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1990's Cartoon Survivor (Do-Over)
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BinaryPork2737
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Unlimited just feels like Justice League Part Two. Superman, Batman, and Batman Beyond all feel like separate entities, to me at least.
No, Batman: TAS/Batman Beyond are clearly entirely different shows. Justice League Unlimited is just renamed Justice League with a lot more characters getting screentime.
This is how I feel as well. I'll vote against Superman and Batman Beyond when there aren't shows on the list that I think are worse. I'd like to see more diversity, but not at the cost of selling shows short.
I really do feel like both of the Justice League shows should be regarded as a single series. I mean, I assume we counted the Batman TAS rebrand in with it too, right?
Maybe at the end of this we can throw around ideas and give feedback about what works and what is the most fun.
A Human Becoming
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Animated Series and Beyond have significant differences. New Adventures only had new episodes of Batman, all Superman episodes were from the Animated Series. I don't think either example is equivocal to Justice League.
The question is how many votes are getting switched here at the end?
A Human Becoming
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Remember that the next round will determine who's in the top 10. The rules change after that.
the non btas shows feel like worse versions of btas to me too. like batman beyond is a tryhard sequel to btas when btas didn't need a sequel (it basically continued in justice league). the awful butt rock, the too-sleek look of everything, the lack of any compelling villain, and no memorable voice acting outside of return actors like michael ansara and kevin conroy all makes batman beyond a really meh experience. the only time i enjoyed it was in return of the joker and the justice league episodes, and that had more to do with the things happening around batman beyond than it did in the universe itself.
superman's all right, but it had a lot to live up to. i give it props for being a good version of superman after the crappy 80s films. i also think it's superior to batman beyond for not leaving a sour taste in my mouth.
Doctor Decimate
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Rugrats I could see an argument for, but DBZ has basically been carried this far on its influence. if this was Kai then cool, but the original series is slow as hell.
Agreed.
Doctor Decimate
Member
well that too, but the show just doesn't hold up all that well today as opposed to pretty much everything else on this list.
TheAbsolution
Member
I...
I don't know if I could watch Rugrats now and be entertained. I'm really afraid to find out.
I'll say this: I think the 90's content is the strongest DBZ content and the content from that show that holds up the best. Specifically, the stuff that aired on Cartoon Network in the 90's (Start -> End of Namek). Watching Goku go from this little boy to a full grown man saving the world is an amazing arc for fans of both Dragonball and DBZ. Finding out that he was an alien the whole time (same with Picollo), where he was from, and ultimately (when Namek goes up) concluding that story with the (supposed) death of the person that blew up his and Vegeta's home planet was a nice arc. Everything after... was certainly flashy, and I did enjoy it at the time.
BinaryPork2737
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The first season is primarily based around an entire arc that features one villain's attempts to retain control of Wayne's company while dealing with becoming a mutated walking nuke, as well as introducing other villains that serve a bigger role later on in the post 1999 episodes. It really just has the same animation style as every other post-Superman DCAU show, so the too-sleek thing is a given. Saying Beyond has "awful butt rock" is like saying MGR: Revengeance has awful butt rock; they've got really good butt rock. Will Friedle's voice acting is pretty decent, and is bolstered by Conroy returning, along with Hamill returning later on in the movie, though that came in the 2000's so some wouldn't count that as being part of their vote. Cree Summer's voice acting is pretty decent as well (she would later go on to Number 5 from Kids Next Door and Drawn Together's Foxxy Love).
Some of the older Rugrats stuff still holds up. Having rewatched a few episodes from each of Rugrats' seasons, Anihawk's write up that was posted earlier really nails it.
DBZ as a whole minus the filler and slightly speeding up some of the prolonged fights is really good. To be honest, I think other than nostalgia, half of the reason why I still like it is because of Team Four Star.
Want to make a case for it to go next? Evidence is needed!
A Human Becoming
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I think any evidence it should go is located in the aughts. Those awful silent "shorts" were created then.
the difference is in tone. revengeance knew the mgs lore was trash and was having fun with it. batman beyond was trying to balance being the sequel to btas while also being more hip and cool. the btas theme done with the guitars at the end of epilogue is painfully bad.
is decent good enough for the top 10 though? there are a lot better voice actors in other shows, including supes (michael ironside, tim daly, and clancy brown are excellent)
BinaryPork2737
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The ending theme is one of the few things that's forgettable for me. I never really caught that it was the same as Batman TAS opening because it really doesn't sound that similar to it. That opening though.
To be fair, I think the voice acting is far better than some of the other shows left on the list.
dexter's lab was extremely repetitive and annoying. like, spongebob squarepants was an annoying character, and so is didi, but spongebob annoyed everyone and that was part of the joke, while didi antagonizes only dexter and everyone is fine with her bullshit. there's one episode where she learns this dance and that's all the episode is: her dancing and trying to show dexter. then she does, he says it's cool, and he goes back to working on something.
there were some standout episodes. i kinda liked the paper route ninja ones (it's one of the few times tartatovsky's focus on repetition didn't get on my nerves). maybe the best one was the one written and voiced by a five year old, and yeah i think that says something about the show.
oh and dexter's lab wasn't even dexter's lab 100% of the time. there were also other shorts like m for monkey or the superhero team stuff and it was never funny.
Doctor Decimate
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you seem more preoccupied with what the show sounds like on paper than whether or not it actually manages to pull something good out of its admittedly eyeball-rolling concept. which it definitely did.
I happen to think the Justice Friends were pretty damn funny at times. Major Glory, Val Halen, and The Infraggable Krunk were caricatures of superheroes in an MTV Real World setting.
Batman Beyond was cool...when it was addressing Batman and things that had happened to him.
