Resident Evil 4 Ultimate HD Edition PC
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Shotgun Kiss
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Nothing will ever top the Wii version in my eyes. The controls are sublime. Yes, the game becomes laughably easy, but it feels so damn good, which is far more important.
crisdecuba
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Run it on Dolphin. Topped.
I understand wanting zero missing effects. And I know that a lot of people consider it crazy talk, but honestly, running 3D games with basic assets at super high resolutions can be a worse experience than running them in lower resolutions. I'd probably play RE4 happily in 1080p, but the game is made for 480p and it does look awfully clean and consistent at that resolution (on a CRT TV). I understand not considering the resolution difference to be a big deal, is what I'm getting at.
hard to deny that 60fps will be a huge improvement though
hard to deny that 60fps will be a huge improvement though
If you see it in motion, 60 fps makes the PC version superior. The textures also look better in the PC version, as the comparison pic with Ashley's sweater shows.
I think we're just seeing how dated the game looks now, when once it seemed so far beyond anything else.
The Xtortionist
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At least the lava room will always look amazing.
Krusenstern
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This comes out of nowhere! Woohoo! What wonderful news to wake up to.
Wait, missing effects? What is missing? Can someone show me some comparison shots?
Wait, missing effects? What is missing? Can someone show me some comparison shots?
Visualante2
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I'm not doubting the image quality. But the overall feel of it, creatively. It just doesn't look right. Sometimes the smeary blurriness actually adds something? Sort of like how noise on old films adds something that 4k modern digital cameras cannot.Looks pretty similar to me, if not objectively better.
Wii (Dolphin), PS3/360, and Steam versions respectively.
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I've never played a Resident Evil/Biohazard game before, but I've heard RE4 is great. Judging from what I've read in this thread, the upcoming HD release is worth getting.
So, preordered. Looking forward to playing it!
So, preordered. Looking forward to playing it!
I don't mind the blur filter (DOF?) being gone. However, I'd like the specular highlights back, if possible. Ultimately, I don't remember where they were in the game, though, so whatever. The mod community will probably add them back in at some point.
Dictator93
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I always loved this gif. It definitely could use a "Believe in Yourself" or "Don't be Mad" text.
But yeah, the game could probably get wonky in cutscenes, but there is no reasons why they could just not cap FPS in cutscenes and let gameplay uncap depending upon the screens refresh rate.
Everything looks better @ 120fps brother.
cascardian
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Indeed, and that's what I'm thinking. It's all in the name of adding to or rather recreating the original's atmosphere. The game itself deserves the effort. I'm pretty peeved that they're charging money for something like this (especially when modders have already made the effort of remaking the textures, e.g.) and then don't go all the way. Better companies (like CDProjekt Red) release something like this as a free patch for existing owners of the initial shitty port, which is what Capcom should have done--as a way of apologising. Better late than never, you know. But hell, who am I kidding? This is Capcom.
For clarification: What I'm missing the most are the specular effects, not the easily replaceable DOF filter.
dgrdsv
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Nope. Higher resolusition is always better. Simple as that.
RE4 is one of the best-paced and best-playing TPS games ever. Packed with content, too -- a HUGE variety of locations, enemies, bosses, weapons, set-pieces, switch-ups, etc. The game comprises three acts, each in a distinct location (and each act comprises multiple chapters, which in turn comprise multiple sub-chapters). The scale is EPIC -- whenever you reach the end of one act, you feel like you've come a long way. And the variety and pacing make it incredibly addictive. It's just as fresh in the 20th hour as the first. You're in for a real treat.
plagiarize
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remember, first time through use a pad. after that, whatever you want!
If you want to ignore a lot of things and reduce the entire history of display technology and 3d rendering down to pixel dimensions, sure.
I'm trying to think of a case where this is true. I'm having trouble.
