Vita PSN Game & Service Thread | December 2013 |

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Takao said:
Bringing Vita TV over will only bring focus to how poor Vita's app selection is in North America. It's not in a position to battle Chromecast, and Roku.



Yeah, probably.



I don't believe the problem stems from having separate licenses. I know that Nintendo does include a free Unity license for Wii U if you buy that platform's devkit from them. It's why Wii U is almost always one of the platforms listed in Kickstarter campaigns. I don't follow Microsoft's dealings enough to know, but apparently they're offering a similar solution for XB1. It was hoped that Sony would follow, but they aren't. A Vita Unity license is $5000, with the PS3 and PS4 licenses costing $15k. I believe that's above the price of each platform's devkit.

I'd make a thread, but like you, my French is pretty horrible.



Do you have the newest version of MU? http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=727381
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I do, yes, and it seems to only work for certain games? I've tried it on spelunky(Gaf will murder me for this one, the music is great don't get me wrong guys!) and it cuts off right after the initial loading screen, also tried tearaway, and no go(IT WAS THE ONE PHYSICAL GAME IN MY VITA ATM! I love the music in it too promise) Gonna try soul sacrifice and a few others now
 
welp, played FFV and it froze when you first see the spring in the first cave. Dammit.

Anyone barely starting out in Soul Sacrifice? Gonna start it up again after only playing like 3 chapters
 
zulux21 said:
I really think it will be worth to release it just as a ps4 extender.
I plan on getting the vita tv when it's released here so I can stream my ps4 to the bedroom from the living room, and play a few MP vita games on it... that is all I need it for.

It might not sell a ton here, but it's definitely more suited for places not named japan.
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So position it as something not intended to help Vita?

The reason they launched in Japan is pretty clear now. That's a market which values the game software it provides, and doesn't have an expectation regarding the streaming services it should have.
 
Omerta said:
I can see a future for the vita tv as a component to be packages inside Sony TVs...

Just throw one in - if they can sell the things for $100 then they cost fuck all to make.

Sync up a DS3 or 4 and the vita catalogue gets some extra life.
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.. That would actually make sense for sony. I mean, it's not like they're able to sell their tv's without it. That being said, I find it more likely that they'll bundle it with PS4.
 
I don't think the Vita TV had much of a hope in any region. The only thing it has going for it is the price for a gaming machine, and even that is diminished by the Vita memory card situation. It has terrible games software compatibility, and a limited selection of media apps. Why should Japan care about a non-portable Vita that can't play all Vita games? Why should the west care about a poor streaming device that is more expensive than a Roku or Apple TV?
 
So are ps1 classics done? I've been wanting some new ones since I've played most of the ones I'm interested in.

Plus I lost some of my game discs and don't want to spend 100+ to replay them :(
 
Takao said:
So position it as something not intended to help Vita?

The reason they launched in Japan is pretty clear now. That's a market which values the game software it provides, and doesn't have an expectation regarding the streaming services it should have.
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unfortunately, yes. It would make more sense to market it as an add on for the ps4 that allows you to stream the ps4 to other tvs as well as allows you to enjoy games from the vita library as well as a large selection of PS1 and psp classics. Ideally software sales will pick up a bit after more people try out some random vita games with their ps4 extender.

In general the vita library isn't considered must own by the general public, and a lot of appeal of a number of the games is being able to play them on the go. Most indie games that come to the vita from here on out will also come to the ps4 with the same quality or better performing versions so someone who is really interested in the indies would likely just get a ps4 (or a gaming pc) instead.

There aren't any big vita titles announced right now that would drive the general public out to buy a vita even at $100....

so yeah, I would try to sell the vita tv with the ps4 and just hope it helps in the long run.

Wazzy said:
So are ps1 classics done? I've been wanting some new ones since I've played most of the ones I'm interested in.

Plus I lost some of my game discs and don't want to spend 100+ to replay them :(
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The ps1 classics aren't done. Both monkey paw and working designs has shown interest in releasing more. We might not have many more though unless the ps4 gains support for them (which really there isn't a logical reason why it shouldn't get ps1 support to some degree in 2014 (even if it's a smaller selection than before due to licencing issues) since a ps1 emulator shouldn't take much effort to get running at all.
 
