Lee Chaolan
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Did Goldust eliminate anyone in the Rumble?
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Serpentine
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Lost Fragment
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"Multi-year glass ceiling angle"? No idea where you gathered that I'm saying anything like that.
I don't know that they expected the crowd to take over like they did. How could anyone really predict that? But I do think they knew that excluding Bryan from the rumble would sow those seeds of discontent that they would use for an angle. It's not like they've never drawn on real-life conceptions of HHH and the office in general for angles before.
Lee Chaolan
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People shit on Rusev too much. He's got a solid base and I think that he could easily pull a Reigns and get really good over the course of a year with the right mindset and colleagues nearby. He did good here, hit his spots pretty crisply, made an impact on the audience and didn't pull a Bo. Could Adrian have done a better job/been a better choice? Sure, if only for the high spots and to plug the NXT championship match alone, but I don't think he belongs on RAW right now; there's still a lot NXT can do for him before a formal debut where they can make a big deal out of him as a contender. Whereas Rusev can make intermittent and infrequent appearances on RAW while sticking primarily to NXT at the same time and I think it would help him get over as a monster in the long run. Give him that 'giant rookie' feel but don't keep him around long enough for people to get bored with him and turn him into another Big Show/Khali.
Pray with me, UberTag.
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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Serpentine
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Yeah I think if you were gonna debut anyone in the RR, Rusev and Neville are the only options right now, and there's nothing left for Rusev in NXT so he's the better choice.
Rusev sucks. Zero talking or physical charisma and is as boring as can be in the ring. There are at least 5 guys in NXT who would be called up before him (Generico, PAC, new and improved Bo, Corey Graves, Enzo/Cass). Completely waste of a spot. The only thing in his future is a Cena squash and comedy tag team.
Net_Wrecker
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Because that's where the anger is stemming from. This isn't some out of nowhere one night outpouring of emotion, this is coming from how Bryan's been treated for years now, and there's a portion of the audience that's tired of it. Sure they could turn EVERYTHING around on Raw tomorrow based on what happened at the Rumble, but if you think they've been planning this, and they planned for everything they did at the PPV to be completely glossed over because of the frustration of the crowd, you're locobananasnutscrazyinsane.
Serpentine
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I just mean on paper, for this moment specifically. Zayn and Enzo are injured (and you ain't callin up Cass without Enzo), Rawley ain't ready, and I forgot about Graves. I guess he was viable but in the RR, he'd look less impressive than a guy who can readily dominate like Rusev.
Actually maybe the Rumble is a bad place to debut new guys
Catchpenny
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Does anyone actually think the main event of WM30 will be Orton vs. Batista? I mean, if it is then WWE is absolutely fucked and I might finally give up once and for all, but there's a lot of time before Mania.
Whatever it ends up being, I would expect a Triple Threat or even Fatal 4 Way. Batista was completely gassed after coming in #28, he's in NO condition to work a one-on-one match for 20+ minutes, and getting there by Mania for someone who is working part-time is a stretch. The Rock's injuries last year were pretty horrific and he looked in better ring condition than Batista did.
Whatever it ends up being, I would expect a Triple Threat or even Fatal 4 Way. Batista was completely gassed after coming in #28, he's in NO condition to work a one-on-one match for 20+ minutes, and getting there by Mania for someone who is working part-time is a stretch. The Rock's injuries last year were pretty horrific and he looked in better ring condition than Batista did.
Check Mark
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Guys, Cena vs Orton wasn't that bad of a match. The finisher swapping was a cool thing given their history. It kind of felt like they were having their ultimate final match.
It just didn't belong in 2014.
It just didn't belong in 2014.
Serpentine
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finisher swapping/spamming is hacky af
and you KNOW that's not the "ultimate final match"
I left Generico off because he's injured. He should be pulled up soon, though, I agree there.
PAC's got potential out the ass, but I'd like to see him debut in the summer when the show's not booked to casuals exclusively. Same for practically everyone on NXT save for Rusev.
