
more personas with on cam talent, enough with the kids and random people taking advantage of YT.
guys like El Presador just being his crazyness self is what youtube needs to be about
Angry Joe, Francis thats what we need more of, personas entertaining with actual talent ON CAM talent.
Ghost Robo has zero on cam personality, and its just a rich kid playing games, DSP is cool because he does more than
gameplay vids. ALi-A is just a guy showing off he can play shooters, even that girl Sniperwolf is just making COD more of
a Joke, go see her vids it will make you throw COD out of the window.
more personas with on cam talent, enough with the kids and random people taking advantage of YT.
jakonovski
Member
Indeed, that's why societies need to decide on laws that stop publishers from exerting unreasonable control over the use of their products. I think it's pretty obvious that the Youtube explosion has been overwhelmingly beneficial for the consumer, and thus a strong argument exists that it should continue.
TyrantGuardian
Member
Because it's literally free advertising, and crazy amounts of it, for starters.
BlazeHedgehog
Member
You sound more jealous than concerned with the law.
Why would you format your post like that?
PotionBleue
Member
It's not literally free advertising. So far publishers have been giving up ad revenue so that “YouTubers” who enable monetization could get them.
We do not have numbers; claiming all content and gathering ad revenue may well be more interesting than letting a few dozen people getting it because “free advertising”. There would be plenty of people still making videos of the games for free, especially now that capture cards are widespread and consoles start having integrated solutions.
jakonovski
Member
You speak like making these videos is a trivial matter, which of course couldn't be further from the truth.
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PotionBleue
Member
It's not like if publishers care if there is a crapton of money to make. This push can't come out of nowhere, I'm just thinking about the reasoning behind the change.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Every one of those applies to rentals, too.
Wait. What's wrong with the Google+ integration, is it the real names thing? They still allow nicknames I thought.
I actually am glad either way. I've seen way too many spoiled people making money off playing other people's games as a substitute for a job. I'm not saying it's not a "real" job or anything, but the thought of someone working their ass somewhere for countless hours and dealing with customers, issues, etc. making less than a kid who makes Minecraft videos every day is seriously fucked up to me.
If you wanna play games and show other people, do it for fun because you enjoy it, do it for free. Not just to get a paycheck.
That's just my thoughts on this issue.
If you wanna play games and show other people, do it for fun because you enjoy it, do it for free. Not just to get a paycheck.
That's just my thoughts on this issue.
I didn't say i was okay with it. I was quite shocked when i found out just how much money these youtubers make off of it though
Some of this ''advertising'' from youtubers could be negative, especially from youtubers like DSP. Do you think publishers really want their customers to be watching their game while a racist bigot is shouting over it and calling it shit? That is literally what DSP does. Maybe publishers just want to choose who gets to advertise their games?
Mass Effect
Member
Does anyone know if this is affecting video game music remixes or covers? Or if it might in the future?
jakonovski
Member
Pleading jealousy is getting really old.
And to be honest I think the filing process is literally just the owners submitting their own content. There needs to be some gray area between "the content owner gets all the money" and "the video uploader gets all the money", and also differing levels of action - why is every video matched automatically de-added?
To me the biggest issues are in Youtube's court; sizable issues are in the publishers' (I can get that they don't want others making money but they need to look at how many of these people they treat like media, having them in presentations etc) and then also why do the uploaders just assume they should be able to make money from it?
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Should kids appear in movies and commercials for free? Would that spare your ego enough?
jakonovski
Member
The argument is that publishers should just have to grin and bear it, because the consumer is more important than their desire for control.
PotionBleue
Member
This whole mess pretty much doesn't affect you if you don't monetize your videos. If you do, composers/rights owners can put claims on your content automatically via YouTube's Content ID system and you'll have to provide proof you have written authorization to upload a cover of the work.
Sure, they'll always be some who do it purely out of passion, but they will necessarily will produce less content because their livelihood must come from elsewhere.
Additionally, most with talent enough to actually make money off of it will just avoid games that there'll be a problem with. What we'll be left with are a handful of talented true amateurs and a whole lot of crap videos for any games whose developers take this stance.
Jealous of what?, these kid most were not even around when Original YT was up, I just want to see more on cam personality
not rich kids thinking their COD time wasting means anything and they are on a craze uploading vids just to take advantage of YT.