Basileus777 said:
I don't think the Vita TV had much of a hope in any region. The only thing it has going for it is the price for a gaming machine, and even that is diminished by the Vita memory card situation. It has terrible games software compatibility, and a limited selection of media apps. Why should Japan care about a non-portable Vita that can't play all Vita games? Why should the west care about a poor streaming device that is more expensive than a Roku or Apple TV?
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A poor media streaming device? Completely agree. At least until some deals are struck and decent apps are released for it (very unlikely). More expensive? I doubt so.

However, there is no doubt some value on it for PS4 owners. It allows them to play their PS4 games on other TVs at home without having to move their PS4s or get new ones. It also provides cheap access some Vita and PSP games to users who simply won't play those just because they are on handhelds.

Anyway, as always, the market will speak for itself. I have no idea if Vita TV will do well if released here, but I feel it could at least become a niche device among PS4 owners.
 
AmanoBuff said:
A poor media streaming device? Completely agree. At least until some deals are struck and decent apps are released for it (very unlikely). More expensive? I doubt so.
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I don't really see any reason to doubt the more expensive part. The Vita TV will retail for at least $75 in NA (likely $100 or more) meanwhile fully featured roku HD systems go on sale for $40-$50 all the time. I mean the roku 3 released this year at $100 and has already seen big sales on it as well, and will likely be replaced with a newer better model next year so drop even more in price and have a ton more app features than the vita TV could ever hope to have.
 
Wazzy said:
So are ps1 classics done? I've been wanting some new ones since I've played most of the ones I'm interested in.

Plus I lost some of my game discs and don't want to spend 100+ to replay them :(
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There may be more coming. Konami is sluggishingly working at getting Suikoden 2 on US PSN for one.
 
I'd buy a vita tv if you could connect an external hard drive and it could play any sort of file.

There are two chances of that, though...
 
Takao said:
So position it as something not intended to help Vita?

The reason they launched in Japan is pretty clear now. That's a market which values the game software it provides, and doesn't have an expectation regarding the streaming services it should have.
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Yes. You position it to best support playstation and Sony, you don't limit it just for the sake of vita.

label it PlayStation TV or similar and have it as a general gateway to play Stationgaming. Old PS1 games you remember for your youth, PSP and Vita games, remote play for PS4 and gaikai. Actually I wonder if they'll wait until gaikai launches and release Vita TV alongside it?
 
mrklaw said:
Yes. You position it to best support playstation and Sony, you don't limit it just for the sake of vita.

label it PlayStation TV or similar and have it as a general gateway to play Stationgaming. Old PS1 games you remember for your youth, PSP and Vita games, remote play for PS4 and gaikai. Actually I wonder if they'll wait until gaikai launches and release Vita TV alongside it?
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if gaikai works well that is quite possible. I mean gaikai is set to support the ps3, ps4 and vita so there is no reason to think it won't work with the vita tv. If you could advertise a product that would allow you to play 3 generations of playstation consoles,as well as both generations of hand helds (obviously select games all around but they won't clearly say that), as well as use apps such as netflix all for $100 you might have a legit chance of having it sell decently.

on a different note Sly Cooper: Thieves in Time seems to be $10 on amazon for the vita or 15 for the cross buy ps3 version.
 
AmanoBuff said:
A poor media streaming device? Completely agree. At least until some deals are struck and decent apps are released for it (very unlikely). More expensive? I doubt so.

However, there is no doubt some value on it for PS4 owners. It allows them to play their PS4 games on other TVs at home without having to move their PS4s or get new ones. It also provides cheap access some Vita and PSP games to users who simply won't play those just because they are on handhelds.

Anyway, as always, the market will speak for itself. I have no idea if Vita TV will do well if released here, but I feel it could at least become a niche device among PS4 owners.
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If it streams PS4 to other TVs as well as it does to a Vita screen (ie., with lag and at half the frame rate), nobody should buy it.

