Why is Vanille (FFXIII) such a childish character?
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I guess in the west it was similar around the 60s
community made a hilarious parody about it
Afaik did Marilyn Monroe also often play the naive dummy
Dark_castle
Junior Member
Guilty pleasure. I don't necessarily need intelligent humour to amuse me. Even when he did his reviews on VIII and X, which games I really like, it didn't bother me much.
Rikku too.
how could you possibly derive that this ECONOMIC info you provided is a direct result of MISOGYNY?
It's about women.
Dark_castle
Junior Member
I give you Selphie, but Yuffie being entirely optional and really only has one scene when you first recruit her and one sidequest at Wutai isn't really fair to compare to not only one of the permanent party member, but is also the narratar and actual protagonist of the game.
Besides, Yuffie was a 16 years old girl, and most of her moments simply provide quirky, comic relief moments. Yuffie is an example of a good bubbly female character. Perhaps voice acting could harm her character, but that is all up in the air, isn't it. I think her voice in AC and the KH games never bother me as well.
One better: he/she didn't play it.
Also:
If you don't like Auto-Battle, don't use it. It's a choice. It's not that hard of a problem to fix.
Time to go to bed. These FFXIII hate threads from people who haven't played it/do their best to have zero fun playing it are exhausting.
As much as I love this game, my life might have been happier if it never came and these types of threads were never created.
I never had a problem with her nor Hope. I can understand not liking Vanille because she's an anime stereotype, but it actually baffles me to see so much Hope hate.
"Geez, this kid is so whiny. Can you believe that he saw his mom die and he won't shut up about it? Man, so annoying!"
"Geez, this kid is so whiny. Can you believe that he saw his mom die and he won't shut up about it? Man, so annoying!"
Dragon1893
Member
It's a waste of time thinking about it to be honest.
Its like people in this thread didnt even play the game.
YES she is annoying as hell like most of the games cast, but there is a reason.
I found Snows shounen hero crap to be much more grating.
Luckily that also doesn't stay around for very much of the game. There's a nice scene between him and Hope where
Snow's hero complex comes crashing down
And on XIII-2 Noel totally calls him out on his hero antics. It's great.
I liked Hope in XIII. Hated him in XIII-2 though.
Well thats alright then because they kindly gave us the option of dual audio.
SneakyStephan
Banned
she doesn't act cutesy though just some bastardised cynical imitation
cutesy would be this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vY9wA9NSO0E
The problem with Hope was his obnoxious reasoning for hating Snow. He saw what happened and yet blames Snow for everything.
I understand he's young and he was on point regarding certain aspects of Snows character but that in no way makes it understandable why he hates him to the point of trying to kill him.
Dark_castle
Junior Member
The counter argument is also valid. Who cares if she has a reason. DON'T make her the way she is, and DON'T give her the reasons behind her attitude. It's like Cloud in AC again. Sure he has a reason to be all depressed and moody, a perfectly valid one at it, but he doesn't NEED to be that way.
Same with Vanille here. Why go through the hassles to give the character such a shitty persona and then say "Ohhhh because she has a troubled past and she acts like this intentionally". I would rather them make a character as bland as Edea of Bravely Default or Aerith of FFVII or Dagger of FFIX than making players sit through badly written dialogue lines out of a character who then has a convenient excuse to be such as an annoying character and us players are supposed to roll with it.
His nagging is understandable, but the main problem is the fact that you're stuck with that type of a chatacter for a long strech during the game. Hope easily has more gametime than any of the other characters. He probably has more gametime than Lightning who's suppose to be the main chatacter.
KoopaTheCasual
Junior Member
Seriously. I may agree with a majority of the points he raises, but he's just as annoying to listen to as Tidus.
Yes. She pretty much exists solely as a fan service character. I don't think anyone would argue otherwise.
EvilKatarn
Member
I think it was around the time Vanille joined my party when I realized I really should not keep playing FF XIII.
That goes quite bit deeper than whats asked in the op. I was merely reminding of what everyone seems to be forgetting.
I would then, agree that its a japanese thing.
I can not creatively imagine how this could possibly ever happen or ever work... or how FF XIII-2 and XIII-3 would've turned out if this was the case.
I guess you could have a weak main character surrounded by awesome supports, in which it would then play like an RPG because you are commanding the powerful characters that decide the battle, while Lightning plays the typical mystery OP archetype from animes...
I guess you could see it that way if you're trying to.
I also think you can interpret Snow's battle noises as him taking it up the rear, but it's all in the ear of the beholder I suppose.
Out of curiosity, have you played the game?
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Who's to say that her character attributes were set in stone? A lot of XIII's development was actually in terms of art and environments. The game itself wasn't developed until very late in the process.
I'm sure once you make Vanille the secondary female character, it's pretty natural to make her physically weak and more of a support role (sad but true).... If she were the main, maybe she'd be a tank.
She narrates the game, is the last face in the opening curscene, and her choices/growth are far more central to the plot than anything Lightning does. It's not really that surprising. In many ways, Vanille really is the closest thing to a main character whereas Lightning is more the face on the box.
That scene with a gun probably doesn't feel like a problem in most cultures, though: to some people guns are as foreign as dragons or magic, and it is entirely possible that there are guns in this game only because someone thought it would look "cool": no gun culture means not caring or being aware of basic gun safety.
Nevertheless I pretty much hated Vanille from start to finish, so... *shrug*
Nevertheless I pretty much hated Vanille from start to finish, so... *shrug*
What are some examples? Only one i can think of is Mayuri from Steins;Gate.
Yes and it's glorious.
http://static2.wikia.nocookie.net/_.../archive/f/f7/20091204162602!Hecatoncheir.png
I love it.
cj_iwakura
Member
They were likeable characters. Vanille is just annoying. Also, stupid.
I know about her facade. She's still a terrible person.
And I liked XIII, she's just the only person I couldn't stand. I even liked Hope and Snow more than her.
NinjaBoiX
Member
Yeah, I finished it in like 4 days, I actually really enjoyed it to be honest.
Vanille was my favourite character.
KoopaTheCasual
Junior Member
Ehh, Mayuri is more of the innocent/cutesy type, while Vanille was clearly very sexualized.
EvilKatarn
Member
Please enlighten us.
Same except the yuffie/selphie part. Didn't like them either in all honesty. Though ive never been much of a fan of the archetype anyway.
If you can find it, please post. I remember seeing some interviews with her and don't recall her ever not being respectful of the role, regardless of whether or not she knew about the series. And she returned for the sequels, so that's something.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Haha I can relate. It's been 4 years of this griping already! That's a whole era of bitching about one game!
You could just not talk about it.
Dark_castle
Junior Member
KittenMaster
Member
Even in FFXIII as it is now, Vanille was the most central character while Lightning is the least important. And it's apparent in theory and in hindsight that the game's overall plot was designed with playing as Vanille in mind, where had the game not adopted a reliance on flash backs
the game most likely would've started with Vanille and Fang waking from crystals, where she travels to Bohdum, the first town proper where all of the mess had started and the chain reaction of events had begun.
Trent Strong
Banned
Gotta play through Lightning Returns first.
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