Super Smash Bros Wii U and 3DS Thread 3: Ridley's Believe It or Not!

Ryce said:
Character select screen/roster prediction time!

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The empty boxes will fill in as more characters are revealed. I'm mainly posting this because most of the rosters I see follow the series placement of Brawl's select screen, which is unlikely since each of the three Smash Bros. games to date have had completely different layouts. I really like the idea of Mario, Link, Kirby, and Pikachu forming the "core" of the select screen with the guest characters scattered to the corners.
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My prediction!
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Ryce said:
Character select screen/roster prediction time!

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The empty boxes will fill in as more characters are revealed. I'm mainly posting this because most of the rosters I see follow the series placement of Brawl's select screen, which is unlikely since each of the three Smash Bros. games to date have had completely different layouts. I really like the idea of Mario, Link, Kirby, and Pikachu forming the "core" of the select screen with the guest characters scattered to the corners.
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I really like your layout since your idea is pretty solid with four core characters in the middle of selection screen. I will make the prediction list based on your layout.
 
Ryce said:
Character select screen/roster prediction time!

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From top, left to right, and adding an extra box to the start and end of the bottom row:

Row #1: ROB - Wario - Yoshi - Dixie Kong - Diddy Kong - Donkey Kong - Fox - Falco - Wolf - Ice Climbers - Wii Fit Trainer - Mr. Game & Watch

Row #2: Solid Snake - Rosalina & Luma - Peach - Bowser - Luigi - Mario - Kirby - Meta Knight - King Dedede - Pikmin & Olimar - Villager - Pac-Man

Row #3: Sonic - Mewtwo - Lucario - Pokemon Trainer - Jigglypuff - Pikachu - Link - Zelda/Sheik - Ganondorf - Toon Link - Toon Zelda/Tetra - Mega Man

Row #4: Little Mac - Captain Falcon - Roy - Ike - Chrom & Lucina - Marth - Samus - Pit - Palutena - Lucas - Ness - Mii

Could someone fill it in as described? Wish there was a way to squeeze in Takamaru on that template, since I can totally see him making the cut.
 
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1. R.O.B
2. Wario
3. Yoshi
4. Dixie Kong
5. Diddy Kong
6. Donkey Kong
7. Fox
8. Falco
9. Wolf
10. Mii
11. Wii Fit Trainer
12. Mr. Game and Watch
13. Snake
14. Rosalina
15. Peach
16. Bowser
17. Luigi
18. Mario
19. Kirby
20. Metaknight
21. King Dedede
22. Pikmin and Olimar
23. Animal Crossing
24. Pac-Man
25. Sonic
26. Lucario
27. Jigglypuff
28. Pokemon Trainer
29. Mewtwo
30. Pikachu
31. Link
32. Zelda
33. Ganondorf
34. Toon Link
35. Captain Falcon
36. Mega Man
37. Lucas
38. Ness
39. Ike
40. Roy
41. Marth
42. Samus
43. Pit
44. Palutena
45. Takamaru
46. Little Mac

I would like to add few more but 46 slots are pretty tough to deal with.
 
Neiteio said:
From top, left to right, and adding an extra box to the start and end of the bottom row:

Row #1: ROB - Wario - Yoshi - Dixie Kong - Diddy Kong - Donkey Kong - Fox - Falco - Wolf - Ice Climbers - Wii Fit Trainer - Mr. Game & Watch

Row #2: Solid Snake - Rosalina & Luma - Peach - Bowser - Luigi - Mario - Kirby - Meta Knight - King Dedede - Pikmin & Olimar - Villager - Pac-Man

Row #3: Sonic - Mewtwo - Lucario - Pokemon Trainer - Jigglypuff - Pikachu - Link - Zelda/Sheik - Ganondorf - Toon Link - Toon Zelda/Tetra - Mega Man

Row #4: Little Mac - Captain Falcon - Roy - Ike - Chrom & Lucina - Marth - Samus - Pit - Palutena - Lucas - Ness - Mii

Could someone fill it in as described? Wish there was a way to squeeze in Takamaru on that template, since I can totally see him making the cut.
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Could probably add another character and a "random" box in the bottom row.
 
Okay, so here’s how my roster prediction currently looks:

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The usual OCD stuff:

Wario’s next to Pac-Man (they both like to eat)
Falcon is above Olimar (“Captains”)
Falcon is next to the Star Fox characters (shared universe)
Olimar is next to the Kirby characters (tiny characters)
Olimar is next to Villager (2001 Nintendo EAD creations)
R.O.B. is next to Mega Man (robots)
Snake is above Sheriff (weaponry!)
All the RPG characters are together
All the Disk System characters are together
The new guests are diagonal from each other and so are Brawl’s guests

Some comments…

Dixie Kong
I wouldn’t be surprised to see Dixie in the game, but I also wouldn’t be surprised to see her excluded. I really think her inclusion depends on whether or not Sakurai knew she’d be in Tropical Freeze when he was putting the roster together. Otherwise, it’s tough to justify including her without that push.

Sheriff
Really, this could be any bizarre historical character, but I went with Sheriff for the time being so I could attach a name to the box. I definitely don’t think he’s set in stone.