The Vita is great, but Vita TV is junk. It doesn't do anything well. I really can't believe they released that thing without it actually being able to play seemingly most Vita games, and still saddled it with the same memory cards that have throttled the life out of the Vita since the beginning.

Its market is nobody with any sense, which is why its sales have been awful. It's really one of the worst conceived pieces of hardware I've seen since the 90s.
 
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vireland said:
Not necessarily. There are a number of reasons a PSOne classic isn't on the Vita store, but does show up on PSP and PS3. Generally it means:

1. There's a glitch or glitches in the emulation that requires a waiver to allow it to be listed. This needs to be actively pursued by the publisher.

2. Oversight. Publisher staying on top of this can get the oversight corrected and the game listed.

3. There's a game-killing emulation glitch. This cannot be fixed by the publisher but may be directly or indirectly addressed in future Vita emulator updates.

In the case of #1 and 2, those games can be "side loaded" to Vita by downloading them to the PS3, then transferring them to the Vita. They will play fine. In the case of #3 case, you're outta luck.
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Steel said:
You are correct.
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Ta.

andurilflame said:
Grats on the new vita! =)
Technically you don't need another memory card, but its a lot of hassle because you have to wipe and restore your memory card every time you swap accounts (on top of the reset system to factory settings)
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That's two new handhelds within the space of about two weeks! #TEAMHANDHELD

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Yeeeah, running multiple accounts from one memory card is not a thing I'm going to be doing if I have to go through that process each time. When I upgrade to a larger card in the future I'll make my 16GB an alternate, I reckon.
 
LiveFromKyoto said:
If it streams PS4 to other TVs as well as it does to a Vita screen (ie., with lag and at half the frame rate), nobody should buy it.

The Vita is great, but Vita TV is junk. It doesn't do anything well. I really can't believe they released that thing without it actually being able to play seemingly most Vita games, and still saddled it with the same memory cards that have throttled the life out of the Vita since the beginning.

Its market is nobody with any sense, which is why its sales have been awful. It's really one of the worst conceived pieces of hardware I've seen since the 90s.
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So the actual performance of the device is sub par? I didn't know that. I just based my opinion on hands on that several western sites had. Is streaming really bad?

Compatibility is definitely my main gripe with Vita TV as it is. I understand that some titles will never be compatible, but Sony should have made sure to have a lot more titles available for it from launch.

Sidenote: lol at that tag. It's great.


Takao said:
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So that's why FFV is available now? The emulator received a stealth update with the latest firmware. If that is the case, it's good to know someone at Sony cares. But man they take their sweet time!
 
Takao said:
This is certainly a blow to indies on PlayStation platforms.
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It seems that some people below wrong understood this article, my english isn't perfect but I'll try to sum up:

Game devs understood that Sony would offer the Unity licence (as Microsoft and Nintendo) to get more games on its PlayStations. Maybe because of the verb "offer" in the title of this press release:
http://us.playstation.com/corporate...orm-strategic-partnership-to-offer-unity.html

So some devs have started to develop with Unity for PlayStation, but now Unity is asking them money (a big amount according to the game devs: $5-15,000 depending on the PlayStation) and that's very difficult for small companies. Devs are unsure they can sell enough games to pay Unity, they could decide to cancel games.

Why this misunderstand? Sony PR didn't want to comment and Unity PR promised a comment that has not arrived. Unity hasn't confirm the PlayStation licence prices either, but it seems they're to expensive for indies anyway.

Hope it helps!
 
AmanoBuff said:
So the actual performance of the device is sub par? I didn't know that. I just based my opinion on hands on that several western sites had. Is streaming really bad?
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Remote play with Vita has evident lag, but it hasn't been too bad for me, but I've only really used it over a local network. The frame rate is capped at 30, so it only cuts the frame rate in half for certain games.
 
