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[Winterfang]

I really wish everyone saying One Piece would actually give a reason as to why. Every time I ask about One Piece the answer I get is "It's like so much better than Naruto and Bleach", why is it so much better?

I heard world building thrown a lot, I agree that there's a lot of checkmark fantasy locations (desert, the clouds, underwater) but they feel a bit disconnected from each other. Naruto's world feel pretty connect and vast with all the villages and stuff and Bleach has the different realms and stuff but in the end all of that only amounts of a different background.

There has to be something more that I don't see, I can't seem to find it. Everything I try to get into One Piece (watching the anime on CN, reading the Manga, watching the supposedly best movie) I get so bored I feel like I'm honestly getting trolled by the fans.

I dislike the crew also, specially Luffy. I like the design of the villains they are definitely more charming than the straw hats.

 

[T'Zariah]

It´s one piece that the most overrated crap in jump. You only have to look at this thread to know how much one piece is. Lol " one of the best fiction ever"

Ichigo is a much better and more developed protagonist than Luffy will ever be.

Most one piece characters are one dimensional characters, who never develop or grow in any way shape or form.

Most power up in one piece are pulled out of the ass without any explanation of how they got it.

Aizen is a better villain and a character than the entirety of the one dimensional one piece cast.

The "art" of one piece is ugly, cluttered, same with the characters.

Not to mention of how Oda always side lines women in the manga.

The world government stood aside and let Blackbeard take Whitebeard´s power. Then they let him go. Really?

Oh yeah, Luffy is second coming of Roger, he looks and acts like Roger more than Ace did lol. Shit writing about incoming Jesus that is an exact copy of the previous one.

One piece is overrated at best and at worst, like Skypia, Fishmen island and Thriller Bark, it´s one of the worst thing in Shonen.

I love how you make these blatantly bullshit statements, and yet you don't back it up with WHY.

It's just "Bleach is good! OP sux1!!!"

:lol

Garbage ass shit.

 

[jrush64]

Stop being such a fucking brat, your incessant whining over and over is grating. One Piece is something that's always been close to me so I'm going to think it's one of MY favorite pieces of fiction, just like I said. To ME. Everything you pointed out is completely untrue, except MAYBE how the women are sidelined a bit. Stop being so daft and face the facts.

But it's alright for One Piece fans to keep trolling Bleach and Naruto endlessly?

 

[The Grim Heaper]

But it's alright for One Piece fans to keep trolling Bleach and Naruto endlessly?

Nobody is trolling, people are stating opinions. Once you start mocking me, I'm going to call you out.

 

[Phoenician_Viking]

I love how you make these blatantly bullshit statements, and yet you don't back it up with WHY.

It's just "Bleach is good! OP sux1!!!"

:lol

Garbage ass shit.

Yes, because you guys explain and back up your garbage ass shit posts, and bullshit statements /sarc

Stop being such a fucking brat, your incessant whining over and over is grating. One Piece is something that's always been close to me so I'm going to think it's one of MY favorite pieces of fiction, just like I said. To ME. Everything you pointed out is completely untrue, except MAYBE how the women are sidelined a bit. Stop being so daft and face the facts.

Look who is talking. The only brat here is you because you can´t just compliment one thing without trashing the others. You are so insecure it´s cute, and you deserve all the mocking that you are getting. Everything i said is true, and lol at maybe. While you spout shit and trash other manga because of your insecurity.

Nobody is trolling, people are stating opinions. Once you start mocking me, I'm going to call you out.

And people can state their opinion without spouting shit. You will be called out when you spout shit crap like you did about Kubo making things up on a weekly basis, while it´s Oda who mention that one piece suppose to last only 5 years and it was prolonged because it was popular.

 

[Brazil]

Most power up in one piece are pulled out of the ass without any explanation of how they got it.

It's impossible to take Bleach fans seriously when they have the guts to bad-mouth other manga for having power-ups pulled out of the ass.

One Piece shouldn't ever be put in the same group as Bleach or Naruto. It's on a whole different level in terms of storytelling, characterisation, how interesting the world and the lore is, fights, backstories, art, and uniqueness.

Bleach and Naruto right now are basically juvenile fanfictions inspired by their own excellent starting arcs.

 

[Winterfang]

I love how you make these blatantly bullshit statements, and yet you don't back it up with WHY.

It's just "Bleach is good! OP sux1!!!"

:lol

Garbage ass shit.

Why instead of dismissing him you don't explain why are his claims garbage. He made a list of points that I would love to see them countered.

 

[TacticalFox88]

It's impossible to take Bleach fans seriously when they have the guts to bad-mouth other manga for having power-ups pulled out of the ass.