Zoroark
I’m still one of the crazy few who believe Zoroark has a good shot at being included. The arrival of X/Y doesn’t mean Black/White/Black 2/White 2 don’t exist, and the roster needs more post-Brawl characters. The Dark type is unrepresented within the roster of playable Pokémon characters, so there’s a lot of room for a unique play style. I’m sure Sakurai could do something with the Illusion ability as well. I’m not behind Zoroark 100%, but I do think it’s more likely than most people want to believe.

Characters I could see being included but didn’t put on my roster:

Toon Zelda
Zelda is big enough to deserve another character, and I’m absolutely convinced Toon Zelda would be next on deck. Given that Sakurai has repeatedly stated how important it is that newcomers offer something unique, I wouldn’t be surprised to see a Zelda clone excluded. I also don’t know if Sakurai would want to include a third “magical princess”-type newcomer after Rosalina and Palutena. That might be overkill.

Chrom
Chrom’s popular, but he’s also really boring. Between Marth and Ike, Chrom just doesn’t seem necessary. A Chrom & Lucina pair character would remedy that, but I’m not sure how technically feasible a character like that would be since Sakurai couldn’t get Diddy & Dixie to work together in Brawl.
 
Ryce said:
I'd be pretty shocked to see more than 50 characters, honestly.
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Working under the assumption that all 39 Brawl vets return then we're already at 43. Assuming some of the newcomers are hidden, then we aren't looking at many more reveals which doesn't seem like the case considering Sakurai just blew a character trailer on a December Direct which didn't really pertain to Smash.
 
Toon Zelda, meh. We already have two Links. I really don't think we need two Zeldas. I agree the Zelda series could use another rep, but I'd much rather have an original Zelda character.
 
Gartooth said:
Brawl had what, 39 unique characters? I think we're lowballing the number of characters here.
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Well, they have to work on all of veterans so that would take some times to do. Technically if we are going to see all 39 characters to coming back so it will take most of their times to work on those 39 characters.
 
Gartooth said:
Working under the assumption that all 39 Brawl vets return then we're already at 43. Assuming some of the newcomers are hidden, then we aren't looking at many more reveals which doesn't seem like the case considering Sakurai just blew a character trailer on a December Direct which didn't really pertain to Smash.
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For all we know, Rosalina's reveal could be to tide us over until E3 where Sakurai plans on making major announcements at a quicker pace. We could get a newcomer at E3, a newcomer in July, a newcomer in August, and then the game's release in September. That leaves room for three hidden newcomers.
 
IntelliHeath said:
Well, they have to work on all of veterans so that would take some times to do. Technically if we are going to see all 39 characters to coming back so it will take most of their times to work on those 39 characters.
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The Brawl -> Smash 4 changes don't seem as drastic as Melee -> Brawl at first glance. Also Sakurai has a strong dev team to work with this time, Tekken games for instance always have a crazy cast size.
 
I've been away from the thread for a few days, so can anyone tell me if that great Smash 4 wallpaper that was being updated by a user here has gotten a new update with Rosalina/Luma? I'd love to get the updated version if so!
 
IntelliHeath said:
Well, they have to work on all of veterans so that would take some times to do. Technically if we are going to see all 39 characters to coming back so it will take most of their times to work on those 39 characters.
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They're very clearly using Brawl as a base for the returning characters. They're touching them up and tweaking them of course, but most of the work is already done for returning characters.
 
Berordn said:
There's a chance, but it's still a bit of a stretch to assume that the majority of the Smash fanbase is eager to make the jump to a small screen version. It seems more likely to me that both versions would flounder rather than the 3DS just absorbing that audience.
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highly, highly unlikely
well actually that would just screw Nintendo over so much, so rofl if that were to happen because of a huge delay in release dates

Gartooth said:
Working under the assumption that all 39 Brawl vets return then we're already at 43. Assuming some of the newcomers are hidden, then we aren't looking at many more reveals which doesn't seem like the case considering Sakurai just blew a character trailer on a December Direct which didn't really pertain to Smash.
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this is not likely
anyway they'll probably be around 50 counting transformations, but not 50 characters on the selection screen
 
I also doubt everyone from Brawl will return. It just isn't feasible.

I can see Ike, Lucas, Diddy Kong, and Lucario getting cut. My guess is that Chrom will replace Ike, Mother will go back to being repped by just Ness, Diddy may get changed into a combination Diddy/Dixie "character" like Ice Climbers/Rosalina & Luma/Pikmin & Olimar, and Mewtwo will replace Lucario.

I would also guess that R.O.B. is on the chopping block, but he brings some real uniqueness and weird repping to the roster, so maybe not.

Just my speculation...
 
theprodigy said:
this is not likely
anyway they'll probably be around 50 counting transformations, but not 50 characters on the selection screen
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I don't see why not, cuts happened in Brawl due to time constraints and (Mewtwo aside) most of those cut were clones. Assuming that the Melee characters that made it to Brawl are safe, who would be first on the chopping block? This becomes even more nebulous given the announcement of a character like Toon Link.
 
