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Vince is doing the ultimate work in 2014 and everyone is eating it right up.
 
GaimeGuy said:
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You'll see tonight! It's a master plan. The only kayfabe WWE can possibly do in the internet age.

It's a work, brother!

Seriously, this is the only way to kayfabe people. If it's planned, and it's starting to REALLY look like it, it's going to be beautiful.
 
My highlight of the Rumble match is Colter's double sided sign.

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Just finished watching the show, wow did it go downhill after that opener. Wow was Cena/Orton boring

After the Rumble match itself, I just feel so disappointed :(
 
Rapstah said:
Triple H is the kind of person where he could be absolutely terrible or absolutely fantastic when he's as in charge as he's going to get when Vince is out, and how he's acting now tells us absolutely nothing about how he'll be.
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He said Kurt Angle shouldn't gotten the title because he's too small. Yeah, it'll be the same.
 
A part of me hopes RAW ends up being a complete mess with the fans and they just chant "boo" "this is boring" "change the channel" etc. whenever d-bry isn't out and when d-bry comes out everyone cheers.
 
Ithil said:
In Chris Hero's shoot, he talks about when he and Cesaro were being signed, HHH sat down with both of them to talk, and basically said that they aren't trying to insult the indie workers with developmental deals by suggesting they can't work, what they need to do with new arrivals is get them used to the WWE style and basically iron out any things that Vince hates.
So it's all about keeping Vince happy, and HHH said if they didn't do that, then the new talent might do one of Vince's pet peeves in their first match and Vince would have a grudge against them instantly. And there's nothing HHH can really do after that, Vince has final say, end of.

Also, he said they weren't going to be brought in as the Kings of Wrestling, because Vince doesn't like tag teams. He thinks they are a waste of money and should be two singles stars instead. Obviously, HHH disagrees heavily with his love of tag team wrestling.
Hence why the current tag team push is all HHH, and it's taken years to happen.



Not really, they've got big guys like Mason Ryan who aren't pushed, and they have a bunch of really big guys who are just jobbers.
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The tag team stuff just blows my mind, when you look at it and see that Bret, HBK, Edge, Jeff Hardy, and probably more that I'm forgetting started out in a tag team. It's a way to get some guys experience, over with the audience, etc. and then push them as a singles star.

Not to mention, if done right now and not just a singles match with a tag team, but with double team moves and such, a tag team match can help break up the monotone of all singles matches.

Another sign Vince is losing his mind.
 
Any way this whole thing is like a meta-storyline? Like getting everyone to think the WWE actually hates Bryan, and thus setting up an even bigger main event for him?

Also, what's the backstory on HHH taking over the company? Is it just as simple as he married the bosses daughter, or is there a more detailed account of it anywhere on the net? I'm surprised Vince has given up so much control in the last couple years.

Is he being generous, or something else?
 
CartridgeBlower said:
Any way this whole thing is like a meta-storyline? Like getting everyone to think the WWE actually hates Bryan, and thus setting up an even bigger main event for him?

Also, what's the backstory on HHH taking over the company? Is it just as simple as he married the bosses daughter, or is there a more detailed account of it anywhere on the net? I'm surprised Vince has given up so much control in the last couple years.

Is he being generous, or something else?
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Even before he was with Stephanie, he was sitting in on production meetings before shows. I think he was actually sitting in before he even won his first WWE Championship. HHH is the true male heir to the throne since Shane left the company (and family, maybe, Shane wasn't even in the 50 Years of WWE DVD or HHH's newest one). He got trained in politics by Hall, Nash, and HBK, then was the only guy left to continue that. Then he got in with the family. Then Shane left and HHH took his spot, basically, even though I don't think there was much of a chance of Shane ever taking over the company. Stephanie has been a part of the creative team since 2002ish and HHH is the one guy Vince really trusts. So now he's got a legit corporate job to go with his on screen role.
 
HHH didn't just marry Stephanie (that happed in 2003). He got in on the ground floor, since he was in with the Kliq. But he has been getting into backstage stuff himself since 1999, when he started offering ideas to Vince, and then started to sit in on production meetings. By 2002 he was a huge power backstage, which has only grown since then.

Around 2010, he started to not ease up on wrestling full-time, and do a lot more backstage stuff. By 2011 then, he became a part-time wrestler and was appointed the new Vice President of Talent Relations (a job once held by JR who was excellent, and then by Johnny Ace/John Lauranitis who fucking sucked at it) and that's when he started the beginning of his big changes.

