If a sufficiently skilled player can get a good head start it gradually becomes more and more dangerous to attack him since his attacks continually build in power. It's either going to turn into a kitefest or bloody murder.
Super Smash Bros Wii U & 3DS Thread 4: New Year, Old Arguments
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If a sufficiently skilled player can get a good head start it gradually becomes more and more dangerous to attack him since his attacks continually build in power. It's either going to turn into a kitefest or bloody murder.
Lord_Byron28
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I fully expect Mewtwo to return and every Brawl character to return as I've thought for a while. With that said given the meltdowns and crying I wouldn't mind pokemon from newer gens making it in. I agree that Smash over represent gen wunners.
You do damage and get rewarded with the potential to do more damage. If a Lucario powers up with low percentage they will be harder to kill without taking significant damage, but if they are strong at a high percentage it gives other players more of a chance. This would probably be most annoying in FFA if Lucario targets weaker players or keeps a distance.
I'm basing this off the idea that Lucario is a good character that can get even stronger, rather than a weak character that can get good.
theprodigy
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also not in tournament play, but item spawns are supposed to favor the loser
and while not explicitly "comeback mechanics", the general pace of the game, as well as the abomination known as tripping, is clearly a (very poor) attempt to even the scales
and I think it's safe to assume Link will suck again
that's why Project M's idea is so great, he doesn't actually get stronger but builds up meter
NeonZ
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lol, I don't know why I said it could be an assist trophy even though I knew about the fact the Yellow Devil was in the background.
Anyways, some people thought it could be a co-op boss mode.
Unless they now made it possible for more than 2 people to do boss mode, it is pretty much confirmed as a stage hazard.
Well, if we're going by in-game mechanics, without assuming any "cheats" for the screenshots, the only place where you could get Mario using his jump attack and having no effect on others at that range would be in some kind of co-op mode. And team battle would change the colors of the team members to a single one, so Mario wouldn't have his default outfit there. So, it still could be some co-op boss battle.
Look at Lucario! He's flying in Iron Man Style!
What is he even doing in this shot?
After seeing Project M Lucario, i'm inclined to disagree. The damage boost i'm envisioning isn't "that" significant.
Making a Lucario a good character at base and keeping the Aura mechanic is a really bad idea, since the Lucario player would be the only character in the game who is significantly rewarded by *nothing.*
Ideally, the damage boost would be temporary or it would be balanced in a way that's not too significant.
chaobreaker
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His Up-B most likely.
theprodigy
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wait, avatars on GAF are 100x120?
there's a 3DS resolution joke somewhere in there
there's a 3DS resolution joke somewhere in there
Poltergust
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I'm positive that item spawns are 100% random.
C.Olimar788
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It's Extremespeed, his Up-Special.
And yeah the Aura mechanic is pretty badly implemented in Brawl. I get that it's supposed to be a "comeback mechanic", but it doesn't work well when only one character in the roster has it, and... doesn't work tremendously well for Smash Bros. even then.
Plus it just makes no sense for Lucario's character. No Pokemon media portrays Aura as some kind of "limit breaker" that gets stronger when the Pokemon takes damage. PM's version of Lucario's Aura makes a lot more sense mechanically, and it's more intuitive to suggest that the more damage Lucario causes with Aura the more powerful it becomes, whether that's through a super meter or simply increasing his strength.
Sakurai's version of Aura isn't the worst mechanic in the world, but it's not really a very good one, either. Too bad he only seems to be interested in changing Bowser and not any other veterans, haha.
that's why Project M's idea is so great, he doesn't actually get stronger but builds up meter
Fair enough.
The reactions to Lucario make my head hurt. His presence doesn't deconfirm Mewtwo and I have no idea why anyone thinks it does. The only kinds of things that would deconfirm Mewtwo himself would be if he showed up in the game in a non-playable role (Ex: Pokeball summon) or if Sakurai just outright said he isn't in the game.