One Piece shouldn't ever be put in the same group as Bleach or Naruto. It's on a whole different level in terms of storytelling, characterisation, how interesting the world and the lore is, fights, backstories, art, and uniqueness.

Agreed with all except the bolded.

OP's problem for me is that the lore is far FAR more interesting than the story actually being told on panel.

 

[Yonafunu]

Honestly, Water 7/Enie's Lobby is one of the greatest shounen arcs I've ever read.

 

[Phoenician_Viking]

It's impossible to take Bleach fans seriously when they have the guts to bad-mouth other manga for having power-ups pulled out of the ass.

One Piece shouldn't ever be put in the same group as Bleach or Naruto. It's on a whole different level in terms of storytelling, characterisation, how interesting the world and the lore is, fights, backstories, art, and uniqueness.

Bleach and Naruto right now are basically juvenile fanfictions inspired by their own excellent starting arcs.

What impossible to take seriously is you one piece fans who shit on other manga and consider Oda to be a genius god´s gift to manga. Yes one piece have ass pull power ups all the time. In Bleach and Naruto there are training arc to explain power ups. In one piece Oda shit them up out of his ass without any explanation or anything.

Lol at your second paragraph. Typical one piece fanboy spouting shit on other manga. And characterization? Lol. All of one piece character are one dimensional except for Usoppe who actually developed, while Luffy who lost his brother and had a shit life as a child still acts like a child without any kind of growth or development. Both Naruto and Bleach destroy one piece in character development, and growth. And about the plot, yeah right, after 734 chapters, the plot barely progressed. No one knows the origin of the devil fruits. No one knows much about the lost century. 70% of one piece can be lived without because it does not serve anything but prolonging the manga. And at least in Bleach the women are useful unlike one piece. One piece has nothing unique except the ugly art.

The only thing that is juvenile is your shit attitude and needing to shit on other manga in order to justify your opinion.

 

[woodland]

Why instead of dismissing him you don't explain why are his claims garbage. He made a list of points that I would love to see them countered.

Isn't that what it was on the last page though? The guy made a post about Bleach's characters, how Aizen was a pretty bad villain who was supposedly invulnerable if anyone EVER saw his shikai, how Ichigo is given a set of powers from every being in the universe + deus ex machina for more, etc.

Then Phoenician went on and responded by saying "Aizen's a better villain", "Ichigo's a better hero" and "the world is better", without giving much reasoning. I'm not saying the guy criticizing Bleach worded it perfectly, but he certainly wrote more than Phoenician?

In terms of the thread, people defend x by saying it's about which you enjoy the most, so don't criticize y and z. However, it's about the Big 3. So to have a discussion about which one you enjoy the most, you often have to compare it to others.

Honestly, I think everyone needs to take a step back and calm down.

On topic with the main posts, I do like One Piece however. I read & watched Bleach the latest and loved it, but was kinda let down by pulling a lot of random stuff and never enlighting on other bits. Examples:

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the full hollow thing which saved Ichigo when he died (I guess this is the least BS), the super bonus getsuga tenshou which didn't actually get rid of it's power like he expected, etc. Training his hollow powers to get it all stolen at the end, etc. I wish they would give us more story on Yoruichi (she trained Ichigo how to move fast and comes in periodically to be meat fodder. We get she was head of the assassin squad before that but don't have a ton, etc) and Green-hat dude, along with Yama-jii's 2 son-figure captains with the dual swords.

Naruto used to be my favorite, but I feel like it's less about technique and the mixing of elements like it was at one point and now it's just throwing Bijuu bombs at each other. We went through all that training to control the finesse of chakra into cool techniques, molding the chakra with signs, but now it just looks like they stick their hands out and accumulate energy. Plus there's the whole Sasuke being a lame character, Sakura not doing anything, and Sai disappearing completely for eons (though I never liked him to begin with).

One Piece I started on Toonami and stopped when it went off the air, then came back to it. I honestly just felt like the characters that were main or supporting were developed more and better. The world has an interesting power system (though it's by no means perfect, considering haki seems to be interpreted differently by everyone else). I would agree that the art is too busy sometimes, but I like the actual art style much better, along with the story. Not a greatly written reasoning for any of the three, but I'm not trying to argue as much as answer the OP.

 

[Magwik]

I have a feeling this thread won't be open much longer ...

 

[Cloud Strife]

I really wish everyone saying One Piece would actually give a reason as to why. Every time I ask about One Piece the answer I get is "It's like so much better than Naruto and Bleach", why is it so much better?

I heard world building thrown a lot, I agree that there's a lot of checkmark fantasy locations (desert, the clouds, underwater) but they feel a bit disconnected from each other. Naruto's world feel pretty connect and vast with all the villages and stuff and Bleach has the different realms and stuff but in the end all of that only amounts of a different background.