Apparently, a few years ago, Vince asked HHH what he thought needed the most work in the company, so HHH went and worked in all the different departments one at a time to see how they operated, and HHH came back to Vince and said that developmental is in bad shape and needs a lot of work. So he got the Talent Relations job, and after continously pestering Vince, Vince basically gave him a bag of money (or blank check) and told him to do what he wants with developmental.
So HHH has built NXT, and the Performance Center, and modernised developmental.

HHH also reports under Vince, since he's expected to take over as Chairman when Vince no longer is, from retirement or death (probably death). WWE is simply too huge a company for one man to run it all now, but Vince has final say on everything all the same, even if he concentrates on the TV product.

HHH definitely has his own idea of what a wrestling company should look like, and it is different from Vince's. Some parts will overlap, but no one truly knows how it will go until he's in charge.
 
Aaron-Lagann said:
Batista won the rumble? That's, odd to me. I don't know much about him, but coming back and in the same week winning a paperview seems a tad dumb, or is that common? I have nothing against him, really, I just don't understand why he won. Is he going to get a big push or something? Isn't he like 45 years old?
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It's solely because he's in an upcoming Marvel movie
 
CartridgeBlower said:
Any way this whole thing is like a meta-storyline? Like getting everyone to think the WWE actually hates Bryan, and thus setting up an even bigger main event for him?
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There's a certain argument to be made that if you give D.Brine any sort of victory in advance of Mania that it will diffuse the impact of a win at the actual event.

I know historically that hasn't been the case. It's been customary for guys like Benoit and Batista to win the Rumble match and then go on to take the title at Mania.

But Bryan's kind of a special case. And judging by the reaction and outpouring of emotion today, that logic is sound. You could really bang a big buy rate for the Elimination Chamber and the launch of the network if you essentially recreated the "Mankind Wins the WWE Title" angle from the height of the Attitude era by booking Sheamus vs. D.Brine.

If Bryan wins the match, the Orton-Batista match at Mania becomes a triple threat and won't stink up the Superdome as they'll now have someone to work with. If Sheamus wins, Bryan disbands the Yes movement, will never use the Yes chant again and won't even be on the Mania card.

Have the match go on last at the Chamber PPV, make it no DQ, have a bunch of guys do run-ins from the Wyatts, to the Shield, to Kane, to Orton, Triple H himself... essentially set up all of the feuds for Mania in one central match. Hell, even have Foley, Hogan, Austin, Cena, Warrior, other guys come out for spots. Bryan wins. The place goes nuts. And then they have a pure triple threat match at Mania and D.Brine goes over there clean (no run-ins at all).

Bryan can then get a decent 3-month run with the belt before jobbing the title to Big Dave in time for him to make all of his promo appearances for Guardians of the Galaxy (which isn't hitting theaters until August 1st). Dave won't be doing promo appearances until mid-to-late July (after the MITB PPV - around the same time as WWE Battleground).
 
GaimeGuy said:
Here is what you can credit HHH for:

Personnel decisions, and the initial personnel gimmicks and characters. But how those gimmicks and characters are utilized is largely out of his hands, and up to the whims of Vince and Stephanie (Moreso stephanie's team, since she's become a mom).

Vince and Stephanie hate Ziggler, for instance. Only reason he still has a job is because he was basically HHH's first pet project (Vince and Steph wanted to let him go along with the rest of the spirit squad, HHH convinced them he was worth keeping).

Vince also wanted to disband the Shield back in like March/April, and didn't really want to bring the Wyatts up (hence them kind of fading into oblivion for a while after the inferno match with Kane... and the curtain jerking).

We see a lot of personnel come up to the main roster with some interesting gimmicks and initial storylines. You can credit that to HHH and Dusty Rhodes. We then see them stall for about 6 months in limbo doing nothing (or the same thing over and over gain with no storyline development - See Nexus and the Shield beating up on people for like 5 weeks in a row when they debut and... nothing really developing out of it. ). That's on Vince, Stephanie, and the writers, who don't know how to create a dynamic product with long-term recurring rivalries. It's all "flavor of the month" feuds and one-dimensional characters.

Or at least, any attempts at booking by the writers gets scrapped because Vince changes his mind every 10 minutes on what direction he wants to go. How often have we heard of stories where entire hours of RAW have been rewritten Monday afternoon/early Monday evening?
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HHH can go suck a fuck and leave the business.
 
I think the "Triple H's friends are everywhere" is part of the angle, though, at least Nash and the NAO anyway, expect Punk to mention it soon.
Batista on the other hand...
 
Ithil said:
I think the "Triple H's friends are everywhere" is part of the angle, though, at least Nash and the NAO anyway, expect Punk to mention it soon.
Batista on the other hand...
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Really? That's far too subtle for the WWE. If it was a legitimate storyline, JBL would be all like, "Hey Maggle! The COO has got all his buddies back and I for one think it's GREAT! What a guy! You idiot."