Elvick said:
Shocking how many people think that video games in digital form are like an .mp3.
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A friend of mine was angry with Sony because they were releasing the PS4 when the PS4 was released 3 years ago! (Wait, what!? <- My reaction)

But, why not thinking that way? I mean. PS1 -> PS2 was backwards compatible and PS2 -> PS3 was it at first. GC -> Wii -> WiiU too. People usually don't know about technology and are used to play their old games in their new consoles (well, kinda) so it's kinda normal to see them confused and think everything is a conspiration because they want us to buy those games again.

Takao said:
Bringing Vita TV over will only bring focus to how poor Vita's app selection is in North America. It's not in a position to battle Chromecast, and Roku.
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Don't worry, SCEA will ignore the Vita TV after the first month in the market. If they really wanted to battle with Chromecast and Roku they'll create the new apps themselves if necesary. They won't. It'll end as a PS4 extender in NA for some hardcore gamers and that is all.

I actually have faith (not much) that it could do "better" in EU. I think the Vita performs better here, SCEE at least tries to do something (for better or worse) and it's priced more agressively. I've seen Vita + KZ:M + 8GB / Vita Megabundles at 169€, for example.

Flandy said:
Just beat BioShock Infinite guys
WAT THE FUCKING WAT.
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Did you played both Bioshocks? Which one do you like the most? And the Infinite's ending is fucking amazing. I kept thinking about it for around one week because I didn't understand what happened exactly.
 
PVG24 said:
It seems that some people below wrong understood this article, my english isn't perfect but I'll try to sum up:

Game devs understood that Sony would offer the Unity licence (as Microsoft and Nintendo) to get more games on its PlayStations. Maybe because of the verb "offer" in the title of this press release:
http://us.playstation.com/corporate...orm-strategic-partnership-to-offer-unity.html

So some devs have started to develop with Unity for PlayStation, but now Unity is asking them money (a big amount according to the game devs: $5-15,000 depending on the PlayStation) and that's very difficult for small companies. Devs are unsure they can sell enough games to pay Unity, they could decide to cancel games.

Why this misunderstand? Sony PR didn't want to comment and Unity PR promised a comment that has not arrived. Unity hasn't confirm the PlayStation licence prices either, but it seems they're to expensive for indies anyway.

Hope it helps!
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Yikes. I hope that clears up and people can get back to making games on vita, I love playing indies on it.
 
What the fuck? Soul Sacrifice goes on sale today, but it's free on the 24th for ps+
Soul Sacrifice (PS Vita)
Was €34.99/AU$47.95/£29.99, now €19.99/AU$24.95/£14.99
Additional 10% discount for PS Plus members
 
Flightmare said:
What the fuck? Soul Sacrifice goes on sale today, but it's free on the 24th for ps+
Soul Sacrifice (PS Vita)
Was €34.99/AU$47.95/£29.99, now €19.99/AU$24.95/£14.99
Additional 10% discount for PS Plus members
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Only reason a Plus member would get it is for if they plan on not resubbing to PS Plus, but even then...Plus is a good service for Vita and you need it to store your save data.
 
Flightmare said:
What the fuck? Soul Sacrifice goes on sale today, but it's free on the 24th for ps+
Soul Sacrifice (PS Vita)
Was €34.99/AU$47.95/£29.99, now €19.99/AU$24.95/£14.99
Additional 10% discount for PS Plus members
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I'll save that money for Soul Sacrifice Delta. But if the game wasn't a January PS+ game I might have actually bought it. I know Rayman Legends is going to be on PS+ sooner rather than later and I bought it.

I did my part, now give me Child of Light, Ubi :)
 
Flightmare said:
What the fuck? Soul Sacrifice goes on sale today, but it's free on the 24th for ps+
Soul Sacrifice (PS Vita)
Was &#8364;34.99/AU$47.95/£29.99, now &#8364;19.99/AU$24.95/£14.99
Additional 10% discount for PS Plus members
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Maybe this is geared towards the trial users or those looking to have the game permanently on their cards?
 
Blimey, i only started tearaway yesterday and ive just found out Im two levels until completion. Great game, charming as hell with a great soundtrack but ridiculously short and easy.

edit - for the price i paid though i think its worth it.
 