I see ElPresador made a vid about this, he explains it clearly that YT on cam personality is more interesting than
Kids posting videos of gameplay, thats a fact and I hope YT goes further and perhaps brings out personality out of these
Ghost Robo types and ALi-A just random kids all giddy over freaking COD smh
I am genuinely curious. If you have a job why do you receive a paycheck? Do it because it is so much fun and you love to do what you do. Let your bills pile up and just keep doing what you love. Whether or not you consider their profession, which is entirely self funded and started out of their personal expense and effort, to be a legitimate job their income and way of life is being screwed with. I hardly think if someone came in and basically store your paycheck and way of life you would be very appreciative if a guy on the internet considered your job to be illegitimate.
BurnOutBrighter
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They should, as long as they are authorised to, by the content owner.
PotionBleue
Member
That could also mean more diversity, i.e. less of the same channels uploading videos. No one's asking everybody to put up 3 new quality videos a day.
Exactly. Sure is a lot of bitterness in this thread.
jakonovski
Member
Why? How does society benefit from giving this power to the so called content owners?
I know a couple of fairly big YouTubers who have had to either get a part time job or move to a different place with lower rent. This wasn't going to last forever, and you better make damn sure you had planned ahead for other methods of income. Some of those big YouTubers are extremely socially inept though, and I actually don't even think they could conduct a proper job interview.
Last I heard, Youtube approached big companies with these plans. It was a collaboration. If it wasn't, this would have occurred piecemeal and over a long period of time, rather than all at once.
BlazeHedgehog
Member
It's not Youtube's fault if you're stuck in a shitty job that doesn't pay you well enough.
If you're going to get mad at how people get money they don't deserve, get mad at hollywood guys like Michael Bay. Dude spends more money blowing up cars than you make in a year. He is literally lighting money on fire. Hundreds of thousands of dollars for an explosion that lasts all of 8 seconds in the movie.
I would live comfortably for a year on the money they'd save if they exploded one car less.
There's no reason to take out your frustrations on people who have fun with their jobs and get paid more than you for it.
Mass Effect
Member
But is that actually happening? Or are you just talking in-theory?
I don't see how this increases diversity. People who aren't doing this as a way to make money aren't affected either way; we have their videos now.
I also see why I wouldn't want 3 quality videos a day from a dedicated channel.
Diseased Yak
Gold Member
If it keeps going at this rate, YouTube will fall off everyone's radar and indeed get replaced. I just don't see Google's endgame here. Why destroy something you paid a lot of money to acquire by removing the exact things that made it popular in the first place?
The mind boggles.
Well, I can't say anything that hasn't already been said. But I really view this as people watching these for the person doing the let's play. The let's plays that have millions of views (which would be the videos that these companies feel they are losing money to), have those many viewers because of the person - not the game they are playing.
So in that sense, I don't feel like they are making money off someone else's work. They are just playing games (which is their hobby), and what they paid for. They are playing what they paid for, and people are watching them play it. And if they are good enough (if the video's are edited nicely, if the personality of the person is entertaining, and if their output of content is steady and of quality) - that's why they get that many people watching their channel.
I don't really get why these companies feel like they are getting cheated out of profit. It's not like they are putting up their own videos for monetary purposes, and getting cut out of it. If no YouTube videos existed of people playing it, it's not as if they suddenly would be making more money from YouTube. So then, the only argument is that they believe that people are not paying for the games, and would rather watch people play it. But that's just silly.
While I know not all videos are being taken down, and are instead just being flagged, it's still really shitty/petty.
So in that sense, I don't feel like they are making money off someone else's work. They are just playing games (which is their hobby), and what they paid for. They are playing what they paid for, and people are watching them play it. And if they are good enough (if the video's are edited nicely, if the personality of the person is entertaining, and if their output of content is steady and of quality) - that's why they get that many people watching their channel.
I don't really get why these companies feel like they are getting cheated out of profit. It's not like they are putting up their own videos for monetary purposes, and getting cut out of it. If no YouTube videos existed of people playing it, it's not as if they suddenly would be making more money from YouTube. So then, the only argument is that they believe that people are not paying for the games, and would rather watch people play it. But that's just silly.
While I know not all videos are being taken down, and are instead just being flagged, it's still really shitty/petty.