Bo's a special case. His current gimmick works on NXT but I have trouble seeing them translate that to RAW without wrecking it. Actually, they probably can, but I doubt they have it in them to not fuck everything up with commentary. Then again, that goes for everyone. Maybe Bo's not a special case. His in-ring still needs work though, so I say keep him in dev for a while longer.
Fucking Corey Graves--REALLY???
Enzo's injured as well but I agree he and Cass should be called up ASAP. They're too good to keep off TV.
Lost Fragment
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Not sure how I can be any more clear than "'Multi-year glass ceiling angle'? No idea where you gathered that I'm saying anything like that."
And I never said anything like "they planned for everything they did at the PPV to be completely glossed over" either.
Right. Crowds were drowning out the rest of WWE's stuff with Bryan-related chants after the 18 second burial attempt at Wrestlemania 2012.
At some point "wait and see" doesn't work any more.
Yeah, I mean who would have thought the crowd would not be too pleased with the likes of JBL, Kevin fucking Nash and Rey Mysterio taking a rumble spot that could have went to Daniel Bryan.
They've only been chanting YES!, ruined that pre-TLC showdown with Boreton/Superman on Raw
that came totally out of nowhere.
It was every spot and move they do in almost every match punctuated with the same boring rest holds they use in every match. It only differed at the end with a tornado DDT and finisher stealing (Orton's STF was weird but legitimately looked better than Cena's normal STF, so fuck it--it's better). It's as stale as WWE can get. I literally do not know how they could have been more by-the-book in that match. Every spot was milquetoast garbage we've seen 1000 times before.
cartoon_soldier
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So, I guess I shouldn't watch it?
Net_Wrecker
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You said "But I do think they knew that excluding Bryan from the rumble would sow those seeds of discontent that they would use for an angle."
The only way that works is by drawing on a fairly long history of a portion of the audience being at a boiling point. That's the only way they PURPOSELY get the reaction they got tonight, and I simply do not believe the WWE is that good. If Daniel Bryan had been booked solidly going into the show, or for the last 6 months, the crowd would've been disappointed, but they would not have taken over the entire show. That reaction is just a natural occurrence of the crowd being pissed mixed with the WWE's incompetence at striking while the iron's hot. It's nigh impossible to plan that kind of circumstance or reaction even at the best of times, and right now is anything but the best of times.
Basically, whatever you think they planned, I say they 100% did not, and are likely more than a little put off by what happened.
Check Mark
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You left out the part where I said it didn't belong in 2014. Would've been a cool match in 2007.
This. And we'll see it 1000 times again.
Bray-Bryan is a must see and the Rumble itself is perfectly fine (actually, pretty good) if you know what's (not) coming.
It was still slow, awkward when it was moving and a finisherfest that detracts from overall enjoyment. I'll give you that it would have been better in 2007, but I seriously doubt it would ever have been a good match.
Professor Beef
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They could've just left instead of staying for the entire show.
I mean he could do some pseudo heel stuff, maybe a hollywood style heel turn but with him still being in a superhero movie playing a good guy I think they will still go the goody goody style.
Mania has a roof this year. You are going to hear every chant, loud and clear.
If they don't give the fans what they want, the fans are going to "ruin" wrestlemania, like they just ruined Rumble. I wonder how Vince feels about that. You can't just keep crossing "bizarro" cities off your list, never to return. It's getting to the point where the majority of crowds are going to shit on the product as long as Vince shits on Bryan.
If they don't give the fans what they want, the fans are going to "ruin" wrestlemania, like they just ruined Rumble. I wonder how Vince feels about that. You can't just keep crossing "bizarro" cities off your list, never to return. It's getting to the point where the majority of crowds are going to shit on the product as long as Vince shits on Bryan.
Lost Fragment
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Yeah I don't think they buried Bryan on purpose for an extended period just to do this tonight. At all. And I don't think they expected the level of reactions they've gotten tonight at all.