There has to be something more that I don't see, I can't seem to find it. Everything I try to get into One Piece (watching the anime on CN, reading the Manga, watching the supposedly best movie) I get so bored I feel like I'm honestly getting trolled by the fans.

I dislike the crew also, specially Luffy. I like the design of the villains they are definitely more charming than the straw hats.

Like I mentioned in my post, my main critique of One Piece is that there is literally no character development. Luffy is the same from point A to point B and I was really hoping that when

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ace died he's change somewhat

but he's the same goofy kid he's been since Chapter 1. That in itself has an appeal to some fans but I like to see how characters progress. Oda is great at conceiving characters and making them likable, but they don't develop (as of right now anyway).

As for its positives, One Piece takes almost every generic Shounen stereotype and nails it. The story is massive and well thought, with incredible connections between characters. The fact that Oda has managed to keep this story for 10 years and plans to for another 10 years with increasing popularity is a testament to that. It's a tier-like structure that correlates to power levels that is common for Shounen manga. You have the general pirates and marines that go all the way up to Admirals and Yonkou not even including the Five-Elder Stars and the Revolutionaries which we have almost no knowledge of yet. The story is Luffy's journey from the bottom to the top, but the variety of tiers and characters within them makes almost every confrontation suspenseful and enjoyable. This is a long epic that seems disjointed at times (Foxy-Arc and Skypeia) but is incredibly interconnected in terms of plot progression and Luffy rising to the top.

The actual lore of One Piece is also very interesting. You have historical injustices from both pirates and marines that are unknown to the general public adding mystery to Luffy's adventure as he and his crew slowly uncover the secrets of their world. For example, the

Spoiler

void century, the World Nobles, the Five-Elder Stars, Jokey Boy, Noah, the Ponegliffs

all contribute to making OP seem like a massive puzzle that will culminate in a mind-blowing finale. Plot twists have their fair share as well such as

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Ace being related to Gol D. Roger, and SABOOOOOOO

!!!!

As for the abilities, its subjective but also very interesting. The introduction of Devil-Fruit powers and

Spoiler

Haki

create an interesting balance for the long run that is Luffy's journey of getting stronger. There is a lot of variation to be had here which makes it so cool imo. From Vergo to Robin to Shirahoshi, each character possess unique and quirky powers that are incredibly creative and allow for incredibly creative scenarios.

The environments are also cool. Water-7, Merman Island, Impel Down...the list goes on and on. I wouldn't say these environments are generic, because they're personable. The characters within them are connected to their environments in such a way that every island they visit is vibrant with varying personalities and histories.

While OP is not for everyone, and is intimidating because of its length, these are the reasons I enjoy it and seriously encourage anyone interested to seriously read it from start to finish.

 

[Winterfang]

I'm not really intimidating by the size of it, it's not like is triple the size of Naruto and Bleach, just barely longer.

However I sometimes struggle to understand a chapter when the art gets all over the place and there's a lot of words, then I read the chapter like 3 times and realized nothing really happened. There's a lot of paying issues, with Bleach I usually read a chapter faster than eating a muffin, with one piece I feel like they could get rid of at least 5 pages.

The locations really personalized to be more interesting than their generic fantasy origins but I don't see them as that much better than Naruto or Bleach. Soul society is visually rich and places like Hidden Villain in the Rain are amazing looking.

I like that the place feels like a character, unlike Bleach where the fights can be taking place anywhere and it wouldn't affect anything but again Naruto also has the same. I don't see what makes One Piece that much better than either Naruto or Bleach.

 

[Phoenician_Viking]

Isn't that what it was on the last page though? The guy made a post about Bleach's characters, how Aizen was a pretty bad villain who was supposedly invulnerable if anyone EVER saw his shikai, how Ichigo is given a set of powers from every being in the universe + deus ex machina for more, etc.

Then Phoenician went on and responded by saying "Aizen's a better villain", "Ichigo's a better hero" and "the world is better", without giving much reasoning. I'm not saying the guy criticizing Bleach worded it perfectly, but he certainly wrote more than Phoenician?

Aizen was a great villain who manipulated Soul Society and brought it down to its knees. He amnipulated everyone and got Urahara and vizard on the run from SS, and kept experimenting for 100 years unoticed. Ichigo sacrificed his shinigami powers to defeat, that´s not deus ex machina. The consequence was severe. Aizen never used his shikai on Ichigo because he abandoned his shinigami power since he ascended to higher plain.
Ichigo is a much better main character because he actually develops, and grows as the manga progressed. Shunsui and Ukitake noticed as well of how much Ichigo grew in the manga.

In terms of the thread, people defend x by saying it's about which you enjoy the most, so don't criticize y and z. However, it's about the Big 3. So to have a discussion about which one you enjoy the most, you often have to compare it to others.