BlazeHedgehog
Member
When you refer to them as "rich kids" that definitely sounds like jealousy to me. You can't stand the fact that people out there are getting popular (and more importantly, paid!) for something you do "for free".
Even if you don't realize it, that's absolutely what it sounds like.
Dealing with the internet (their customers) is far simpler than face to face interactions is news to me. The internet mob is a lot more capricious and temperamental than your average customer who usually don't care about or know about things you say or do outside of work.
These guys producing content takes so little effort it doesn't deserve to be paid is such a great revelation. I guess I can spend hundreds to thousands of dollars on streaming and editing equipment, spend hours on end actually making such content, struggle to find an audience in the hundreds of thousands who will subscribe and quit my day job no problem.
PotionBleue
Member
Yes, it'shappening.gif
Multiple monetized videos got claimed since the recent change because they contain music, trailers, cutscenes and the content owners want the ad revenue. Some of these are false claims though because of wrong identification or because content owners do allow monetization.
Partenered people have better exposure in search results, featured videos etc. so if many of those people lose their monetization privileges you'll have more room for non-monetized content. Just look at the Gaming→Popular homepage: the majority are partners.
The retrospective aspect of this stuff really sucks, particularly since there has been so much ambiguity surrounding individual publisher's policies with respect to uploaded content. Hopefully publishers and devs will make their stances clearer and in the future Youtubers can tailor their content in a way that matches the interests of both parties and everyone knows where they stand.
I think in any gaming video we should expect the publisher/copyright owner AND the youtuber to share in the advertising benefits of that video but the question is what proportion is fair, and thats a near impossible question to answer since it so often depends upon the type of game and the specific value the video provides. Publishers have to realise that there is some balance here whereby they get optimal exposure of the game with minimal cut+paste content-ripping where youtubers remain incentivised (financially) to produce quality content with real added value.
I dont think Twitch is going to evade this type of action either and we should expect the crackdown to be arriving on livestreams in the near future (although Im less knowledgeable of how lucrative streaming on twitch can be). Publishers should be careful what they wish for here - they can't afford to bite the hand that feeds them. As Sterling says, they're looking more and more obsolete as time goes by.
I think in any gaming video we should expect the publisher/copyright owner AND the youtuber to share in the advertising benefits of that video but the question is what proportion is fair, and thats a near impossible question to answer since it so often depends upon the type of game and the specific value the video provides. Publishers have to realise that there is some balance here whereby they get optimal exposure of the game with minimal cut+paste content-ripping where youtubers remain incentivised (financially) to produce quality content with real added value.
I dont think Twitch is going to evade this type of action either and we should expect the crackdown to be arriving on livestreams in the near future (although Im less knowledgeable of how lucrative streaming on twitch can be). Publishers should be careful what they wish for here - they can't afford to bite the hand that feeds them. As Sterling says, they're looking more and more obsolete as time goes by.
You can count on it.
Sounds like someone spends their whole day working customer service, hates it, and is jealous that they can't make money doing something they love.
Recording, editing and mixing content is long, arduous work. Good on the people that can do it and make a living off of it.
And keep in mind, there are people that do this stuff for companies like IGN. Shoud they go out and get a real job?
BlazeHedgehog
Member
But that's cause and effect, isn't it? The partnered people put more effort in to their videos, get paid for that effort, and therefore redouble that in to even greater effort on the next video. One good video pays for the next good video, so on and so forth in to (theoretical) infinity.
What you're saying is like "network TV is better than public access" and well, no shit.
It makes one wonder how far down the rabbit hole Google's end game goes.
Whether or not they are actively doing the same is irrelevant.
I think you need to think of it from a game creator's perspective. If you create a product, you would likely feel some sort of ownership of it, and someone broadcasting the entirety getting millions of views with the associated ads revenue would likely feel pretty shitty. I know people will say, I'd be flattered my work is being used, but I just don't buy that if the shoe was on the other foot. It's situational. I don't think people are considering the perspectives in this situation, and are coming at it from the "publishers suck and are trying to control what I can do" angle.
Personally, I don't feel a lot of these these Let's Play creator's have the right to monetize these videos in this way, and I don't take issue with publishers trying to de-monetize them. The amount of work involved or using those revenues for a living has no bearing on whether or not they should be entitled to do so in the first place. Because they have so much work involved and stuff riding on them does not legitimatize their existence.