If creative doesn't care about stadiums worth of people chanting for bryan, they won't care about this.
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If creative doesn't care about stadiums worth of people chanting for bryan, they won't care about this.
Ninja Scooter
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Meltzer made some interesting points on the LAW last night, namely that when Daniel Bryan did get his push and PPV and rating numbers didn't really go up, the WWE might feel like they already gave the fans what they wanted and it didn't do good enough numbers. Another was that with the WWE Network starting up, this next WM needs to appeal to casual fans moer than ever to get them to buy into the network, so you might see them relying even more on nostalgia (hence Batista) and the "good old days" than ever before leading up to Wrestlemania 30.
I find the whole thing fascinating. I can't think of any other form of entertainment or media where the consumer/crowd is so desperately asking for something and the provider of this product/entertainment refuses to give it to them. It's strange because it's wrestling, and by the nature of the "sport", maybe Triple H and Vince think all the booing is just a sign that the company is "over"? I don't even know how to explain it anymore.
I find the whole thing fascinating. I can't think of any other form of entertainment or media where the consumer/crowd is so desperately asking for something and the provider of this product/entertainment refuses to give it to them. It's strange because it's wrestling, and by the nature of the "sport", maybe Triple H and Vince think all the booing is just a sign that the company is "over"? I don't even know how to explain it anymore.
I don't think they want to book Bryan in a WM match it's obvious he isn't going to win.
If they ever are going to break the streak (which I don't think they are), its going to be for someone really young who they will be assuming will carry the company in a Cena fashion for the next decade. The only people in Developmental or the main roster who fit that are Big E and Roman Reigns (27 and 28, have not been in the buisness long or taken lots of bumps). And even then, they probably are terrified of having another Bobby Lashley, who left the company after they gave him a gigantic rub (being the guy to take VKM's hair).
I dunno, Jets fans and the media REALLY wanted Tim Tebow starting games for them over Mark Sanchez
They have to put him in a match people think he can win, or the crowd is going to riot
funkystudent
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I do like the idea that WWE thinks what they did with Bryan after Summerslam counts as a push and its the fans fault and not creative's those PPV's did so bad.
It was 2 months of TNA booking.
Future Foundation
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Have any of you heard the song Pompeii? I was listening to it on the train, and the lyrics to the chorus felt very fitting considering the feelings in this thread:
You see, stupid me forgot all about Big E and Rey, so I was somehow thinking that DB and Bray could still be in it. This was because I thought there would be shenanigans with the Wyatts/DB - like Bryan ends up eliminating Bray at the end.
You see, stupid me forgot all about Big E and Rey, so I was somehow thinking that DB and Bray could still be in it. This was because I thought there would be shenanigans with the Wyatts/DB - like Bryan ends up eliminating Bray at the end.
DonasaurusRex
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all part of the plan???
Pretty sure Summerslam was down 50K buys this year from last year, and was before the Bryan burial had started.
The problem with this idea by WWE, and Meltzer pointed it out, was he DIDN'T get the push at all. The whole time, he spent his "main event run" getting beaten down, screwed out of PPV matches, and called a B+ player, not worthy to face HHH, too small, a troll, etc. That is simply NOT how you push a top guy, a guy you're supposedly behind. Yet we were supposed to buy the PPVs anyway?
And it was during football season when ratings go down anyway.
But WWE thinks they gave him the ball and he dropped it, when in reality they just threw the ball on the floor and yelled at him for not stopping them.
Check Mark
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How bad would it be if a "NOT SUB-SCRIB-ING" chant breaks out whenever they try to hype up the WWE Network
funkystudent
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I also forgot the PPV's after summerlsam also had those filler Punk / Heyman matches.
WWE was in a rough spot after summerslam.
WWE was in a rough spot after summerslam.
And he explains it further on the WO
What I don't get, and could be mistaken, is buyrates have been terrible for the 2nd half of 2013 in general, and there was no Bryan at Survivor Series.
I don't know how TLC did though
They put out a shit product then blame talent for the bad ratings. Corprorate behavior at its worst.