So Pittsburgh probably won't get a big 4 PPV anytime soon after tonight?
Net_Wrecker
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Easy to say sitting behind a computer desk, NERD. Why don't get off your AOL chatrooms with your electronic mail and mouse clicking, and meet ol' Stone Cold in the ring, one on one, GIMME A HELL YEAH.
Ahem.........sorry. But really, that's easy to say when you didn't pay for a ticket. Plus wrestling fans love feeling pain. Why do you think so many of them still watch?
They should have. That's the problem. The Michigan game should have clued them into the fact that something not-normal was going on.
Here's the better Royal Rumble for this year guys. Courtesy of New Legacy Inc
Professor Beef
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Because they have nothing better to do? I dunno. Just saying, if they hate the product half as much as they claim to, then they should just stop attending live events and buying merch and watching EACH AND EVERY WEEK ON USA NETWORK (Characters Welcome).
What the fuck was that?
Brotista winning the rumble? He has been gone for five years; returns and wins the rumble.
This is just a burial of all the talent on the roster. No, seriously.
*claps at Dewey Foley*
And lol at Brotista's MMA gear.
"If Brock wears it, i can wear it! I've fought in MMA too!"
Brotista winning the rumble? He has been gone for five years; returns and wins the rumble.
This is just a burial of all the talent on the roster. No, seriously.
*claps at Dewey Foley*
And lol at Brotista's MMA gear.
"If Brock wears it, i can wear it! I've fought in MMA too!"
Dr Duncan Steel
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Think about it you guys, the theme was called WE OWN IT.
The audience, the crowd, is WE and everybody absolutely took it to themselves to shit on everything. BOOM I cracked the code you guys.
The audience, the crowd, is WE and everybody absolutely took it to themselves to shit on everything. BOOM I cracked the code you guys.
PHOENIXZERO
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Yeah... Outside of Bray/Bryan RR was a shit show. What little I've seen of Rusev has done nothing for me and his RR appearance didn't change that. Reigns push was seen from a mile away as was Batista's winning and looking terrible while doing it, it's hard believe Vince and H-Cubed could be so obtuse but it's how it's been for ages and they'll continue to force feed shit people don't want until ratings fall through the floor and they start losing money. It's just amazing how many times they've had a someone hot or a hot angle only to squander it. There's always talk on how WWE "always has competition" in terms of ratings well yeah sure they do but it's absolutely no where close to having another show providing a similar product in your same time slot like WCW did. I doubt Austin or Rock would have had these issues though seeing as they have their height/size going for them and as great as DB is, he's not close to their level in terms of charisma and mic work. But Vince does live in a bubble and been completely out of touch for over a decade, if not actually longer.
I wonder what WWE would do if Randy got his third strike at this point. It's amazing how much they've protected his ass over the last ten years of mostly mediocrity. Admittedly, I've never been a fan of the shithead even when he was in OVW I thought he was a boring twat even when it isn't intentional. I've never been able to figure out what people see in him other than that time Vince had a vision of him being the new Rock, it certainly can't just be who his father is and grandfather was. Actually, it's probably largely that.
Oh and disappointed they wasted a RR slot for JBL just to pad Reigns's number though I did laugh at the "you still got it" chant he received. I'm sure a lot were disappointed in the lack of Jake Roberts. Oh and holy hell Kane is jacked and trim, he's gotta be in the best shape he's been in since the 90s (pre-Kane) if not ever, at least visually.