One thing is discussing, it´s totally another shit on other manga and spread lies.

Honestly, I think everyone needs to take a step back and calm down.

On topic with the main posts, I do like One Piece however. I read & watched Bleach the latest and loved it, but was kinda let down by pulling a lot of random stuff and never enlighting on other bits. Examples:

Spoiler

the full hollow thing which saved Ichigo when he died (I guess this is the least BS), the super bonus getsuga tenshou which didn't actually get rid of it's power like he expected, etc. Training his hollow powers to get it all stolen at the end, etc. I wish they would give us more story on Yoruichi (she trained Ichigo how to move fast and comes in periodically to be meat fodder. We get she was head of the assassin squad before that but don't have a ton, etc) and Green-hat dude, along with Yama-jii's 2 son-figure captains with the dual swords.

Ichigo´s full hollow appearance was foreshadowed in chapter cover 189.
1- Ichigo´s vizard trainign showed base hollow (lizard form).
2- The more Ichigo fights the more his hollow powers progress. You can clearly see that by the marks on his hollow mask that kept changing the more power he got.
3- In Hueco Mundo, where ot´s the home for hollows and much denser in reshi, it benefited Ichigo a lot.
So the power up was not random and out of the ass at all.

Kubo said he will draw the relationship between Yoruichi and Urahara. And you know i really liked how Kubo gives more characters depth like he did Kenpachi, Unohana, Komamura and Isshin in this arc.

Naruto used to be my favorite, but I feel like it's less about technique and the mixing of elements like it was at one point and now it's just throwing Bijuu bombs at each other. We went through all that training to control the finesse of chakra into cool techniques, molding the chakra with signs, but now it just looks like they stick their hands out and accumulate energy. Plus there's the whole Sasuke being a lame character, Sakura not doing anything, and Sai disappearing completely for eons (though I never liked him to begin with).

Naruto would be better if it concentrated about the characters instead of the plot. I miss Rock Lee, Shikamaru, Shino, and Kiba.

 

[Daingurse]

One Piece, it's the only one I read anymore. Just caught up a few days ago, after letting chapters stack for a few months . . .

I think I'll go back to Bleach and Naruto when they wrap up.

 

[pelicansurf]

I can't bother watching Naruto/Bleach, but I just started watching One Piece via filler free guide and it's pretty damn awesome. The characters all have their own personalities that keep surprising you every now and then. Very legit stuff.

Compared to other Manga though, with maybe an exception of One Piece (only in the 100s atm), these are pretty average.

 

[Winterfang]

I don't understand why people give Naruto so much shit for not going back to using irrelevant characters from part one that got closure to their stories years ago much at the end of part two. I'm just amaze kishi has them still fighting in this battle, heck shikamaru is at least 10 tiers below Naruto and he is still useful, that's enough to be a cause for a celebration, instead of complaining he doesn't had much screen time.

 

[iShouldGoPro]

Honestly, Water 7/Enie's Lobby is one of the greatest shounen arcs I've ever read.

All because of 4 words:

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"I WANT TO LIVE!!!"

THE FEELS, OMG

 

[woodland]

Definitely agree on both the shitting on thing and the Naruto characters. I think we just see a lot more OP people that shit on things because there's more of an overall amount instead of a defining feature of the fanbase though.

I wish we got any of the old characters ;\ I remember once the Pain arc started with Akatsuki, it looked like we'd get more of Gai, Rock Lee, Neji, etc. Didn't really turn out as I'd hoped.

Also I didn't mean to come off as a dick, hopefully I didn't. When I looked up deus ex machina, and I'm pretty sure I knew what it means, it's a character, being, whatever, that is suddenly introduced to solve a problem. Again, I'm just disclaiming I rarely talk about this stuff and never go back to re-read, but wouldn't the Final Getsuga, the Hollowfication(to a lesser extent), & the regaining of his powers be deus ex's? The final Getsuga came out of nowhere, was a technique no one ever heard of, and his father who played inactive until getting his powers back to come out and help. The caveat was he'd lose his shinigami powers forever, but he got them back at the end of the next arc I thought?

Also the hollowfication, he spends all this time training his visored form and it gets trounced by Ulquiorra and he dies. He gets brought back to life and while we know now, was anyone expecting him to be brought back to life AND for it to be that simple to not shrug off the hollow gunk?

I'm not saying I don't enjoy Bleach - I used to much more and think it still has its moments, just some of the pulls seemed ridiculous from a casual view. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Just enjoying the discussion^^ edit; It was definitely a good arc for most of the soul reapers though. Was cool to see Unohana have a way different past along with Komamura, since I never thought he did much besides get walloped on lol