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[SCULLIBUNDO]

Yes, because it's so hard to understand that fans of a team of costumed superheroes would like said costumed superheroes to wear their costumes on screen instead of generic black leather. Character design is important, who knew?

Where did I indicate that it was hard to understand that fans of comic books want to see their comic book heroes made to look like the comic books.

It's almost as if film is a different medium and that characters are composed of more than the clothes they wear.

 

[Anton Sugar]

Yes, because it's so hard to understand that fans of a team of costumed superheroes would like said costumed superheroes to wear their costumes on screen instead of generic black leather. Character design is important, who knew?

Yeah, I don't think anyone was literally confused because the costumes are needlessly generic.

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

I will say that Singer needs to shut the fuck up already and stop spoiling his own movie.

 

[Devolution]

I think I saw Quicksilver at last year's comiccon sitting on the floor, eating doritos.

 

[crimsonspider89]

Where did I indicate that it was hard to understand that fans of comic books want to see their comic book heroes made to look like the comic books.

It's almost as if film is a different medium and that characters are composed of more than the clothes they wear.

That isn't what he said... at all.

He said the generic black leather is just bad design, which it is.

WE don't want exact transfers but it would be nice if more than a 1/5 of the costumes were visually appealling or let us know more about the character.

Also didn't make them look like tools.

 

[Pai Pai Master]

Where did I indicate that it was hard to understand that fans of comic books want to see their comic book heroes made to look like the comic books.

It's almost as if film is a different medium and that characters are composed of more than the clothes they wear.

They definitely don't need to look like the books, I'm fine with some of the liberties Marvel's taken such as with Cap's costumes.

But it'd be nice to see some effort put into it. Practically everyone wears black in these movies and it looks boring. The characters are more than their costumes in the comics, too. But the costumes are an inherent part of the superhero genre, comic or film.

A good character design is appreciated in any medium. These guys are just taking the actors and putting them in generic black clothing.

 

[Platy]

Did someone say COSTUMES ???

 

[Palabrah]

Avengers Quicksilver is gonna be dope. Most these costumes look like hot garbage.

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

They definitely don't need to look like the books, I'm fine with some of the liberties Marvel's taken such as with Cap's costumes.

But it'd be nice to see some effort put into it. Practically everyone wears black in these movies and it looks boring. The characters are more than their costumes in the comics, too. But the costumes are an inherent part of the superhero genre, comic or film.

And that's what I think is the real problem here. This idea that the X-Men films need to conform to some sort of genre trope, when it essentially came before all these modern Superhero films and established its universe as one more closely embedded in reality. The franchise opens with a starkest of all scenes of Erik in a concentration camp, followed by Jean debating the pitfalls of a Mutant identification bill in the senate. Flamboyant costumes that have no real world motivation in this universe would stick out as something unnecessary.

 

[inky]

Guys, how am I supposed to tell these characters apart when they're not wearing their signifying costumes to delineate them from one another? This is The Godfather all over again. Everybody in similar colors and fashion. This trend needs to die. .

This is the stupidest thing I've read all day. I know you are the forums resident joke cinema critic/snob but how is it that hard to understand?

You cite the Godfather, right? Well, tell me this: How is Michael dressed at the wedding? How is Vito dressed at the wedding? How are the rest of the characters dressed? Are they all in a random, generic black tie suit just because it is a wedding?

Nevermind that The Godfather is not a Super Hero movie (notice the emphasis on Super Hero).

Seriously. Absolutely no one is making the case that they should just translate the same costumes over, but a little more imagination and care is welcome, and almost none of that is shown.

 

[Discotheque]

I will say that Singer needs to shut the fuck up already and stop spoiling his own movie.

Yo forreal it's even worse that he already spoiled the future of the series. How about not mentioning that until this one is released

Also avengers 2 isn't gonna be as good as this film. It will possibly have better action scenes though

Both quicksilvers are meh actors. The kickass guy is awful. Dude sounds like he's on oxy

 

[strafer]

oh shit

 

[WanderingWind]

Where did I indicate that it was hard to understand that fans of comic books want to see their comic book heroes made to look like the comic books.

It's almost as if film is a different medium and that characters are composed of more than the clothes they wear.

And yet Avengers, Spider-Man, Batman, Superman and a host of others were able to somehow operate in the same medium and keep the iconic costumes.