Basileus777 said:
Remote play with Vita has evident lag, but it hasn't been too bad for me, but I've only really used it over a local network. The frame rate is capped at 30, so it only cuts the frame rate in half for certain games.
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I'm no expert, but I've not noticed any lag. It's probably there, but it's not affected my playing. Of the games I've tried though, some are obviously better than others (Resogun is passable if you really can't use the TV, AC4 is brilliant, Knack is pretty good). I wasn't expecting to even work, so I'm really happy (I use an Ethernet cable though, that might be a factor).
 
I know the sale is not only for ps+ subscribers, but what a weird fucking timing, having the sale days after the ps+ announcement
 
I am buying this sucker 20th December. I'm buying it 'cuz of the amir0x Tearaway thread... I'm gonna browse other PS Vita games now... hopefully this thread will help me with that.

I also have PS+.
 
Yoshichan said:
I am buying this sucker 20th December. I'm buying it 'cuz of the amir0x Tearaway thread... I'm gonna browse other PS Vita games now... hopefully this thread will help me with that.

I also have PS+.
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You're EU PSN right? Keep in mind that most PSX games are 50 Hz, worse offenders being the FF games.
 
Yeeeeep. Any way to solve that though? Can I somehow download the 60Hz games on my EU Vita?

Also, which free PS+ games will I be able to get on day 1 (20th December) through PS+?
 
Can I play Vita games on my TV (connected to my PS3/4)?
 
Yoshichan said:
Can I play Vita games on my TV (connected to my PS3/4)?
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No.

As for your previous questions, the current PS+ line-up is:

[PS4] Resogun
[PS4] Contrast
[PS3] Grid 2*
[PS3] Remember Me
[PS3] XCOM Enemy Unknown
[PS3] LittleBigPlanet Karting
[PS3] Dragon's Dogma: Dark Arisen*
[PS3] Uncharted 3 Single Player (requires the free to play version of U3)
[PS3/Vita] Guacamelee
[Vita] Uncharted: Golden Abyss
[Vita] Gravity Rush
[Vita] Sonic & Sega All Stars Racing Transformed*
[PSP/Vita] GTA: Liberty City Stories

The asterisked games will be removed from the collection Christmas Eve, to be replaced by:
[PS3] DmC Devil May Cry
[PS3] Borderlands 2
[Vita] Soul Sacrifice
[Vita] Blazblue: Continuum Shift Extend

(Contrast will be removed 8th January, to be replaced with Don't Starve).

As ever, if you "buy" the games for $0.00, you can carry on playing as long as you remain a PS+ subscriber. There is literally no reason to not grab all of the games, outside of cluttering your Download List. If you let PS+ lapse, you'll get the games back when you re-subscribe (but honestly, why would you let PS+ lapse?).
 
Thanks so much. That's a fantastic list.
 
As for Vita TV journey to the west - as stated its needs rebranding and they should remove the vita card slot or rework to a SD/micro SD for user supplied media and be format friendly.

Vita content should only be supplied digital like ps1, psp and hopefully gakai.

And yes it needs a whole host of quality apps to stand a chance here.

The hardware guys did a good job making the system only to be failed by the groups responsible for software planning and content purchasing.


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Anyone know the difference between using FedEx or EMS when buying from NipponYaSan?

Which is less likely to get snagged by customs?
 
Yoshichan said:
Yeeeeep. Any way to solve that though? Can I somehow download the 60Hz games on my EU Vita?

Also, which free PS+ games will I be able to get on day 1 (20th December) through PS+?
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Sadly no, the Vita, atm only allows for 1 account on its system, no games from your US PSN account for example can be copied if you have an EU account on it.

If you plan on getting PSX games, I would strongly suggest using a US account on your Vita.

However, if you still wish to use your EU account, then no biggy, but make a list of PSX games you'd be interested in and post them here in the Vita thread and we'll be able to tell you which ones are 50 Hz optimized or are actually 60 Hz. Off the top of my head: the Spyro and RE games are 60 Hz on EU PSN, or at least they should be.
 
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