Quake looks great at ridiculous resolutions. Homeworld looks great at ridiculous resolutions. Etc.
plagiarize
Banned
whatever the DOF looks like in high res Dolphin screens, for the time, on SD CRT screens, it looked good on RE4's GameCube version. DOF is an artistic choice used to highlight a specific thing in the frame, or to specifically make it harder to see a threat sneaking up on the protagonist (as short focus lenses are often used to do in motion pictures).
it's meant to be there, and I'd like it to be there, yes. authorial intent and all that.
I would bet Steam Keys that someone will have ENB running within the week with a significantly higher DOF than the blur filter that overlays the various GCN-based versions.
ENBSeries is 3d graphic modification for games like TES Skyrim, GTA 4, GTA San Andreas, Deus Ex HR, FSX, and many others. It work by modifying render functions calls of the games and applying additional effects.
It's divided to generic versions and exclusive. First category allow to run it on thousands of games, not all effects will work, but you can try several versions of mod to find best suited. Second, exclusive types of the mod, are games specific versions which developed to work with some game and rarely with same game engine.
Available effects are SSAO, SSIL, Depth Of Field, Lens FX, Bloom, HDR, Tone Mapping, Sharpening, Vignette, Sun Rays, Shadows, Detailed Shadows, Reflection and others in various versions of them.
Looks pretty similar to me, if not objectively better.
Wii (Dolphin), PS3/360, and Steam versions respectively.
Don't think you can call it objectively better, especially given the amount of people who prefer the effects. Personally, I like them; a combination of nostalgia and adding an illusion of motion/action while simultaneously hiding some of the less appealing background details.
Though, you are also right in one regard. Each version is pretty similar, and these are fairly minor changes.
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
At the time? Even to this date!
Hear, hear. For 3D games, it is always the case. I remember hearing arguments when the PS360 version came out that the game looked better on a CRT in 480 because of scanlines and the low res hiding the ugliness. No, the game looks far more beautiful on PS360 than GC (not counting Dolphin).
Dictator93
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Unless It was a game designed exclusively to only work at a really low resolution for some obscure reason almsot all polygon rasterizing games will look better with more samples applied to those polygons and polygon edges.
Rickenslacker
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I'd agree with that. As much as the "angular graphics" argument has been chided, I think there's merit to it and there's definitely preference to be had about playing games designed around lower resolutions on displays that excel at lower resolutions.
Just a heads up so that you're not put off when you first start and to give you some expectations of how the action plays -- the game has tank controls, and you stand in place when you're aiming and shooting.
The big difference between the missing shader effect comes through in the Novistadores.
They save those for the upcoming Definitive Resident Evil 4 Ultimate HD Remix Edition (PS4 + Bone)
pretty done
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Meh, I'll pass. Wake me up when Capcom puts Code Veronica remaster on Steam. I already played the game that killed Resident Evil enough.
There you go. The blur filter was probably specifically implemented to hide some of the lower-res textures in higher-resolution rendering.
Having played Metal Gear Rising, let me just say that Platinum set the bar for boss fights. I haven't played RE4 since release so I hope to see something amazing from there as well.
They won't make an appearance for that version either, I can guarantee that.
Krusenstern
Banned
How are the chances that someone will mod in the missing effects. I mean the original Resident Evil 4 port had a lot of mods and this game is a very well known cult classic with a very big fan base. I'm sure there will be mods for it too.
I for one double dip. It's already better than the PS360 ports.
I for one double dip. It's already better than the PS360 ports.
I agree in those cases, especially Homeworld.
I find most PSX and N64 games look worse when passed over to high level emulation and rendered in a resolution like 1080p. The texture instability, polygon edge gaps, and low resolution alpha maps are way more apparent (these are part of the game and not emulation issues, after all) and bug me enough that I'd rather play the games in their original resolutions on an SDTV. Those are the big ones. Many slightly more modern console games (PS2, Wii) have fixed-resolution filters that become hideous in higher resolutions, too, as we've seen with the DOF example here in RE4, but that's a smaller issue and I'd probably be fine dealing with that.
