True Detective - McConaughey/Harrelson crime series - S2 starts June 21st

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Present day Rust needs to shut the fuck up. He's such an empty windbag.

I was shocked by the last shot, that they'd show that already given how slowly the case has moved.
 
I hope in the DVD blooper reel he says that and then mock punches him out :D
Also the line "I'm not a psycho" and the kingpin line, "....who you callin a psycho?!"

I hope by the end of this season there are like 10 references to Roy Munson lines and they do a montage of them and the ones in True detective and put them on the special features.
 
Rust is getting a little one-note. the way they have been unwrapping Chole is pretty interesting though.

EDIt: That said, present day Rust is getting pretty drunk, so I like that you can feel that in his meandering speech patterns
 
So far we actually get a lot more of Marty'a life than Rust's. In Ep 3 there is no personally life of Rust at all.

I think they are going to kill the gas mask guy in confrontation and pin him as the sole perpetrator.
 
Marty looking at his left hand missing the wedding ring after the bedroom scene between him and his wife almost made me feel bad for him.
 
That doesn't change the fact that he's annoying and says tons of empty bullshit.
As someone mentioned in the thread, the reactions of the two interviewing detectives kind indicate how the audience should be feeling. The little looks of disbelief or when they roll their eyes...didn't they just get up and leave at one point? Rustys job as a detective kept him relatively grounded and gave him something to focus on. Now he's a drunk lacking purpose and his speeches are more aimless and meandering.

I still think hes awesome. so idk
 
So far we actually get a lot more of Marty'a life than Rust's. In Ep 3 there is no personally life of Rust at all.

I think they are going to kill the gas mask guy in confrontation and pin him as the sole perpetrator.
That's what I think too. Things won't add up correctly, but Marty pushed to close the case to get credit rather than hand off the case to the task force. I suspect this season is structured like a two act play.
 
I'll admit that I found Eli appearing on the show so distracting it totally took me out of those scenes. It was really weird because the moment he showed up, he had the exact same expression he makes on Boardwalk, and it was impossible not to feel his entire speech on stage wasn't some performance Nucky convinced him to put on. The hair just made it more distracting because it looked like Eli wearing a wig or something.

Same thing happened to me, I had to rewind and deliberately listen to what he was saying, because the first time, my brain was just thinking "oh hey, it's Eli, he's getting a lot of work lately, I just saw him in American hustle, too... oh shit, what's going on?"
 
I've always walked like Rust. It always pissed off my mom and some others when I'd walk towards them. Unless there is something alarming happening I never feel the need for more than a casual stroll.
 
Did anyone go back and check the dates on the two interviews from the first episode? I meant to look at the timestamps displayed on the video camera, but I forgot.
 
oh great. rust's rubbing off on viewers now.

i like malick narrations. the stuff rust says just meanders though. it was toned down and the show was far better off because of it in episode 3.

Not rubbing off on anyone

lol dude nihilism existed long before Rust's actor was even born

ed: Its great to see when the nihilist perspective receives some attention in tv/movies. It so seldom happens. Usually the narrative of everything is meaningful and/or happy endings for everyone is shoveled down the throats of the audience. Its a nice change of pace
 
Yeah, nothing that Rust says is "empty". It's actually ridiculously concentrated and articulate, as if he's reading a nihilist handbook. It's nothing revolutionary (why does it need to be?). How it works for me is the interplay between his soliloquies and the show's events. I feel like he's the narrator in a Cormac McCarthy novel.
 
oh great. rust's rubbing off on viewers now.

i like malick narrations. the stuff rust says just meanders though. it was toned down and the show was far better off because of it in episode 3.

The "meandering" is core to the authenticity of the writing. When he's talking about his daughter and he's like so close to describing the entire accident and then just stops and moves on to something else, that was like the epitome of dramatic television. Incredible, authentic, remarkable stuff.
 
The "meandering" is core to the authenticity of the writing. When he's talking about his daughter and he's like so close to describing the entire accident and then just stops and moves on to something else, that was like the epitome of dramatic television. Incredible, authentic, remarkable stuff.

This show seems to have a lot of people getting close to saying everything, and then saying nothing or something else. Like last night when it looked like Marty was gonna admit his affair and then he just says he's screwed up.
 
This show seems to have a lot of people getting close to saying everything, and then saying nothing or something else. Like last night when it looked like Marty was gonna admit his affair and then he just says he's screwed up.

Yeap. And it's a testament to the performances that you can see everything that's going on in those pauses, the internal struggles, etc.
 
This show seems to have a lot of people getting close to saying everything, and then saying nothing or something else. Like last night when it looked like Marty was gonna admit his affair and then he just says he's screwed up.
And his wife embraced the fiction completely. She didn't want to hear that he's been having an affair, but she needed to hear something.
 
Not rubbing off on anyone

lol dude nihilism existed long before Rust's actor was even born

ed: Its great to see when the nihilist perspective receives some attention in tv/movies. It so seldom happens. Usually the narrative of everything is meaningful and/or happy endings for everyone is shoveled down the throats of the audience. Its a nice change of pace

you seen naked? i liked david thewlis in there a lot. but if his character was thrown into a detective crime series i'd want him to shut up sometimes.

there's certainly meaning to what rust says, and at times i really enjoy it. but like i said i think episode 3's pacing was better off for cutting some of his monologues down.
 
you seen naked? i liked david thewlis in there a lot. but if his character was thrown into a detective crime series i'd want him to shut up sometimes.

there's certainly meaning to what rust says, and at times i really enjoy it. but like i said i think episode 3's pacing was better off for cutting some of his monologues down.

