I don't think it's the Orton name, if that's what you're implying, but rather the fact that he's one of Triple H's pet projects. He's still a fantastic wrestler.
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I don't think it's the Orton name, if that's what you're implying, but rather the fact that he's one of Triple H's pet projects. He's still a fantastic wrestler.
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Haven't caught up for a few years, am I right in thinking that Batista is a boring wrestler with a boring persona and a dislikable person, who came back without any of the fans wanting him to, and won the rumble predictably as the writers couldn't be arsed to figure out a good angle for his return?
Did the crowd/thread react badly? Links pls
Did the crowd/thread react badly? Links pls
Correct. And the entire planet appears to have reacted badly. Source: everything.Haven't caught up for a few years, am I right in thinking that Batista is a boring wrestler with a boring persona and a dislikable person, who came back without any of the fans wanting him to, and won the rumble predictably as the writers couldn't be arsed to figure out a good angle for his return?
Did the crowd/thread react badly? Links pls
Even my front lawn reacted badly.
BFIB
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Haven't caught up for a few years, am I right in thinking that Batista is a boring wrestler with a boring persona and a dislikable person, who came back without any of the fans wanting him to, and won the rumble predictably as the writers couldn't be arsed to figure out a good angle for his return?
Did the crowd/thread react badly? Links pls
The problem is, yes Batista was over big time during his run. But, just like everything else, fans tastes change.
And Creative has been lost for a long, long time. Its why we are seeing rehashes of Cena/Orton surrounding the title and re-using the same angle to build the feud (Orton attacking Cena's father, etc).
Meanwhile, there's a guy you saw last night named Daniel Bryan. A guy that completely goes against the mold of what WWE usually looks for. But he's over. He's a hell of a worker. But he's a wrestler first, and god forbid a wrestling company put a wrestler in the spotlight.
Chants are going to go from "Daniel Bryan" and "YES YES YES" to "Fuck this shit/Fuck you Vince" to silence and people uninterested. It's so crazy to me that the one guy that actually interacts with the crowd and gets the crowd involved is a guy they don't want get fully behind. Playing to the crowd is a completely dead art in WWE. It's so sad.
I think, just by judging by his reaction to the crowd last night, that this might happen.
They're gonna be furiously re-writing the road to mania as we speak, but there is good that can come of this.
That's what I mean. If he were not "Randy Orton: Triple H's favourite", he would have been shitcanned for his Wellness Violations and poor attitude long ago.
He also wouldn't have stayed in the main event either. It's clear he doesn't belong.
He's a really good wrestler (vastly better than Cena), but not really very charismatic or interesting past that.
I was especially loving the 'NO!' chants during Sheamus' chest pounding. Also gotta love them booing the shit out of one of their biggest baby faces in ReyRey. I see WWE finally taking this Bryan thing to new heights tonight on RAW by 'shaking things up' only to botch it in a week and have everyone hating Bryan and stop watching wrasslin.
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Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
The thing is, it doesn't even matter to them. They can spend all of their effort pushing others and it just makes Bryan even more popular. Whether or not its a work, it makes no difference.
My hyacinths have wilted in protest.
Sheamus at least is used to get shat on because of Daniel Bryan. He can cope.
This was his big return though, must've stung.
BFIB
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Nah, I think what'll happen is seeing the reaction of Batista, they'll make him the heel. He'll destroy Bryan in a one off match on Raw, and WWE will think Batista is big time over. When that won't be the case at all.
Cena's current gimmick has had more TV, PPV, and live event time than Hollywood Hogan and Hulkamania Hogan COMBINED.
Cena hasn't had a heel turn or character change in 10 years, he's been champion like 50 times, main evented like 100 PPVs, and the only feuds/rivalries he's had that were worth a damn were with Punk and Edge. He's buried damn near everyone else and made them look like shit
The problem is that no one cares about Sheamus beyond liking him. He doesn't have "it" yet.
The Edge situation (where they should have abandoned their plans and gone with Cena/Edge at WM) is why I'm doubtful of a course correction here.
BFIB
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Next up: Bray Wyatt.
And watch him come out tonight and just leech the support of Bryan into this angle. So odds are, Bryan will get beat down by the Wyatt's, only for Cena to make the save.
Host Samurai
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Batista is a 45 year old man that has a belly button tattoo. Let that sink in.
Evening Musuko
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We're hearing this at Wrestlemania no matter what at this point. Hell, we might even hear a "Fuck you Hunter" chant or two.
Might as well rename it Wrestlemania: Katrina.
Especially since it actually started out well, he got a big pop and reaction to all his spots when he entered. But once there was no Bryan, they turned on him too.
The BBC was included in my "everything". But yeah. I couldn't believe it when I saw the article.
Well, the biggest difference between HHH and Vince is I think HHH isn't so controlling and micro-managing like Vince is. Judging from NXT, he's ok with having writers and bookers that he oversees, who actually get to do their jobs. Vince just throws everything out and rewrites everything himself, making you wonder why he even has a Creative team.
Plus say what you will about size, but right now NXT's top faces are Sami Zayn (who isn't short but he's not jacked at all) and Adrian Neville, who is shredded but Bryan's height. Rusev is the only "mastodon" they're pushing down there.