And yeah, in a team movie, visual cues are an absolute part of character distinction.

Still, it's a bit of an exaggeration to say everybody looks the same here. Colossus will be metal most of the time (if they do it right) Magneto, Mystique, Toad, Blink and Prof X - among others, have their own distinct look.

Now, X-Men 1...okay. But that was then.

 

[RobotNinjaHornets]

And that's what I think is the real problem here. This idea that the X-Men films need to conform to some sort of genre trope, when it essentially came before all these modern Superhero films and established its universe as one more closely embedded in reality. The franchise opens with a starkest of all scenes of Erik in a concentration camp, followed by Jean debating the pitfalls of a Mutant identification bill in the senate. Flamboyant costumes that have no real world motivation in this universe would stick out as something unnecessary.

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[Discotheque]

Yeah that's not a superhero costume though, that's a dork who listened to way too much ziggy stardust

Since his hair was white he thought he might as well wear that goofy shit to match

Guarantee at least wolverine will make a mockery of his clothing

 

[George Oscar Bluth II]

All three upcoming Marvel Studio films will most likely be described as mediocre or really bad by some posters on here, even if most reception is highly positive. That's just how it works.

 

[Pai Pai Master]

And that's what I think is the real problem here. This idea that the X-Men films need to conform to some sort of genre trope, when it essentially came before all these modern Superhero films and established its universe as one more closely embedded in reality. The franchise opens with a starkest of all scenes of Erik in a concentration camp, followed by Jean debating the pitfalls of a Mutant identification bill in the senate. Flamboyant costumes that have no real world motivation in this universe would stick out as something unnecessary.

Yeah. I get it and understand where you're coming from. It definitely would not work in these movies.

But that strict adherence to reality (in a movie about super powered mutants) is one of the reasons why I'm not a fan of these licensed films and the way they treat the property. They tend to throw the baby out with the bath water.

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

This is the stupidest thing I've read all day. I know you are the forums resident joke cinema critic/snob but how is it that hard to understand?

You cite the Godfather, right? Well, tell me this: How is Michael dressed at the wedding? How is Vito dressed at the wedding? How are the rest of the characters dressed? Are they all in a random, generic black tie suit just because it is a wedding?

Nevermind that The Godfather is not a Super Hero movie (notice the emphasis on Super Hero).

Seriously. Absolutely no one is making the case that they should just translate the same costumes over, but a little more imagination and care is welcome, and almost none of that is shown.

You're acting like the X-Men in Singer's films are always suited up in leather, when they often have their own specific attire or form of casual clothes. It's only when they go on a mission that they get into uniform.

The point I'm making is that a film's quality being judged by the suit-up costumes is ridiculously pedantic and seems to become the biggest barometer of quality for comic-book fanbases. Look at all the calls for FOX to finally hand Marvel the X-Men franchise 'to do it right!' based on these costumes. All while Singer's X-films are better than every single bland MCU film combined.

 

[Rastafarian42]

Well Grant Morrison did have the X-men dress up in black leather and ditched the costumes in his comic book run and that was around the same time the first X-men movie came out.

 

[crimsonspider89]

And that's what I think is the real problem here. This idea that the X-Men films need to conform to some sort of genre trope, when it essentially came before all these modern Superhero films and established its universe as one more closely embedded in reality. The franchise opens with a starkest of all scenes of Erik in a concentration camp, followed by Jean debating the pitfalls of a Mutant identification bill in the senate. Flamboyant costumes that have no real world motivation in this universe would stick out as something unnecessary.

And wearing all black leather isn't conforming to antoher trope of saying we are so serious?


Come on man.

Why is Magneto wearing his outfit? Your logic falls apart.

They are resistance fighters, so why would they wear easily identifiable black costumes instead of more civilian wear?

WE aren't wanting there comic costumes but costumes that FIT the character's personality. Hell the all black leather costumes in Blade II had mroe personal touches to help identify the characters attitudes.

Like Colossus, just should be wearing a pair of jeans and combat type boots. AKA the outback era. Just tells you about him from that.

They even missed out on using Sunspot's iconic black with red aura look which would look fantastic in daylight in the cinema.

These things are just them being lazy and not taking time to think of how to capture the character yet not go full cheese. Hell, Rogue's current costume is a green and white hoodie type jacket with green pants. You telling me that won't work in movie? Or using Wolverine's X-Force mask to keep the iconic look?