Like how they never really capitalised on the fact that it was Kane's decision to have the cage door locked in the Bryan/Wyatt match. They just don't think about things that hard any more.
 
GaimeGuy said:
Here is what you can credit HHH for:

Personnel decisions, and the initial personnel gimmicks and characters. But how those gimmicks and characters are utilized is largely out of his hands, and up to the whims of Vince and Stephanie (Moreso stephanie's team, since she's become a mom).

Vince and Stephanie hate Ziggler, for instance. Only reason he still has a job is because he was basically HHH's first pet project (Vince and Steph wanted to let him go along with the rest of the spirit squad, HHH convinced them he was worth keeping).

Vince also wanted to disband the Shield back in like March/April, and didn't really want to bring the Wyatts up (hence them kind of fading into oblivion for a while after the inferno match with Kane... and the curtain jerking).

We see a lot of personnel come up to the main roster with some interesting gimmicks and initial storylines. You can credit that to HHH and Dusty Rhodes. We then see them stall for about 6 months in limbo doing nothing (or the same thing over and over gain with no storyline development - See Nexus and the Shield beating up on people for like 5 weeks in a row when they debut and... nothing really developing out of it. ). That's on Vince, Stephanie, and the writers, who don't know how to create a dynamic product with long-term recurring rivalries. It's all "flavor of the month" feuds and one-dimensional characters.

Or at least, any attempts at booking by the writers gets scrapped because Vince changes his mind every 10 minutes on what direction he wants to go. How often have we heard of stories where entire hours of RAW have been rewritten Monday afternoon/early Monday evening?
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HHH has been the head of creative for a few months now. Stephanie is no longer in charge of creative.
 
Ithil said:
I think the "Triple H's friends are everywhere" is part of the angle, though, at least Nash and the NAO anyway, expect Punk to mention it soon.
Batista on the other hand...
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If it is then it's a fucking shitty angle.

Flair still picking up a paycheck when JR got fired for Flair's drunken behaviour absolutely stinks.
 
Showaddy said:
If it is then it's a fucking shitty angle.

Flair still picking up a paycheck when JR got fired for Flair's drunken behaviour absolutely stinks.
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Flair lost his son half a year before that, give the guy a fucking break. It's not his fault WWE used that panel as an excuse to remove JR.
 
strobogo said:
"Look, Maggle, that's Bo Dallas! He's the NXT Champion! I LOVE THIS GUY, MAGGLE! Maggle, I run NXT and this guy is the best we have to offer. He's the nex JBL, Maggle!"


I don't think Corey Graves is that bad. I see guys acting like he's Miz level and I don't get it.
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very few people in NXT are Miz bad, though CJP is on his way and pretty close. naturally, they're feuding. The only purpose I can envision for Graves involves a Raven return, and i don't think we need that
 
can anyone explain to me who and why Daniel Bryan is so popular? I haven't followed wrestling since austin/rock so I'm quite out of the loop., but it's all I've been hearing today.
 
GuessWho said:
can anyone explain to me who and why Daniel Bryan is so popular? I haven't followed wrestling since austin/rock so I'm quite out of the loop., but it's all I've been hearing today.
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He's an extremely talented wrestler, possibly the best in the world, and a very likable character and guy who constantly is the most entertaining part of WWE, but who has never been given a fair shot by WWE management (real management, not in storyline) because he's short and not what they "look for" in a star.

Over the last three years, it's all built together to make him the most beloved yet unpushed wrestler in WWE.
 
Ithil said:
He's an extremely talented wrestler, possibly the best in the world, and a very likable character and guy who constantly is the most entertaining part of WWE, but who has never been given a fair shot by WWE management (real management, not in storyline) because he's short and not what they "look for" in a star.

Over the last three years, it's all built together to make him the most beloved yet unpushed wrestler in WWE.
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OR IS IT

edit: as for his career since 2010 - I don't know man. Granted I started watching when he was WHC, but correct me if I'm wrong his path has been like this so far: NXT with Miz as trainer, then brought up with Nexus, but "released" to appease sponsors. Brought back as the final member of team anti-Nexus at Summerslam. Went onto become US champ. Loses it. Becomes Money in the Bank winner. Becomes World Heavyweight Champion. Loses it in 18 seconds. Becomes tag team champs. Loses em. Aand here we are now.

It doesn't sound like he was "held back" or that the WWE was actively keeping him out of the main event. His progression feels pretty natural tbh.
 