Am I remembering correctly that Talia showed up and that she was
I also remember an episode where Supes showed up and rubbed his immortality dick in Batman's face.
Other than that....
I know he had a glowy enemy. I know there were robots and other sci-fi that I wasn't into, an d that there were theme gangs like The Warriors.
Edit: Oh and Bruce put on the robo-batman suit at some point and had a heart attack or something. That much I remember. He also may have visited crime alley and put roses on it.
Am I remembering correctly that Talia showed up and that she was
actually Raz or...something?
Other than that....
I know he had a glowy enemy. I know there were robots and other sci-fi that I wasn't into, an d that there were theme gangs like The Warriors.
Edit: Oh and Bruce put on the robo-batman suit at some point and had a heart attack or something. That much I remember. He also may have visited crime alley and put roses on it.
TheAbsolution
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Insert Clever Round Title Here!
This round was quite contentious indeed. 13 out of 14 shows were voted on this round. And the top two shows voted out this round were again tied and they were:
The top 5 for this round were:
Superman with 19 kills and 11 saves
Dragonball Z with 22 kills and 15 saves
Hey! Arnold with 7 kills and 2 saves
Bottom 2 discontinued at this point. Most shows are being voted on.
Stats: 100 kills with 48 save votes.
Note: Top ten voting starts next round so this is the last round that saves can be used.
Use them wisely!
Top 15 list:
Your TOP 12 Cartoons of the 90s GAF!:
This round was quite contentious indeed. 13 out of 14 shows were voted on this round. And the top two shows voted out this round were again tied and they were:
- Darkwing Duck with 17 kills and 5 saves (14th Place Overall!)and
- Tiny Toons with 18 kills and 6 saves (13th Place Overall!)
The top 5 for this round were:
Superman with 19 kills and 11 saves
Dragonball Z with 22 kills and 15 saves
Hey! Arnold with 7 kills and 2 saves
Bottom 2 discontinued at this point. Most shows are being voted on.
Stats: 100 kills with 48 save votes.
Note: Top ten voting starts next round so this is the last round that saves can be used.
Use them wisely!
Top 15 list:
- Reboot- 15th Place!
- Darkwing Duck- 14th Place!
- Tiny Toons-13th Place!
Your TOP 12 Cartoons of the 90s GAF!:
- Rocko's Modern Life
- Hey! Arnold
- Rugrats
- Dexter's Laboratory
- The Powerpuff Girls
- Animaniacs
- Batman:The Animated Series
- Gargoyles
- The Simpsons
- Superman: The Animated Series
- Batman Beyond
- DragonBall Z
I need to see what's remaining before making up my mind on what to kill and save... but I'm leaning towards Gargoyles for one kill.
Edit: oh, it's up!
Kill Gargoyles
Kill Gargoyles
Save Superman
I have no strong feelings on what to kill next, but Gargoyles really shouldn't outlast the other shows that are near death here.
Edit: oh, it's up!
Kill Gargoyles
Kill Gargoyles
Save Superman
I have no strong feelings on what to kill next, but Gargoyles really shouldn't outlast the other shows that are near death here.
A Human Becoming
More than a Member
Now let the final battle begin.
Kill: Superman
Kill: Superman
Save: DBZ
Kill: Superman
Kill: Superman
Save: DBZ
if PPG are save and Arnold is threatened, then yeah I'm willing to change my save
BinaryPork2737
Unconfirmed Member
Yeah those were things in I think season 3.
One of the things that I liked about Beyond was that it revisits a lot of the old Rogue's Gallery. Mr. Freeze gets an entire episode and
goes out in a tragic way because his death is ultimately useless
Not really sure what to kill since I like almost everything left. I'll probably vote in the afternoon or something.
Dog Problems
Banned
Kill: The Powerpuff Girls - The characters are likable but I never like the visual style of the show.
Kill: Dragon Ball Z - Never really cared for anime.
Save: Rocko's Modern Life.
Kill: Dragon Ball Z - Never really cared for anime.
Save: Rocko's Modern Life.
DBZ clearly isn't going anywhere at the moment 
I was never the biggest fan of Gargoyles but it had shades I liked, but it's not top ten show for me. I was wondering if I should give my second vote for DBZ but I I don't want to see two Batman shows in top ten.
Kill: Batman Beyond
Kill: Batman Beyond
Save: Superman
Superman vs. DBZ
FIGHT,FIGHT,FIGHT!!!
Kill: Batman Beyond
Kill: Batman Beyond
Save: Superman
Superman vs. DBZ
FIGHT,FIGHT,FIGHT!!!
Spectral Glider
Member
Kill: DBZ
Kill: DBZ
Save: Batman Beyond
Kill: DBZ
Save: Batman Beyond
TheAbsolution
Member
Oy this is getting real difficult for me.
Ummm....
Kill: Rugrats- I liked this show but I didn't love it.
Kill: Rugrats
Save: Hey! Arnold The quintessential 90s show. At least for me.
Ummm....
Kill: Rugrats- I liked this show but I didn't love it.
Kill: Rugrats
Save: Hey! Arnold The quintessential 90s show. At least for me.
Professor Renegade
Banned
Yes, Darkwing Duck and Tiny Toons can rot in the top 15.
Kill: Hey Arnold!
Kill: Gargoyles
Save: DBZ
I'm sorry I betrayed you Keith David, but I just didn't watch Gargoyles that much as a kid :_(
Kill: Hey Arnold!
Kill: Gargoyles
Save: DBZ
I'm sorry I betrayed you Keith David, but I just didn't watch Gargoyles that much as a kid :_(
TheAbsolution
Member
We were throwing this one around the chamber and I think the best solution is either two kill votes to be used on two different shows or one save that can only be use once during the entire top ten rounds and you have to have voted at least once previously to use it.
What do you think?
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