 

[Discotheque]

All three upcoming Marvel Studio films will mist likely be described as mediocre or really bad by some posters on here, even if most reception is highly positive. That's just how it works.

Not my fault they're directed by no name directors and aren't given freedom to do their own thing

What about the other way around. When they finally do get to make something interesting (iron man 3) it gets shat on by marvel studio fans here

For the record I'm looking forward to ant man more than any other blockbuster in the next couple years and I have high hopes for guardians.

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

Or using Wolverine's X-Force mask to keep the iconic look?

Give me one practical reason for Wolverine to wear his stupid mask. That shit would look ridiculous.

 

[crimsonspider89]

Not my fault they're directed by no name directors and aren't given freedom to do their own thing

What about the other way around. When they finally do get to make something interesting (iron man 3) it gets shat on by marvel studio fans here

For the record I'm looking forward to ant man more than any other blockbuster in the next couple years and I have high hopes for guardians.

Because the twist was damned stupid and ruined a chance for a very iconic villain who is a nice foil to Stark. Not to mention 10 Rings was an established terrorist group in IM.

And Mandarin is a business type man look now instead of the old look. So don't try to bring that up.

 

[MattKeil]

Well Grant Morrison did have the X-men dress up in black leather and ditched the costumes in his comic book run and that was around the same time the first X-men movie came out.

Yeah, because Marvel wanted them to look similar so that when the hordes of moviegoers picked up their first X-Men comic ever, they'd see a rough equivalent to the film outfits. Eventually they moved away from them, and Whedon re-established the classic outfits in Astonishing X-Men, which is probably fitting considering he went on to direct the third biggest film in history using classic outfits on the Avengers.

Characters like Kitty and Sunspot are going to get almost no character development, so why don't their outfits communicate something about them as a form of shorthand? There's just no information contained in the outfits they're wearing.

Because the twist was damned stupid and ruined a chance for a very iconic villain who is a nice foil to Stark. Not to mention 10 Rings was an established terrorist group in IM.

And Mandarin is a business type man look now instead of the old look. So don't try to bring that up.

Still blows my mind that people were gullible enough to think that Kingsley's Mandarin is the actual and only Mandarin in the MCU. It's like they've never read a comic book or something.

 

[Anton Sugar]

Give me one practical reason for Wolverine to wear his stupid mask. That shit would look ridiculous.

Sonar!

 

[crimsonspider89]

Give me one practical reason for Wolverine to wear his stupid mask. That shit would look ridiculous.

I don't know, psychological effect, and no, someone already did a photoshop and it looked good.

Have you seen X-Force mask of Logan?

 

[George Oscar Bluth II]

Not my fault they're directed by no name directors and aren't given freedom to do their own thing

What about the other way around. When they finally do get to make something interesting (iron man 3) it gets shat on by marvel studio fans here

For the record I'm looking forward to ant man more than any other blockbuster in the next couple years and I have high hopes for guardians.

Personally, I didn't find Iron Man 3 that bad and I'm a big Marvel Studios and comic book fan. What a lot of people found positive about the film, such as character study, I agree with. However, I believe there were some ideas in there that weren't executed too well or were a little too far from the source material for my liking.

EDIT: I like the fact they get no name directors because it's like they're giving everyone a chance to do something big, you know? Same with a lot of their actors.

 

[Platy]

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You know what is the diference between that pic and these ones ?

In the cover he looks BORED, exactly the expression someone who happens to be in the damn "snail puzzle in front of psyquiatrist" page that EVERYONE always post when talking about quicksilver =P

In the other images he don't look that bad.

Not "crap collant with rainbow", but not bad.

It is the 70's !
HIPPIES HAPPENED !
Walkman were invented !

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

I don't know, psychological effect, and no, someone already did a photoshop and it looked good.

Have you seen X-Force mask of Logan?

I saw the photoshop and it looked bad.

Psychological effect? Is it so people are paralyzed with laughter before he cuts them up? You've got his hairy, bulky mutton-chop fuck running at you with elongated claws. He really doesn't need a stupid mask.

 

[crimsonspider89]

Personally, I didn't find Iron Man 3 that bad and I'm a big Marvel Studios and comic book fan. What a lot of people found positive about the film, such as character study, I agree with. However, I believe there were some ideas in there that weren't executed too well or were a little too far from the source material for my liking.