Plus say what you will about size, but right now NXT's top faces are Sami Zayn (who isn't short but he's not jacked at all) and Adrian Neville, who is shredded but Bryan's height. Rusev is the only "mastodon" they're pushing down there.
He's definitely on the main roster now.
Bo failed and was send back, so we'll see, but for the next few months Rusev is here to stay.
I do hope he brings his manager with him though, she's great.
I got 22.
styl3s
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The thing is, HHH doesn't have final word in anything yet.
Vince still has final word. It's easy to sit behind a computer and put all the blame on HHH and maybe some blame does go towards him but until Vince is completely gone no decision ever gets made without his OK. HHH could hate X superstar and wants to bury him 90 feet under but if Vince is fond of X, X is going to get a push and if HHH loves Y but Vince hates Y, Y getting buried.
Officerrob
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Isn't that because all the mastadons have already been called up?
I don't have the time to catch NXT, so all I know about it is that I'd rather see El Generico move up. Who's his manager?
He doesn't need one, he's great on the mic.
You wanna play 21?
In Chris Hero's shoot, he talks about when he and Cesaro were being signed, HHH sat down with both of them to talk, and basically said that they aren't trying to insult the indie workers with developmental deals by suggesting they can't work, what they need to do with new arrivals is get them used to the WWE style and basically iron out any things that Vince hates.
So it's all about keeping Vince happy, and HHH said if they didn't do that, then the new talent might do one of Vince's pet peeves in their first match and Vince would have a grudge against them instantly. And there's nothing HHH can really do after that, Vince has final say, end of.
Also, he said they weren't going to be brought in as the Kings of Wrestling, because Vince doesn't like tag teams. He thinks they are a waste of money and should be two singles stars instead. Obviously, HHH disagrees heavily with his love of tag team wrestling.
Hence why the current tag team push is all HHH, and it's taken years to happen.
Not really, they've got big guys like Mason Ryan who aren't pushed, and they have a bunch of really big guys who are just jobbers.
Vince and Stephanie are still the #1 and #2 in creative.
Sorry. I meant Rusev's. Is she hot?
Nope, Stephanie's gone from Creative now. She's "brand manager" or whatever.
Not if you just watched Bray/Bryan and El Torito in the Rumble.
Nope, all of Creative reports to Triple H now, been that way for months. Stephanie is head of PR now.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...ion-leaves-triple-h-in-charge-of-wwe-creative
Here is what you can credit HHH for:
Personnel decisions, and the initial personnel gimmicks and characters. But how those gimmicks and characters are utilized is largely out of his hands, and up to the whims of Vince and Stephanie (Moreso stephanie's team, since she's become a mom).
Vince and Stephanie hate Ziggler, for instance. Only reason he still has a job is because he was basically HHH's first pet project (Vince and Steph wanted to let him go along with the rest of the spirit squad, HHH convinced them he was worth keeping).
Vince also wanted to disband the Shield back in like March/April, and didn't really want to bring the Wyatts up (hence them kind of fading into oblivion for a while after the inferno match with Kane... and the curtain jerking).
We see a lot of personnel come up to the main roster with some interesting gimmicks and initial storylines. You can credit that to HHH and Dusty Rhodes. We then see them stall for about 6 months in limbo doing nothing (or the same thing over and over gain with no storyline development - See Nexus and the Shield beating up on people for like 5 weeks in a row when they debut and... nothing really developing out of it. ). That's on Vince, Stephanie, and the writers, who don't know how to create a dynamic product with long-term recurring rivalries. It's all "flavor of the month" feuds and one-dimensional characters.
Or at least, any attempts at booking by the writers gets scrapped because Vince changes his mind every 10 minutes on what direction he wants to go. How often have we heard of stories where entire hours of RAW have been rewritten Monday afternoon/early Monday evening?
Personnel decisions, and the initial personnel gimmicks and characters. But how those gimmicks and characters are utilized is largely out of his hands, and up to the whims of Vince and Stephanie (Moreso stephanie's team, since she's become a mom).
Vince and Stephanie hate Ziggler, for instance. Only reason he still has a job is because he was basically HHH's first pet project (Vince and Steph wanted to let him go along with the rest of the spirit squad, HHH convinced them he was worth keeping).
Vince also wanted to disband the Shield back in like March/April, and didn't really want to bring the Wyatts up (hence them kind of fading into oblivion for a while after the inferno match with Kane... and the curtain jerking).
We see a lot of personnel come up to the main roster with some interesting gimmicks and initial storylines. You can credit that to HHH and Dusty Rhodes. We then see them stall for about 6 months in limbo doing nothing (or the same thing over and over gain with no storyline development - See Nexus and the Shield beating up on people for like 5 weeks in a row when they debut and... nothing really developing out of it. ). That's on Vince, Stephanie, and the writers, who don't know how to create a dynamic product with long-term recurring rivalries. It's all "flavor of the month" feuds and one-dimensional characters.
Or at least, any attempts at booking by the writers gets scrapped because Vince changes his mind every 10 minutes on what direction he wants to go. How often have we heard of stories where entire hours of RAW have been rewritten Monday afternoon/early Monday evening?
well... when you look at how he acts in a relatively "vince free" environment (NXT), I think it's pretty good.
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