That's what they say, but they don't believe it. Daniel Bryan was set up to fail. They intentionally put him in the main event with a terrible storyline that went nowhere then went "see see" when it failed.
If you have the backing of the company, you get pushed despite crowd reactions See Ryback. They didn't stop pushing him when the crowd was indifferent and chanting "Goldberg".
If Bryan got proper company backing, who knows how high he could get.
Christ. This would have been good story telling at least. They just fucking IGNORE the dude, as if the crowd is just gonna forget about him.
If you're going to do Sheamus/Bryan at Mania, why not do Sheamus at #30 instead of poor Rey? Imagine the fucking heat that would have got him. Perfect "start" to the feud.
The writing/booking is just so fucking bad.
styl3s
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It would be funny but it would never happen because no matter how shitty the product is we will keep buying and watching and the network is the cheapest way to do that. Not to mention if you hate the current product you can just relive the best years for $10 a month.
Aaron-Lagann
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Batista won the rumble? That's, odd to me. I don't know much about him, but coming back and in the same week winning a paperview seems a tad dumb, or is that common? I have nothing against him, really, I just don't understand why he won. Is he going to get a big push or something? Isn't he like 45 years old?
Sadly, I don't think Bryan will EVER fully overcome that bias. His best shot is if Vince retires, and HHH is convinced by big numbers or something, but there will always be an underlying resentment towards him because he's not what they want stars to look like.
Reigns is what they want stars to look like. This is why Orton has been pushed and overrated despite his regularly lackluster results, he's "their guy" and they are terribly biased, legitimately.
I don't think they want to push the idea that working through a concussion is "heroic", with what the NFL is going through right now and all the extra attention on the company right now.
The only argument I have against this was that the build to Bryan challenging for the title at Summerslam was very well done- Cena publicly endorsing him as someone worthy, Triple H and Steph doing the Yes chant and gesture with the crowd, ect. And Summerslam bombed! You can argue that HHH-Lesnar in 2012 was built better and a bigger deal than Punk-Lesnar in 2013, but the world title match in 2012 was a Big Show-Cena-Punk match no one could care about!
Sure, they buried Bryan on the Summerslam show, but that shouldn't have affected the buyrate. And judging on how quickly they dropped the whole Authority-Big Show story after Survivor Series bombed, they do react to buyrates.
Orton is at least better then Cena though. He actually puts people over, and has decent feuds and matches more often then once a year.
Cena hand picking his opponent a couple weeks before the show isn't a proper Summerslam build. It was a Total Divas tie in, not a proper months long build like your HHH-Lesner example.
Cena hand picking his opponent a couple weeks before the show isn't a proper Summerslam build. It was a Total Divas tie in, not a proper months long build like your HHH-Lesner example.
I don't think the Summerslam build was very good at all. Bryan was just randomly picked by Cena to face him, and they barely interacted until the go-home show when they had a good promo. The rest of the build was just Vince shitting on Bryan constantly.
He should have won MITB, and announced his cash-in at Summerslam the next night, and built from there. They failed to put over his positives (his passsion, likablility, talent, overness), and instead emphasized his negatives (his height, size, not having a model's looks), which is the exact opposite of what they're supposed to do with a top contender.
Look at what they do with Reigns. They spent the last year building him up and protecting him. He's green in all aspects, so he's with two talented workers who do the wrestling and the talking, he's kept ultra strong, he's hyped up on commentary, he's made to look as impressive as possible. They protect him in matches, they make him the center of the Shield storyline, etc.
And guess what? He's getting over! Even though he's green in the ring and not much of a talker yet, they've taken a guy with a great look, and potential to be a great worker/talker, and he's becoming a star.
Bryan has had the deck stacked against him from day one. He makes Cena look like the Brooklyn Brawler in terms of overcoming odds (real odds), and he still can't get a fair shakes.
I'm sure kids were too because the Big Show is fat garbage. He is a ratings killer and isn't a draw AT ALL.
Ravensmash
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I don't watch WWE regularly but I might stay up tonight for it.