And the regenerators, and pretty much anything that's supposed to look wet and slimy, which is a large majority of the bosses and some enemy types. Other versions without it simply look flat and bland. I'll probably end up getting this, but I'm very disappointed that it's not in the game.
Dictator93
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Adding in a shader which modifies the way textures are lit is not too easy. It is not a screen based effect or something which can just be injected or accessed through use of the depth buffer (sadly). Then again, crazier things in modding have happened.
It still serves this purpose. Compare the shots of the Ganados storming uphill posted earlier. In the Steam release, its much easier to notice the low quality of background and all the Ganados behind the first two or three.
Also, as other posters have pointed out, the real casualty here is the more subtle effects used to give monsters and environments texture or atmosphere.
I wasn't actually serious. Was making fun of Capcpom.
This actually makes me more optimistic about it, RE's one of their biggest franchises and if they're doing this for RE4 then they'll probably quietly axe it in RE5. They're just stupid and didn't say anything for some reason.
Or they're going to ignore it and release Gold without GFWL. If that's the case I'd have to hope it's offered for free to everyone who owned the game, similar to Minerva's Den for Bioshock 2 or Divinity II: Developer's Cut for those that had Dragon Knight Saga. Though I'd expect Capcom to want to get money out of it instead.
Makoto Yuki
Banned
That's not a glitch or bug, Leon is just that badass.
Krusenstern
Banned
You're right. That's the one effect that is going to be the hardest to implement.
Since I bought the PS3 HD version already I will be holding off and see what modders can do with the game. Won't double dip for now at least, especially for that price again.
Still it's better than all other versions expect for those two missing effects.
I would buy it at a high price (in case Wiimote + Classic controller support)
MisterLuffy
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I'm so happy this is going to come out on steam.
Krusenstern
Banned
Looks to be the PS360 versions without the Gamecube/Wii-specific DOF blur and specular highlights.
Depth of field blur could be fixed with an ENB. The latter would be harder to recreate.
I took a bunch of screenshots from the 360 version for the sake of comparison.
360: http://abload.de/img/1-360i5kit.png
PC: http://abload.de/img/1-pc9pjxi.jpg
360: http://abload.de/img/2-360nmk5y.png
PC: http://abload.de/img/2-pctkk1x.jpg
360: http://abload.de/img/3-36039s5a.png
PC: http://abload.de/img/3-pcdvsut.jpg
360: http://abload.de/img/4-360ahj9o.png
PC: http://abload.de/img/4-pcvbkao.jpg
360: http://abload.de/img/5-360hhkx2.png
PC: http://abload.de/img/5-pcimjpi.jpg
There's some oddities here. The UI textures have increased resolution on both 360/PS3 and PC versions, but they're not the same textures. Also, they slightly messed up the text for Leon/Ashley as the outline is different, but that's nitpicky.
I think all the xbox screenshots I took have a darker brightness overall, but a few of the comparisons look unnaturally bright on PC (especially third comparison). That doesn't really look right.
360: http://abload.de/img/1-360i5kit.png
PC: http://abload.de/img/1-pc9pjxi.jpg
360: http://abload.de/img/2-360nmk5y.png
PC: http://abload.de/img/2-pctkk1x.jpg
360: http://abload.de/img/3-36039s5a.png
PC: http://abload.de/img/3-pcdvsut.jpg
360: http://abload.de/img/4-360ahj9o.png
PC: http://abload.de/img/4-pcvbkao.jpg
360: http://abload.de/img/5-360hhkx2.png
PC: http://abload.de/img/5-pcimjpi.jpg
There's some oddities here. The UI textures have increased resolution on both 360/PS3 and PC versions, but they're not the same textures. Also, they slightly messed up the text for Leon/Ashley as the outline is different, but that's nitpicky.
I think all the xbox screenshots I took have a darker brightness overall, but a few of the comparisons look unnaturally bright on PC (especially third comparison). That doesn't really look right.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
The Arkham games were upgraded for free, too.