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[BuggeryBugz]

Nope.

I love these one word replies. At least give a reason why you think differently.

They are good numbers for Microsoft even if they had more stock and Sony didn't. No need to get salty people, videogames are thriving.

 

[Lima]

My god look at these last gen numbers. We gonna ride that cross gen train right into 2015.

 

[benny_a]

I believe someone said between 680k and 908k

That's just the logical conclusion if you look at between what the PS4 sits and which numbers were in the Major Nelson twitter message.

 

[Clockwork]

PS4 is supply constrained. January should be interesting where both should be able to meet demand.

That's the thing. If you release the "Most Awesome Thing" and everyone wants one but you only produced 500k, you are going to sell out but you're still only going to sell 500k.

If you release the "Next Best Thing" and you produced 1 million it might very well sell more then the "Most Awesome Thing" but that's because it was there and available to buy. You could meet demand and still have some sitting on shelves.

Beyond that it means nothing.

In this case we know the demand for Xbox One was 908k. For PS4 demand could have been higher or it could have been lower. We don't know because they did not have units to sell.

I am just glad that the next gen is off to a really strong start regardless of platform.

 

[Eoin]

We have quite a lot of numbers/estimates actually.

US Nov (NPD)
US Dec (NPD)
UK
Spain
Germany
France

Extrapolations can be made for the rest of Europe. Keeping in mind that the dec NPD reports numbers until the 4th of January, the likelyhood that they sold over 3M through even before the end of December is rather low.



I know that. See above.

What was the France and spain total?

 

[xxracerxx]

Oh, and nice spinning to the guys attempting to find ways to somehow find a negative in this.

Huh?

 

[TyrantII]

PS4 still has the lead in the US.
https://twitter.com/JeffGrubb
Microsoft said the 360 beat the PS3, not the PS4.

“According to the latest NPD report, PlayStation 4 remains the cumulative leader for next-gen console sales in the U.S. since its launch on November 15,” Sony spokesperson Dan Race said in a statement provided to GamesBeat. “We sold every PS4 available at retail in the U.S. and were out of stock in December due to overwhelming consumer demand.”

Damn. Sony either did a lot better at launch and second shipment, or the past few have been larger than they seemed...

Staying ahead with zero on shelves is crazy. Especially when you can walk in and buy the XB1.

 

[Amir0x]

This goes both ways.

Senjutsu is always going to be Senjutsu. Just sit back and enjoy the show dragonbane. Things about to get tough for our fair Senjutsu in the new year.

I believe someone said between 680k and 908k

Thank you. Sony was reported to have diverted stock just to hit whatever number they did, and as we can see, demand is still not met. If they sold say 700k or 800k, and demand is not met, one has to assume that the demand for PS4 is still in excess of their competitor.

 

[rudieboy77]

I thought PS4 would have sold more?

 

[kinggroin]

Exactly. So why are you running around excited and happy like MS won already?

.

Excited they won? The fuck I care, I'm going to own the PS4 next month.

And besides, I was more just getting friendly jabs since I got reemed for calling December numbers to be what they are.

Don't let it get to you.

 

[PONGSTAR]

NPD is sold.

Wow, didn't expect numbers like this. Pretty good start. This gen is game on.

 

[Occam]

How strange, I just made a post and it's gone...

OK, here we go again. The numbers for December alone aren't really all that meaningful. The real question is, which console sold how much since launch?

 

[vpance]

Yeah, benny_a clarified. So given what we know, for Sony to have still beat Microsoft's total in North America, what is the range they should have sold in during December? Do any mathematicians have an answer?

Xbone
Nov ~700k in US?
Dec 908k
1600k in 2013

PS4
Nov ~900k in US?
Dec 700k to < 908k

 

[benny_a]

I thought PS4 would have sold more?

It's not a production issue per se. Sony is in over 40 markets now with the PS4. XBone is in..17 iirc. So overall PS4 is easily ahead of the XBone WW. It's just a different approach to take than focusing on fewer countries

Portugal is the country that tips the scale in favor of the PS4.

 

[B.O.O.M]

That's the thing. If you release the "Most Awesome Thing" and everyone wants one but you only produced 500k, you are going to sell out but you're still only going to sell 500k.