Maybe this is a new angle where the WWE just trolls it's audience completely, culminating in Big Show vs. Hornswoggle main eventing Wrestlemania.
I like how a lot of the tweets are making this look like a work. Maybe we bought right into WWE's foil?
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
This has to just be an worked angle. Nothing they're doing is making Bryan less marketable or popular; he's getting even more over than he was before because people believe he's being buried against their will.
Plinko
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They don't have to do it tonight. There's another PPV in between now and WM.
Doubtful, I'm all for the wait and see approach as you all well know, but none of this was planned.
I'm sure they were convinced keeping Bryan out of the Rumble would help calm the crowd down and it backfired on them immensely.
There's not even a 1% chance what happened at the end of the PPV was what WWE wanted. The crowd shitting on Batista and the Rumble? That's never desirable.
There's probably a smaller work going on, but as usual they wildly underestimated how popular Bryan is, and it went way out of control.
worldrunover
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WWE likes to bring back "star power" at Wrestlemania time in order to gin up excitement. Hell they put the championship on THE ROCK last Royal Rumble and he had only been in about 4 matches since 2002. Brock Lesnar gets the next title shot and he has been in about as many matches over that span. It doesn't always make sense but it's not that surprising, either.
BadAss2961
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It's gotten so bad that their two biggest current stars can't even work a match because the crowd is ripping them apart.
Cena in particular is fascinating. Never has a promotion's babyface been so divisive. Probably booked even more favorably than Hogan, and half the audience in every state can't stand him. Yet for years, WWE just rolls with it.
WWE's problem is that they have no competition, no one pushing them to even try. They're like Madden. I had hope for TNA, but it looks like they won't make it any further than they are.
Easily solved, do a three way.
Unfortunately, they look at what sells merchandise and Cena does that. Little Jimmy's all over the world are buying his crap. They don't care about the crowd which is why they silence them in tapings. At this point no one will be able to compete with WWE. They're just too damn huge.
If they wanted last night's result they wouldn't have cut the crowd mics during Batista's celebration. Creative was in full scale panic mode.
There were so many better ways of booking the end of the match had they wanted to turn the crowd. As has been mentioned, the easiest would have simply to have sent Sheamus out at #30, especially if you're going into a Bryan/Sheamus program. It practically books itself after that.
I do agree that Bryan is only getting stronger with each "burial". You would think Vince would learn eventually. Nothing stops this train.
BadAss2961
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Well maybe if they were more creative in their booking, they could build other guys into big merchandise sellers.
Was Kane setting the record even special?
I think it was special because they didn't go on about it
And they made him seem like a monster
I mean took like 5 chair shots to the head to eliminate him.
Rafa=FedKilla
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I was not impressed by his performance. I was more impressed ow they worked with Alex Rusev. He has been camel shit in NXT, but it goes to ahow how you can get a guyover when you put them jn spots to succeed. Ive never seen Rusev move like that. So light and crisp.
Like some others have stated Daniel Bryan has a lot of pop and the crowd loves him. They're just not buying his merchandise.
Rafa=FedKilla
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We are buying his merchandise. He doesn't have a Brawlin' Buddy though. That was a big mistake.
A slight issue, his merchandise is terrible. Punk's is very good, and he sells merch only second to Cena.
I already bought his shirt, but the little jimmies are still on that Cena shit. WWE is afraid of losing that crowd if they bury Cena for Daniel Bryan. I don't even know why Orton has the belt. He's such a boring champion.
I agree. I don't think it appeals to the younger crowd.
You're right..how could I be so blind as to miss this. Kevin Nash's rumble entrance was a foreshadowing for Bryan's epic NWO-like turn.
Rafa=FedKilla
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Orton is horrible. The Big Show has more varied offense than him. Orton makes Khali look like El Torito in terms of speed.
But he didn't win. Rey Mysterio broke Ric Flairs time record by winning the Rumble. Nobody has gone 62 minutes and lost.
The way to make that record special is have someone eliminate 13+ people en route to winning it.
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