Pai Pai Master
Banned
They should have just made every game for the last 20 years cap out at 1024x768, plenty of people used that resolution at one point.
Technology progresses. Why intentionally limit your game?
Durante pls: Metal Gear Rising PC won't support higher resolutions than 1080p
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They should have just made every game for the last 20 years cap out at 1024x768, plenty of people used that resolution at one point.
Technology progresses. Why intentionally limit your game?
Automatisch
Member
Can people stop making excuses for Japanese developers? Regardless of whether or not they have experience with PC games development, they should have this shit fixed, be it in-house or via an outsourced group that is competent.
Loss for Words
Member
Let's see here:
Dark Souls: 720p/30fps/GFWL. Durante fixed it
Deadly Premonition: 720p/60fps. Durante fixed it.
Metal Gear Rising: 1080p/60fps+.
So not only are the big Japanese Shit Ports getting progressively better; there is a precedent of modders ironing out the issues. Why exactly are people losing their shit over this?
Dark Souls: 720p/30fps/GFWL. Durante fixed it
Deadly Premonition: 720p/60fps. Durante fixed it.
Metal Gear Rising: 1080p/60fps+.
So not only are the big Japanese Shit Ports getting progressively better; there is a precedent of modders ironing out the issues. Why exactly are people losing their shit over this?
Mudcrab said:
Again, this is assuming the game's 2D UI elements were made in a way that is flexible and not entirely dependent on a fixed resolution.
Not that it should take a ton of work if the UI was made like the latter (hell, if they can rework the UI manually for 1080p they should have reworked it to by dynamic), but it's not as simple as changing a single buffer's size.
I'm not making the argument that people are boycotting it because of this stuff, just that it has no bearing on the quality of the port.
BronsonLee
Member
Because it's not Durante's job to do that.
Though at this rate he should just charge people for it since they seem to freaking expect it now: for example, the pathetic title to this thread
Backfoggen
Banned
You know what I like to do on PC is sometimes to boot up an old-ass game. Games that probably were running at 800x600 when they came out. Now the cool thing is I can set those to render at 1920x1080 so they display natively on my monitor.
Now replace "800x600" with 1920x1080 and 1920x1080 with 3840x2160.
Now replace "800x600" with 1920x1080 and 1920x1080 with 3840x2160.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
Because the people we are giving our money to are the ones that should be putting the effort in.
Yeah I hate options, too!
Why does it bug you so much that we get to play games the way we want?
I play console games at 720p on my TV all the time and it looks fine.
Also a plus, I can comfy couch.
i don't know if you're joking or not but a port like this seems in no way "broken" on release
out of the box this will cream the console versions, just by a smaller margin than people expected it to
too bad you cant fix a console game even if you try.
WyndhamPrice
Member
I remember when Doom 3 came out it was like a game from the future because a bunch of the graphics options just didn't actually exist in the real world yet
InfiniteNine
Rolling Girl
Better off just reporting him since he posted he wished Rising would have stayed on consoles only in the Amazon leak thread.
Nevermind, I thought you were being serious. Sorry, you'll have to forgive me I'm still new to GAF. It's hard to tell the joke posts from the rest sometimes.
Is there any way you could get an explanation for why 1080p is the limit? I'm just desperate to know if my guess about UI elements is right, lol.
InfiniteNine said:
lol, that is some sad shit.
This isn't some problem endemic to Japanese developers/publishers. Capcom, Sega and even Konami with Lords of Shadow put out great ports. You also have games like Darksiders which are not Japanese which were pretty poor.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
If only there was some way to play a PC game on a TV and sit on the couch while playing it....
You need to just stop.
I think the worst we can expect with that are UI elements that don't scale up in size rather than something that is misaligned. I'm only speaking from my experience with hundreds of PC games but I don't think I've seen anything that puts UI elements in the wrong location if a high resolution is selected*
A bunch of modern games have the small-UI-at-high-resolutions problem but I'd still rather have that than a game that doesn't allow high resolutions at all.
*(misaligned UIs happen frequently when converting old 4:3 games to widescreen, though)
InfiniteNine
Rolling Girl
I used to do that regularly till my tv got stolen! It's wonderful.
You can do this on PC too and just ignore every single option
yea so fuckin silly of people to be disappointed in the lack of a basic feature and voicing their desire for it
I feel like this is gonna be even more polarizing than the usual PC vs Console bitchfests because this particular port only negatively affects the highest-end PC users who play in 1440p on 120hz monitors. 1080p/60 is pretty much what I intend to play the game at anyway.