So I finally caught the Royal Rumble and I'm thinking "outside of that awful Cena vs Orton match this PPV ain't too bad, what's everyone complaining about?".

And then I saw the last quarter of the Rumble match...

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That was fucking awful. Kane's record gets fed to Reigns for no reason and saggy ass Batista wins? Guess he'll lose at Wrestlemania but then win some kind of rematch at Summer Slam to coincide with the Guardians of the Galaxy release. Neato.

At least the crowd was hot as fuck. And they were right to boo all that shit.

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For no reason? I must have imagined those Roman Reigns chants last night then?

They were intended to make a star out of Reigns and that's what they're doing. So good on WWE for pushing young guys.

Kane is going to be 50 in a few years, I think he's fine with losing his record to a young up and comer.
 
Aiii said:
For no reason? I must have imagined those Roman Reigns chants last night then?

They were intended to make a star out of Reigns and that's what they're doing. So good on WWE for pushing young guys.

Kane is going to be 50 in a few years, I think he's fine with losing his record to a young up and comer.
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They were cheering for Reigns because they sure as fuck weren't going to cheer Batista.

After Punk was eliminated nobody gave a shit.
 
That sinking feeling right as Batista wins. Happens a lot with wrestling now. Orton vs Batista at WM30? How can that not make you vomit inside your mouth, at least a little?

Least Bryan and Bray was an outstanding match though.
 
paile said:
That sinking feeling right as Batista wins. Happens a lot with wrestling now. Orton vs Batista at WM30? How can that not make you vomit inside your mouth, at least a little?

Least Bryan and Bray was an outstanding match though.
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I imagine that's Bean Breath and after he gets all his anger out of him, he does gimmick posts to ease his pain.
 
Aiii said:
I was talking about Raw. So there you go.
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Ah, didn't watch Raw.

In hindsight they should of gone the whole hog and had Reigns win the Rumble. Having him break Kane's record and go over Batista would of been a great push for a guy who is ready brotherdudejack.

Instead we get Orton v. Batista. Oh goody.

I really hope it becomes Orton v. Batista v. Cena in a Triple Threat Extended Piss-Break Match at Mania. RESTHOLDS EVERYWHERE.
 
Dr Duncan Steel said:
Man, what an interesting turn of events this PPV has spawned.

It's quite fascinating really.
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Totally.


I mean WWE needs the biggest slap in the face so bad right now its more then welcome.

If you have Mick Foley shooting on you. One of your top 3 guys CM Punk potentially quitting and the entire fanbase and media just hating everything about where Wrestlemania is heading.

All this negativity and before the Launch of the network which is probably the biggest company gamble in years? Crikey!
 
funkystudent said:
Totally.


I mean WWE needs the biggest slap in the face so bad right now its more then welcome.

If you have Mick Foley shooting on you. One of your top 3 guys CM Punk potentially quitting and the entire fanbase and media just hating everything about where Wrestlemania is heading.

All this negativity and before the Launch of the network which is probably the biggest company gamble in years? Crikey!
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I can't wait to see what happens to the company. *popcorn.gif*
 
Professor Beef said:
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I can't wait to see what happens to the company. *popcorn.gif*
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Its going to be a heck of a ride.


Cant wait for the random excuses they have when the network bombs. "Insiders are reporting lower then expected subscriptions to the WWE network. WWE thinks this is because the segment where Danial Bryan lost to the Miz lost 500,000 views. WWE creative is currently confused as to why Bryan continues to not be a ratings draw no matter how many times he loses.

Wrestling Observers David Metzler reports that the current plan is to job Bryan to Jack Swagger. According to the latest Figure 4 podcast if jobbing to Swagger doesnt draw ratings for Bryan he will be fired"
 
funkystudent said:
Totally.


I mean WWE needs the biggest slap in the face so bad right now its more then welcome.

If you have Mick Foley shooting on you. One of your top 3 guys CM Punk potentially quitting and the entire fanbase and media just hating everything about where Wrestlemania is heading.

All this negativity and before the Launch of the network which is probably the biggest company gamble in years? Crikey!
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In Vince's mind, Batista does huge ratings on Raw and Orton/Cena sell out house shows and get great reactions there. Bryan does not. He could give a fuck about a crowd reaction or Foley smashing a TV.

But he should. Because it's the Bryan fans that are first to buy the Network. They're the first to tell their friends and family about it. I know I was. I feel like there's a way to keep all his favorites strong (Batista, Orton, Cena mainly) AND make Bryan look strong/keep the crowd happy... but he just doesn't want any part of it. Bryan/Sheamus will be the first match at Mania.

Punk potentially quitting is pretty fucked up though lol
 
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