Yeah it had high moments but the twist at the end was just stupid.

Should of alluded to the real Mandarin being the one who did all of that.

 

[crimsonspider89]

I saw the photoshop and it looked bad.

Psychological effect? Is it so people are paralyzed with laughter before he cuts them up? You've got his hairy, bulky mutton-chop fuck running at you with elongated claws. He really doesn't need a stupid mask.

That looked fine. Your telling me a man running at you with a mask doesn't scare you more than not? Especially when the mask in question has red eyes and is designed to look more like an animal?

Come on.

 

[MC Safety]

That looked fine. Your telling me a man running at you with a mask doesn't scare you more than not? Especially when the mask in question has red eyes and is designed to look more like an animal?

Come on.

He has big claws and is probably yelling or snarling when he lunges at you. I would say adding a mask would have minimal effect.

It's dumb Wolverine wears a mask in the comics. Then again, he never seemed like a guy who would want to join a team, either.

 

[Xamdou]

the quicksilver costume might be the worst design i've ever seen in a comicbook movie. holy fuck.

and damn, anna paquin (dat ass) and jlaw looking good.

magneto's costume look mostly good. a for effort. oldneto looks good too.

edit: they fucked toad too.

lol still no cyclops. they've retconned so much shit they might as well throw him back in there. fuck :-(

i don't want his shitty brother from the other movie.

Quicksilver feels like a lazy last minute Add on to the movie. At least for sure Marvel will do him justice in Avengers 2.

Like i have said multiple times in the thread bring back Cyclops or Jean since their going back in time.

I must say though Blink has me super excited, I can settle for her since their not bringing back Nightcrawler. Also JLaw looking mighty fine in this movie!

 

[Rastafarian42]

Yeah, because Marvel wanted them to look similar so that when the hordes of moviegoers picked up their first X-Men comic ever, they'd see a rough equivalent to the film outfits. Eventually they moved away from them, and Whedon re-established the classic outfits in Astonishing X-Men, which is probably fitting considering he went on to direct the third biggest film in history using classic outfits on the Avengers.

Characters like Kitty and Sunspot are going to get almost no character development, so why don't their outfits communicate something about them as a form of shorthand? There's just no information contained in the outfits they're wearing.

I'm just saying is it REALLY that big a deal their wearing leather costumes it's been adopted in the comics and it's been adopted in theses movies for almost 15 years.

 

[Discotheque]

Glad they didn't use the mask for this wolverine. Now his brown costume I could be fine with. But it would just be weird if he decided to start donning a mask.

And why doesn't Thor wear his goddamn helmet in his films. Comic fanboys have selective hate. If this film was by marvel studios they would be losing it over the cast saying "oh wow DC is so screwed. Best cast in a comic book film. Based mckellen"

 

[Big Baybee]

Yea, saying that costumes wouldn't work in this movie where we have Magneto flamboyantly strutting

Spoiler

flying

around in a cape and helmet is kind of silly. It would totally work. Fox just needs the balls to say fuck it and go with it. People would embrace it, I feel.

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

That looked fine. Your telling me a man running at you with a mask doesn't scare you more than not? Especially when the mask in question has red eyes and is designed to look more like an animal?

Come on.

Maybe he should wear just the mask and be naked? That would be even scarier. Maybe his mask should also be on fire when he goes out on a mission.

Oh wait, I'm being silly, that would be impractical. Just like his mask.

 

[crimsonspider89]

Psychological effect. Wearing a mask takes away the human aspect of an attack.

What I find funny is how Magneto is wearing his costume yet people are fine with that but not fine with people being gvien more unique looks. Instead of leather everywhere.

Considering only Magneto/Xavier/Logan going to be given time. Everyone else one or two scenes then disappear.

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

Glad they didn't use the mask for this wolverine. Now his brown costume I could be fine with. But it would just be weird if he decided to start donning a mask.

And why doesn't Thor wear his goddamn helmet in his films. Comic fanboys have selective hate. If this film was by marvel studios they would be losing it over the cast saying "oh wow DC is so screwed. Best cast in a comic book film. Based mckellen"

McKellen, Stewart, Jackman, Fassbender, McAvoy, Lawrence (who I believe Singer will pull something better out of).