ShinMaruku
Member
I am not even mad because I expected this. After dark souls if people did not see this coming, well...
You really want people to become console-only gamers don't you?
Lords of Shadow was developed by MercurySteam, a Spanish based studio. It's actually true that the Japanese aren't as interested as their western counter parts when it comes to PC development, simply because the Japanese PC market is abysmal. It doesn't mean that they can't do it, but it's very likely that they simply aren't interested in it.
No I just want PC Mustard Race to stop thinking of our consoles as "inferior".
copelandmaster
Member
I hope Platinum doesn't pull a Sonic Generations and lock this to 60. Total Bullshit.
CrackPebbles
Member
Im not really huge into the pc stuff so can someone tell me if most pc ports go over 1080p? like is it a given most of the time?
Trolling threads is going to achieve that.
This thread is so about that. Sure.
That's how it traditionally is with PC games, sure, but PC games have been made for ranges of hardware since the earliest days. I honestly think that there are differences in Western and Japanese development approaches at a fundamental level because of this, and I'd guess that even Western console exclusives are built to be a bit more hardware-flexible than your typical Japanese game as a result.
But these are guesses. I'm going by slightly earlier Japanese PC ports and games. Stuff like PSO, Guilty Gear, Shikigami no Shiro, etc. Many have fixed resolutions despite being GPU-driven 3D games, and if they do offer multiple resolution options they tend to be fixed lists. And these are mostly from the early 2000s, when many Western PC games were using GPUs and used pretty much all GPU-supported resolutions. I think that the more modern Japanese-developed ports that are flexible in this area (Capcom's non-outsorced games) are still an anomaly put out by teams that are maybe ahead of the curve or using middleware like UE3.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
Last gen consoles are factually inferior to most gaming PCs.
Why are you taking it personally and posting shit like "I wish this game would stay exclusive to consoles"?
Why does it even matter if you are perfectly satisfied with the experience that a console serves you? They wouldn't sell so much if that wasn't the case for many people.
Stop shitting up this thread which has nothing to do with consoles.
Hey PC Master Race Users are the only ones that shit up threads about different platforms!
The Holy Console warriors obviously keep their rhetoric confined to their threads and don't shit on PC Gaming Threads!
Thats a massive lie! You know that it would take a $1000+ Computer to run The Last of Us on a PC at console settings! /s
SouthernGangstaNerd
Banned
Am I on 4chan? I can't tell the difference.
Well Lords of Shadow's PC port wasn't even done by MercurySteam, which is why I added the caveat of publishers and not just devs. Though yea, it's fair that this is more of a lack of desire than technical ability I guess.
Because its the customers place to fix things that other developers don't tell their customers to fix themselves.
There's something I just don't understand in situations like this: Why is there a limitation to the engine's output resolution with modern games? Going back to the mid 90s, Quake engine games can/could be pumped up to silly resolutions, and while the rendering might come to a crawl, that was dependent on the hardware.
What's changed to create these engine-level limitations?
What's changed to create these engine-level limitations?
VisceralBowl
Member
Sorry if I am uninformed, is there controller support for the PC version?
OT: Wanted to downsample this, but I guess not
OT: Wanted to downsample this, but I guess not
Yep. This will probably be perfect for downsampling. Can't wait.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
For me, it's not about whether or not we can do it ourselves.
When I pay a company money for a product they're selling me I expect them to put in the effort to make it the best product they can.
If I love a game and I want to continue to enjoy it for years to come, I would appreciate a developer supporting higher resolution configurations so I don't need to jump through a million hoops later on down the road.
It's not even that much work for them to do it. Konami probably just told them not to bother because they don't know what they are doing and think it's going to cost them considerably more money and manpower.
What I don't expect is for company PR to send out a tweet asking for an unrelated third party to make their game more feature-complete.
I'd imagine so. If not I think that would be worse news than the resolution thing. I'm sure plenty of people will be playing this with controller.
Yeah a lot if PC gamers will be running 4k displays in a few years, it'd be a shame for the game to be forever stuck at 1080p.
That's not what I'm saying. It's shit that the have these limitations in the first place, but some of the posts earlier in this thread were pretty crazy. I figured if people were that angry they might also look into how to fix the problem instead of going to Durante every time.
Again, It's shit that the have these limitations in the first place.