Can't wait for highlights tomorrow of Batista winning (and in future releases) where they edit the crowd so they're cheering. If I watch Raw live it's been usually background noise for a long time now, if I watch it recorded I judge it on how quickly it takes me to play through it. I probably won't be watching live tomorrow and I might not skip through it just to hear the crowd response. If there's one thing I wish the crowds would understand it's that a bigger way to bury a guy is by giving no reaction at all. Imagine how bad that Cena/Orton match would've been if the crowd was so quiet you could hear a pin drop. Granted it wouldn't get that quiet since there are still Cena fans out there but it still would've been pretty damn dead but there's no better way to shit on a match than just doing/saying nothing. Especially with the "any reaction is a good reaction" mentality. EDIT: Also, ratings tanking tomorrow while WWE is working on a new TV deal might get attention. I do wonder what the minute by minute breakdowns are for who is on the screen. It's just amazing they don't even had DB out there for the media whoring when they probably could have with the YES chant at MSU which they pretty much glossed over.
It's the wannabe MMA fighter trunks, kinda like a boring version of what Goldberg wore.
I wonder what WWE would do if Randy got his third strike at this point. It's amazing how much they've protected his ass over the last ten years of mostly mediocrity. Admittedly, I've never been a fan of the shithead even when he was in OVW I thought he was a boring twat even when it isn't intentional. I've never been able to figure out what people see in him other than that time Vince had a vision of him being the new Rock, it certainly can't just be who his father is and grandfather was. Actually, it's probably largely that.
Oh and disappointed they wasted a RR slot for JBL just to pad Reigns's number though I did laugh at the "you still got it" chant he received. I'm sure a lot were disappointed in the lack of Jake Roberts. Oh and holy hell Kane is jacked and trim, he's gotta be in the best shape he's been in since the 90s (pre-Kane) if not ever, at least visually.
Can't wait for highlights tomorrow of Batista winning (and in future releases) where they edit the crowd so they're cheering. If I watch Raw live it's been usually background noise for a long time now, if I watch it recorded I judge it on how quickly it takes me to play through it. I probably won't be watching live tomorrow and I might not skip through it just to hear the crowd response. If there's one thing I wish the crowds would understand it's that a bigger way to bury a guy is by giving no reaction at all. Imagine how bad that Cena/Orton match would've been if the crowd was so quiet you could hear a pin drop. Granted it wouldn't get that quiet since there are still Cena fans out there but it still would've been pretty damn dead but there's no better way to shit on a match than just doing/saying nothing. Especially with the "any reaction is a good reaction" mentality. EDIT: Also, ratings tanking tomorrow while WWE is working on a new TV deal might get attention. I do wonder what the minute by minute breakdowns are for who is on the screen. It's just amazing they don't even had DB out there for the media whoring when they probably could have with the YES chant at MSU which they pretty much glossed over.
It's the wannabe MMA fighter trunks, kinda like a boring version of what Goldberg wore.
Net_Wrecker
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Nah breh. They love the pain. HURT ME. HURT ME MORE
But realistically, I dunno why any individual that complains keeps on watching. Habit, boredom, nostalgia......I don't know. That's a philosophical journey each able minded person must travel alone, and come to realizations unforeseen to the mind's eye in earlier discussion.
Professor Beef
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Yeah, but even Homer completed his spritual
Lost Fragment
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They should've, but I do think that's the thing that might've finally gotten through their thick skulls.
It got them to abort the Wyatt angle prematurely, but they just don't understand that what they did at SummerSlam STILL hasn't been paid off and needs to be in order to make it worth it.
Serpentine
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I was in a poll at a friend's place between 6 people, and I drew Cody, Kane, Roman Reigns, Luke Harper, and Rey. SO CLOSE.
Here I just drew Luke Harper. eh. better luck next year, but hey, I didn't draw Truth!
Here I just drew Luke Harper. eh. better luck next year, but hey, I didn't draw Truth!
tbh I wouldn't have minded the Usos taking the belts off of Rhodes Brothers
I guarantee Orton Vs Batista will not be the last match on Mania.
Conrad Link
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F**k this company.
abstract alien
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I was about to ask if this was as bad as Punk losing his historic title reign to the fucking Rock, but nah. It's not nearly THAT bad. I'm still salty as hell over that.
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