This film is in another league.

 

[George Oscar Bluth II]

At least Logan has a colour scheme going on under that armour. Magneto has a cape and some cool looking armour, Charles has a nice hover chair and Colossus is gonna be in metal mode. Everyone else is in generic black leather though, except Rogue. I guess those characters weren't really a priority and unfortunately it will show.

Also, I want Thor to wear his damn helmet into battle. Just scale it down a little to not make his head look huge.

 

[crimsonspider89]

Glad they didn't use the mask for this wolverine. Now his brown costume I could be fine with. But it would just be weird if he decided to start donning a mask.

And why doesn't Thor wear his goddamn helmet in his films. Comic fanboys have selective hate. If this film was by marvel studios they would be losing it over the cast saying "oh wow DC is so screwed. Best cast in a comic book film. Based mckellen"

We are fine with that since more of his classic costume is in tact.

And yes Mckellan is awesome as is Fassbender, Jackman, Lawrence.

Also none of the MCU movies are in my top five comic book movies FYI. Those belong to XM2, SM2, Batman, Hellboy 2, and V for Vendetta.


EDIT: Scully why do you act so biased? MCU has made terrific casting as well yet you act like it is garbage? Just be honest. You still mad that Avengers/IM3 destroyed DKR/MoS.

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

Psychological effect. Wearing a mask takes away the human aspect of an attack.

What I find funny is how Magneto is wearing his costume yet people are fine with that but not fine with people being gvien more unique looks. Instead of leather everywhere.

Considering only Magneto/Xavier/Logan going to be given time. Everyone else one or two scenes then disappear.

You know why people are fine with Mags wearing his costume? Because it's a fucking costume that we pay no mind to and aren't about to let influence our opinion of an entire film. Films are more than costumes. This whole conversation is pedantic and ridiculous.

 

[crimsonspider89]

You know why people are fine with Mags wearing his costume? Because it's a fucking costume that we pay no mind to and aren't about to let influence our opinion of an entire film. Films are more than costumes. This whole conversation is pedantic and ridiculous.

No it isn't.

So an argument that undermines your argument doesn't count?

Magneto's costume is unrealistic and a direct adaptation of his comic costume. It helped establish his personality.

You see him and you know who he is. That is the point of costumes.

Small details can go a long way, especailly considering half the cast is going to have less than 5 minutes time so the costumes are needed to establish who they are.

 

[George Oscar Bluth II]

You know why people are fine with Mags wearing his costume? Because it's a fucking costume that we pay no mind to and aren't about to let influence our opinion of an entire film. Films are more than costumes. This whole conversation is pedantic and ridiculous.

Films are definitely more than costumes, but with all these images releasing, costumes are usually the only new thing we can actually discuss about the film.

 

[Discotheque]

Xmen 2 and Spider-Man 2? Colour me surprised brah. Glad some fans can look past just pure faithfulness

 

[George Oscar Bluth II]

Xmen 2 and Spider-Man 2? Colour me surprised brah. Glad some fans can look past just pure faithfulness

I'd say Spiderman 2 was quite faithful actually. But X-Men 2 took some changes for the better.

 

[RobotNinjaHornets]

Also, why are masks too far, but someone being called Magneto not? That's a fucking ridiculous name.

 

[Big Baybee]

Also, why are masks too far, but someone being called Magneto not? That's a fucking ridiculous name.

I was just watching First Class again the other night, and when he breaks Emma Frost out and is like "Nah, call me Magneto." I burst out laughing.

 

[crimsonspider89]

Xmen 2 and Spider-Man 2? Colour me surprised brah. Glad some fans can look past just pure faithfulness

Yep. My issue with the DoFP costumes are that majority are so bland and considering how many characters are, costumes are need to help establish there personality from the getgo and some characters they are missing out on great visualizations with the costumes.

Colossus needs to be shirtless because the going metal if done right would look fantastic.
Iceman needs to go sleveless and show one of his arms going full ice like him going full ice in comics to do some neat lighting effect and uniqueness. Sunspot should be wearing some type of old designer clothes soccer style and him going his comci look of full black with a glow would look fantastic in sunlight.

 

[MC Safety]

Also, why are masks too far, but someone being called Magneto not? That's a fucking ridiculous name.

I guess because one is inherently more easy to swallow.