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[Gaiff]

Reality
Do you know how human brain works? All these fps talks are just introspection illusion. On neurological layer things really work differently

Coming from the internet neurosurgeon.

Lol.

 

[Felessan]

Coming from the internet neurosurgeon.

Lol.

It have nothing to do with surgery
Its a well known knowledge if you want to know how you think, what's driving factors and what's limitations - and it's based on neurobiology and cognitive psychology, not neuromedicine.
It takes ~0.3 sec from the time light of picture reach you eyes to the time you move you fingers on joystick thumb/kbms - and it's hilarious how people seriously think that 0.01ms of display lag brings a very important difference to gameplay.

But its no surprise on PCMR reaction - those usually tech guys with very narrow field of knowledge.

 

[Gaiff]

It have nothing to do with surgery
Its a well known knowledge if you want to know how you think, what's driving factors and what's limitations - and it's based on neurobiology and cognitive psychology, not neuromedicine.
It takes ~0.3 sec from the time light of picture reach you eyes to the time you move you fingers on joystick thumb/kbms - and it's hilarious how people seriously think that 0.01ms of display lag brings a very important difference to gameplay.

But its no surprise on PCMR reaction - those usually tech guys with very narrow field of knowledge.

Source: your butt

 

[Felessan]

Source: your butt

Educate yourself a bit

Mental chronometry - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I was even generous, for 2-choice response, meaning you have to make simpliest decision in process, it's 0.5sec reaction time

 

[Gaiff]

Educate yourself a bit

Mental chronometry - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

A wikipedia article about a subject you know nothing about without empirical testing when it comes to games or input latency. And it says none of the things you said a few posts ago.

Great rebuttal. Pun intended.

 

[Felessan]

A wikipedia article about a subject you know nothing about without empirical testing when it comes to games or input latency. And it says none of the things you said a few posts ago.

Great rebuttal. Pun intended.

D - denial

Read an article, it's good and cover wide range of reactions
Even simpliest non-conditional reactions like reaction to light have a minimum base of 0.1-0.2sec and anything that requires actual recognition/analysis/decisions are way more than that

 

[The Cockatrice]

So higher fps just a different type of brain comfort compared to image quality, it doesn't really affect how good or bad you play aside some very very narrow scenarios like competitive FPS at very high skill levels where you get new information for you predictions some ms earlier.

It's not a simple yes or no difference, there are like a ton on factors that can impact someones perception of framerates. To say theres no difference between 30 to 60 to 120 and so on is to pretty much dismiss the entire concept of what you are talking about, aka mental chronometry. Different type of brain comfort as you put it, is extremely simplified when it's more than that. Even if your reaction time is shit your visual sense will still see a noticeable difference between different frames. The brain is a complicated human feature.

 

[Felessan]

It's not a simple yes or no difference, there are like a ton on factors that can impact someones perception of framerates. To say theres no difference between 30 to 60 to 120 and so on is to pretty much dismiss the entire concept of what you are talking about, aka mental chronometry. Different type of brain comfort as you put it, is extremely simplified when it's more than that. Even if your reaction time is shit your visual sense will still see a noticeable difference between different frames. The brain is a complicated human feature.

Visual sense is that comfort of a brain I am talking about. Your brain might see difference between 500p and 4K and between 30fps and 120fps and find latter in both cases to be more enjoyable. But its perception, it doesn't affect gameplay. Game will be more enjoyable and as a result you might play more dedicated and concentrated improving results, but 10ms by themselves will change nothing.

PS. I don't see any difference between various fps if it's stable from like 20-25 fps.

 

[The Cockatrice]

Visual sense is that comfort of a brain I am talking about. Your brain might see difference between 500p and 4K and between 30fps and 120fps and find latter in both cases to be more enjoyable. But its perception, it doesn't affect gameplay. Game will be more enjoyable and as a result you might play more dedicated and concentrated improving results, but 10ms by themselves will change nothing.

PS. I don't see any difference between various fps if it's stable from like 20-25 fps.

Brain comfort is all we do/have since we're born. Theres no difference between puting your dick in the vagina of an ugly woman vs a pretty woman, however it sure is nice if it's pretty thus resulting in you ejaculating faster. Same thing applies to frames, the more comfortable you are, the better your reactions are. Like I said, it's not as simple as you put it. There is in fact a gameplay difference because thats how we perceive it and yes it is also true that some may not perceive any improvements.

 

[Felessan]

Same thing applies to frames, the more comfortable you are, the better your reactions are. Like I said, it's not as simple as you put it. There is in fact a gameplay difference because thats how we perceive it and yes it is also true that some may not perceive any improvements.

There should be a clear distinction between real impact, like you having ~real~ 20% increase in reaction time due to faster receiving information and psychosomatic factors. Because placebo is non-direct effects that are highly subjective, non-stable and might not be present at all. Better fps might get you play better or might not, it depends on person and situation.
And fps is not unique in this regards - higher resolution, better graphics even comphy sofa compared to gaming chair all have psychosomatic effects and by the same notion they all "real" but not really real.

Just to reminder - fps remark was about statement that resolution/graphics don't impact gameplay and fps do. In reality they all are in the same ballpark those don't really have impact on gameplay by physical mesures but might have some due to psychological comfort.

 

[The Cockatrice]

There should be a clear distinction between real impact, like you having ~real~ 20% increase in reaction time due to faster receiving information and psychosomatic factors. Because placebo is non-direct effects that are highly subjective, non-stable and might not be present at all. Better fps might get you play better or might not, it depends on person and situation.
And fps is not unique in this regards - higher resolution, better graphics even comphy sofa compared to gaming chair all have psychosomatic effects and by the same notion they all "real" but not really real.

Just to reminder - fps remark was about statement that resolution/graphics don't impact gameplay and fps do. In reality they all are in the same ballpark those don't really have impact on gameplay by physical mesures but might have some due to psychological comfort.

We've gone past what is real and what isnt a long time ago. We just accept things as they are, same discussion can be made with frame-gen, which is also about perception. Some complain they're not "real" frames, but at the end of the day, does it matter if what we perceive is the same or at least very close to it? Anyway I believe everything can impact gameplay, just depends on each.

 

[Felessan]

We've gone past what is real and what isnt a long time ago. We just accept things as they are, same discussion can be made with frame-gen, which is also about perception. Some complain they're not "real" frames, but at the end of the day, does it matter if what we perceive is the same or at least very close to it? Anyway I believe everything can impact gameplay, just depends on each.

You - maybe. I never forget what is real and what is not.
Because it affect how things are reached, it stability and dispersion, that in turn define probability how things will be improved for particular person, me for example.
If it would be physical improvement it always gives the same results for everyone - like neural interface will give 100-200ms reaction advantage over those who use classical means by moving limbs.
For psychological stuff it random whether you get it, at what scale and whether your play is improved or not. You like 60fps and so it's advantageous for you, I don't see and don't care, so for me going from 30 to 60 is a huge loss, as I get nothing but sacrifice a lot of IQ. As a result I do like my Quality modes and always will be vocal for them to stay. And will never agree to those who advocate that 60fps is a must for everyone and has some tangable advantages