Fair enough, lengthy harangues are not your thing. I personally can't get enough of the epic poignant monologues typical of Quentin Tarantino movies, so Rust's nihilistic ramblings are like crack to me. I also love it when a supervillian interrupts his diabolical actions and segues into a monologue explaining his motives, providing meaningful insight into the dysfunctions of society (Dark Knight anyone?). Unfortunately I realize this wouldn't realistically happen (talking always gives the protagonist opportunity to thwart the plan both as a plot device & in real life) and it does slow down the action, and its shamelessly masturbatory, but nevertheless its thoroughly enjoyable despite that. To each his own I guess. Unfortunately it's hard to communicate ones message concisely to people who aren't in the know without boring the action-oriented crowd. Keep the impatient people entertained or properly illustrate the significance of the bigger ideas at play; pick one. So many times I've rewatched movies and moments in shows where I picked up on the nuances & references that were quickly & concisely thrown in where I would be oblivious to if I didn't have background education in philosophy. People viewing True detective that overhear his monologues on love & religion offering certainty would think its empty, but would have no idea he's referencing significant amount of academic discourse pertaining to science, skepticism, philosophy, anthropology, and psychology. Its a tough act to balance.

I've not seen Naked, but if it is a quality piece with a nihilism theme, I'd need to check it out.
 
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you seen naked? i liked david thewlis in there a lot. but if his character was thrown into a detective crime series i'd want him to shut up sometimes.

One of my favorite acting performances...

Now Thewlis, that's the kind of guy I'd like to see make the jump to a quality TV show like True Detective, not usual GAF circlejerk targets like Idris Elba or some big name actor who's best days are behind him and is an over the top caricature of himself like Al Pacino.
 
This show seems to have a lot of people getting close to saying everything, and then saying nothing or something else. Like last night when it looked like Marty was gonna admit his affair and then he just says he's screwed up.

I disagree. I didn't get the Marty was going to admit it vibe from that scene.

Speak as someone who doesn't cheat but have a couple close friends who do, one of them has the philosophy of you never ever admit it, ever.

edit: I did have a couple nasty fights with my wife for different reasons.
 
Fair enough, lengthy harangues are not your thing. I personally can't get enough of the epic poignant monologues typical of Quentin Tarantino movies, so Rust's nihilistic ramblings are like crack to me. I also love it when a supervillian interrupts his diabolical actions and segwegs into a monologue explaining his motives, providing meaningful insight into the dysfunctions of society (Dark Knight anyone?). Unfortunately I realize this wouldn't realistically happen (talking always gives the protagonist opportunity to thwart the plan both as a plot device & in real life) and it does slow down the action, and its shamelessly masturbatory, but nevertheless its thoroughly enjoyable despite that. To each his own I guess. Unfortunately it's hard to communicate ones message concisely to people who aren't in the know without boring the action-oriented crowd. Keep the impatient people entertained or properly illustrate the significance of the bigger ideas at play; pick one. So many times I've rewatched movies and moments in shows where I picked up on the nuances & references that were quickly & concisely thrown in where I would be oblivious to if I didn't have background education in philosophy. People viewing True detective that overhear his monologues on love & religion offering certainty would think its empty, but would have no idea he's referencing significant amount of academic discourse pertaining to science, skepticism, philosophy, anthropology, and psychology. Its a tough act to balance.

Yeah, definitely have to agree here. I might not agree with everything or believe it, but nihilists just provide a great counter point for just about everything. Always makes you think about shit. Just cut out the rest and give me 1 hour of drunk McConaughey's cerebral wanking.
 
Not rubbing off on anyone

lol dude nihilism existed long before Rust's actor was even born

ed: Its great to see when the nihilist perspective receives some attention in tv/movies. It so seldom happens. Usually the narrative of everything is meaningful and/or happy endings for everyone is shoveled down the throats of the audience. Its a nice change of pace

Tbh I can't recall a character like Rust in history of TV. At least not to the extremes. Yes Nihilism has been around long before this show. But this isn't the kind of character that you have in a large medium, because it would wear people down.

Personally, I'm not bugged by him. I can see where people are coming from with the length of this speeches and wanting them cut down. But his philosophy doesn't really bug me. I find it both funny and sad. I guess it's because on some level I probably agree with some of his views, but its also sad that he lives his life viewing it strictly the way he does. He's essentially an empty vessel only living to serve certain functions/objectives, not being able to find an ounce of joy in life.

I actually get his views. But I feel pity for anyone that gets engulfed in them, to the extent that they can't ever be happy. Regardless I think he's a truly fascinating character. Perhaps to flesh him out more, we should get a flashback of his daughter dying and his marriage falling apart. Getting to see him before he is the man he is today. Was he always like this? Was it the death of his daughter that made him take on this mindset. And if it is, then we'd start to get more sympathy for him, but it also makes him kind of full of shit, as he was once a person that felt all the things he claims isn't real. That it was a tragedy that made him lose himself.

I still find it odd he has a Jesus cross in his house. I don't entirely buy his explanation for that. Wouldn't be surprised if he was once religious.
 
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