If you release the "Next Best Thing" and you produced 1 million it might very well sell more then the "Most Awesome Thing" but that's because it was there and available to buy. You could meet demand and still have some sitting on shelves. Beyond that it means nothing.

It's not a production issue per se. Sony is in over 40 markets now with the PS4. XBone is in..17 iirc. So overall PS4 is easily ahead of the XBone WW. It's just a different approach to take than focusing on fewer countries

 

[Eoin]

I thought PS4 would have sold more?

You can only sell what you have on shelves.

 

[TyrantII]

I thought PS4 would have sold more?

They did. Just not in January.

XB1 has that faster rate though.

 

[oconnomiyaki]

The salt and spin in this thread is amazing. Can't we all just concede that Microsoft had an amazing month, particularly impressive in the face of the price and 720pgate.

 

[xxracerxx]

Xbone
Nov ~700k in US?
Dec 908k
1600k in 2013

PS4
Nov ~900k in US?
Dec 700k to < 908k

From the other thread:

NPD Nov
PS4 1140k
Bone 909k

NPD Dec
PS4 ???
Bone 908k

Bone total 1817k

Cumulative leader=PS4, sold atleast 677k

 

[Eoin]

They did. Just not in January.

XB1 has that faster rate though.

I think you mean December

 

[Clockwork]

It's not a production issue per se. Sony is in over 40 markets now with the PS4. XBone is in..17 iirc. So overall PS4 is easily ahead of the XBone WW. It's just a different approach to take than focusing on fewer countries

The same philosophy of availability not meeting demand still applies.

 

[MaulerX]

So has the 360 outsold the Wii yet in NA? If not it would be any day now.

 

[LowEndTorque]

saw this earlier

According to the latest NPD report, PlayStation 4 remains the cumulative leader for next gen console sales in the US since the launch on November 15," said Sony's senior director of corporate communications, Dan Race."

Thanks. Found the source.

Well, that settles it . Xbox has lost its status as market leader in the US and UK and PS4 is now the current gen market leader in every territory in the world.

 

[Amir0x]

The salt and spin in this thread is amazing. Can't we all just concede that Microsoft had an amazing month, particularly impressive in the face of the price and 720pgate.

It is impressive. But what is behind the numbers is the interesting discussion. Just saying "awesome" does not an interesting discussion make, no? So what may seem to you as 'spin' is an attempt to see exactly how they are doing versus their competitors, and how sustainable it is. This is very important for determining where things will end up in this country.

 

[moai]

The salt and spin in this thread is amazing. Can't we all just concede that Microsoft had an amazing month, particularly impressive in the face of the price and 720pgate.

is this a rhetorical question?

 

[entremet]

XBO numbers seem awfully low given the huge amount of supply.

Nope. Awfully low? Not at all. No console has hit 1M in December after launching in November.

 

[A_Gorilla]

I just realized the fact that the XB1 sold roughly the same in Dec. as it did in Nov, despite all reports and anecdotes suggesting there was ample stock, might be a little troubling.

Regardless, I cannot wait for January NPD now...

 

[koutoru]

To be honest, it doesn't look like the supply issue for PS4 will get much better this month either.

Expect much of the same report for January sales.

 

[LordBaztion]

MS complied well with supply then

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Nope. Awfully low? Not at all. No console has hit 1M in December after launching in November.

No console launching in November has had the level of supply XBO has in December

 

[Alebrije]

I just realized the fact that the XB1 sold roughly the same in Dec. as it did in Nov, despite all reports and anecdotes suggesting there was ample stock, might be a little troubling.

Regardless, I cannot wait for January NPD now...

Yep , January and February will show us a better trend , just wonder how the WiiU wil behave from now on....

 

[B.O.O.M]

The same philosophy of availability not meeting demand still applies.

Not really. Doesn't matter how amazing a product you have you are still bound by reality and the constraints of production. Sony sold over 1 million more than their competition last year. They just chose to do so across more countries than fewer. Within time and production constraints they did fantastic. I doubt any company would look at demand outstripping supply like in this situation and take that as a negative.