Two underrated potential newcomers:

Tactician ("My Unit" from FE Awakening): Would be a much more unique choice than Chrom, who I can only imagine either being a Marth/Ike hybrid or an Ike replacement. He would also represent the magic and strategy elements of the series.

Dr. Lobe (Big Brain Academy): While not as big of a series as Brain Age, Dr. Lobe seems like he could easier be given a moveset since he has a body. He could spawn math equations, puzzle pieces, use his teaching stick etc. It would be a nice symmetry with Wii Fit Trainer to represent both pillars of the Blue Ocean strategy.
 
Okay GAF, you are now Sakurai. You just realized that due to systemwide virus
or whatever
you must recreate the entire Smash Bros. game. You can only fit five stages and ten characters (Transformations like Shiek only count as one, and you're only allowed a max of three transformations per character) into the game before you must release it.

Create!
 
Gartooth said:
I don't see why not, cuts happened in Brawl due to time constraints and (Mewtwo aside) most of those cut were clones. Assuming that the Melee characters that made it to Brawl are safe, who would be first on the chopping block? This becomes even more nebulous given the announcement of a character like Toon Link.
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that's what they all say
if they weren't in the final game, the developers didn't want them, there is no "well we might add them next time"

SkullHydra said:
Okay GAF, you are now Sakurai. You just realized that due to systemwide virus
or whatever
you must recreate the entire Smash Bros. game. You can only fit five stages and ten characters (Transformations like Shiek only count as one, and you're only allowed a max of three transformations per character) into the game before you must release it.

Create!
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are you ok
 
Ryce said:
Character select screen/roster prediction time!

iOigzcO.png


The empty boxes will fill in as more characters are revealed. I'm mainly posting this because most of the rosters I see follow the series placement of Brawl's select screen, which is unlikely since each of the three Smash Bros. games to date have had completely different layouts. I really like the idea of Mario, Link, Kirby, and Pikachu forming the "core" of the select screen with the guest characters scattered to the corners.
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Poor Ridley. He wants to be with his pal Samus, but she just keeps giving him the cold shoulder and sitting between Marth and Pit.

Also, I still can't believe Yoshi hasn't been announced.
 
SkullHydra said:
Okay GAF, you are now Sakurai. You just realized that due to systemwide virus
or whatever
you must recreate the entire Smash Bros. game. You can only fit five stages and ten characters (Transformations like Shiek only count as one, and you're only allowed a max of three transformations per character) into the game before you must release it.

Create!
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no
 
theprodigy said:
that's what they all say
if they weren't in the final game, the developers didn't want them, there is no "well we might add them next time"
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Sakurai's statements saying roster cuts weigh deeply on him suggests otherwise. Mewtwo, Roy, and Dr. Mario all had data on the disc as far as I know. Toon Link effectively replaced Young Link, and there were many other characters left off like Dixie, Toon Zelda, and Plusle + Minun. The only planned "cut" seemed to be Pichu.

The only Brawl character that is at risk is Snake and that has everything to do with being 3rd party.
 
SkullHydra said:
Okay GAF, you are now Sakurai. You just realized that due to systemwide virus
or whatever
you must recreate the entire Smash Bros. game. You can only fit five stages and ten characters (Transformations like Shiek only count as one, and you're only allowed a max of three transformations per character) into the game before you must release it.

Create!
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I would give up and go on to pursue my dream in pottery.
 
SkullHydra said:
Okay GAF, you are now Sakurai. You just realized that due to systemwide virus
or whatever
you must recreate the entire Smash Bros. game. You can only fit five stages and ten characters (Transformations like Shiek only count as one, and you're only allowed a max of three transformations per character) into the game before you must release it.

Create!
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"hey Project M dudes, could you give me your stuff? I'll pay you enough to live out your lives like kings, kthx"

Gartooth said:
Sakurai's statements saying roster cuts weigh deeply on him suggests otherwise. Mewtwo, Roy, and Dr. Mario all had data on the disc as far as I know. Toon Link effectively replaced Young Link, and there were many other characters left off like Dixie, Toon Zelda, and Plusle + Minun. The only planned "cut" seemed to be Pichu.

The only Brawl character that is at risk is Snake and that has everything to do with being 3rd party.
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$10 on any characters cut from Brawl having data on SSB4's discs, provided there's more than one non-Snake cut
 
theprodigy said:
"hey Project M dudes, could you give me your stuff? I'll pay you enough to live out your lives like kings, kthx"



$10 on any characters cut from Brawl having data on SSB4's discs, provided there's more than one non-Snake cut
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This is the only correct answer.

Any data left on the discs could mean some dlc characters.
 
SkullHydra said:
Okay GAF, you are now Sakurai. You just realized that due to systemwide virus
or whatever
you must recreate the entire Smash Bros. game. You can only fit five stages and ten characters (Transformations like Shiek only count as one, and you're only allowed a max of three transformations per character) into the game before you must release it.

Create!
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Waluigi
Cranky Kong
Sandbag
Kraid
Urban Champion
Kursed
Mr. EAD
Igglybuff
Big the Cat
Roy Campbell

All stages are classics: New Pork City, Spear Pillar, Hanenbow, 75m, Rumble Falls
 
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