 

[Ekoria]

sony dun goofed

 

[Raist]

What was the France and spain total?

Between 50k and 90k sold in France (up to 15th of december).

The rest of for the whole of 2013:
30k in Spain.
100k in Germany.
360k in the UK.

Missing EU markets in which the XB1 has launched are smaller than Spain.

 

[vpance]

From the other thread:

Oh wow, I coulda sworn PS4 and Bone were lower than that in Nov. Damn faulty memory.

Jan and Feb results will be fun.

 

[polyh3dron]

With the presumed supply allocation, this was expected.

 

[xxracerxx]

sony dun goofed

Extrapolate.

 

[Phades]

For some reason I keep reading the OT and thinking combined were the top sales leaders (IE B+C > A+D). It sounds like the 360 did damn well in December. The saturation of the Xbox1 just makes this a bit confusing comparitavely.

 

[Occam]

sony dun goofed

Right.

"PlayStation 4 remains the cumulative leader for next gen console sales in the US since the launch on November 15"

 

[dragonbane]

Senjutsu is always going to be Senjutsu. Just sit back and enjoy the show dragonbane. Things about to get tough for our fair Senjutsu in the new year.

I just want to protect him, show him the right path you know. It doesn't have to be this way

The salt and spin in this thread is amazing. Can't we all just concede that Microsoft had an amazing month, particularly impressive in the face of the price and 720pgate.

MS had a very impressive month. But if someone claims that MS already won the US market you should expect some serious resistance.

 

[Sons Of Anarchy]

They did. Just not in January.

XB1 has that faster rate though.

I am sure you meant December

 

[Mrbob]

I love these one word replies. At least give a reason why you think differently.

They are good numbers for Microsoft even if they had more stock and Sony didn't. No need to get salty people, videogames are thriving.

Didn't realize it needed a big reply, sorry! PS4 is still very tough to find. XB1 is easily available everywhere.

 

[oconnomiyaki]

It is impressive. But what is behind the numbers is the interesting discussion. Just saying "awesome" does not an interesting discussion make, no? So what may seem to you as 'spin' is an attempt to see exactly how they are doing versus their competitors, and how sustainable it is. This is very important for determining where things will end up in this country.

If you want to look at it comparatively, that's one thing. But on the first page:

Xbox one couldn't break 1 million even with all of that stock?

Isn't 900k low for a December with plenty of stock around? What were other consoles first December NPDs like?

Xbone numbers seem low to me.

With the plentiful stock it should have been better than simply steady with November.

Not saying it's the whole thread, c'mon!

I, for one, am glad to see the new consoles flying off the shelves. Millions of happy little gamers out there.

 

[Dragon]

Damn, Xbox One off to an incredible start for a $500 system.

Oh, and nice spinning to the guys attempting to find ways to somehow find a negative in this.

Do you not see the obvious contradiction in your two sentence post? Jesus dude.

Not saying it's the whole thread, c'mon!

I, for one, am glad to see the new consoles flying off the shelves. Millions of happy little gamers out there.

Millions? There's less than two million in the US...

 

[Zeth]

Cross-gen multiplats for three years, minimum! Heh.

 

[dragonbane]

Between 50k and 90k sold in France (up to 15th of december).

The rest of for the whole of 2013:
30k in Spain.
100k in Germany.
360k in the UK.

Missing EU markets in which the XB1 has launched are smaller than Spain.

3 million looks pretty unlikely with these numbers. There is a mistake somewhere...

 

[BuggeryBugz]

MS had a very impressive month. But if someone claims that MS already won the US market you should expect some serious resistance.

Fair enough, but you cannot deny the salt in this thread. Some people are getting really defensive over sales numbers. If they have their console of their choice and are having fun with it, sales of their preferred console shouldn't matter.

 

[fluffydelusions]

Not surprising since you can actually buy them anywhere unlike PS4.

 

[Dragonborn]

So wait, even with a heavily supply constrained PS4 and abundant X1s in every shelve, they're still behind overall in the US? That doesn't sound very good for MS.

Where is the 3 million number coming from? it just doesn't add up.

 

[cookie-monster]

Pretty sure that an increase in supply of PS4 would have mean lowered sales for xbone anyway.