The Bankslammer
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but alfonzo
Shadow Hog
Member
Clean:
I'm cool with his return, and don't see that this disconfirms Mewtwo in any sense. There's totally room for both. Hell, there's room for a rivalry between the two of them.
Suddenly, a white flash. Everything is bathed in a white light, and it almost looks like one is viewing the fight through a thin, shimmering waterfall.
Oblivious to what's happening, both fighters continue. Mario rushes toward Bowser, hoping this is the time he lands the hit that will turn this fight around, and leaps in the air to smack his fist into the overgrown turtle's face.
Alas, Bowser sees this coming, and counters with a devastating swipe of his clawed hand directly into Mario's chest. The blow is so hard, Mario is sent flying off of the castle walls. Peach screams Mario's name in abject horror, as Bowser begins laughing evilly.
Mario is limp as he falls through the air, but still very much conscious; his pupils constrict and his jaw drops as he faces his certain fiery death in a lava pool come flying directly towards his head, very, very quickly. From first-person, the lava comes closer and closer, as if it were an oncoming truck and the viewer were driving a car down the wrong side of the road. The lava hits...
Then, another white flash. The colors are back to normal, and the shimmering effect is completely gone. Mario is once again atop the castle - tired, but very much not burnt to a crisp by molten rock. He preps to run, putting his plan into action, completely aware that it might fail, but unaware that its failure is now ultimately predestined.
Footsteps. Somebody else is running atop this castle, at top speed. But, the feet do not seem to belong to anyone of the Mario universe...
Mario begins his run. Bowser grins, and prepares to counter Mario's next moves.
The foreigner's feet slide a bit as they round a corner, quickly changing directions.
Mario is about to jump, but suddenly, he hears the loud footsteps of the foreigner, causing him to forget and instead start sliding his feet, in an attempt to stop his built-up momentum directly toward Bowser.
Bowser, nevertheless, pulls his arm back, ready to swat Mario off the roof. Mario's momentum is too much; he's going to be in range of Bowser's arm one way or another. The evil king makes his swing.
His hand hits the flat end of a sword. The foreigner has come to a stop in between Mario and Bowser, and successfully parried the attack. Bowser recoils from the unexpected shock of hitting an object far more solid than a plumber's belly. Mario skids to a stop, unscathed, but looks up in confusion at his unexpected savior.
The foreigner, largely unfazed from the blow they just blocked, quickly orients themselves in an offensive stance, prepared to goad the Koopa king into a fight with a more ready opponent. They speak:
I'm cool with his return, and don't see that this disconfirms Mewtwo in any sense. There's totally room for both. Hell, there's room for a rivalry between the two of them.
I dunno, dog pawpads tend to be the same texture (albeit a lot drier, since dog noses are often quite wet), and Lucario doesn't really have fur on his paws at all, so... (Although he still has pawpads in spite of that, oddly. I'm overthinking this.)
Scene: atop a tall castle, centered in a vast lake of lava. "Engage the Enemy" is playing. Mario is fighting Bowser, while Peach, tied up, looks onward helplessly. It's a close battle, but it looks like the fight is really getting to Mario; he's not down for the count, but he's visibly panting and sweating.
Suddenly, a white flash. Everything is bathed in a white light, and it almost looks like one is viewing the fight through a thin, shimmering waterfall.
Oblivious to what's happening, both fighters continue. Mario rushes toward Bowser, hoping this is the time he lands the hit that will turn this fight around, and leaps in the air to smack his fist into the overgrown turtle's face.
Alas, Bowser sees this coming, and counters with a devastating swipe of his clawed hand directly into Mario's chest. The blow is so hard, Mario is sent flying off of the castle walls. Peach screams Mario's name in abject horror, as Bowser begins laughing evilly.
Mario is limp as he falls through the air, but still very much conscious; his pupils constrict and his jaw drops as he faces his certain fiery death in a lava pool come flying directly towards his head, very, very quickly. From first-person, the lava comes closer and closer, as if it were an oncoming truck and the viewer were driving a car down the wrong side of the road. The lava hits...
Then, another white flash. The colors are back to normal, and the shimmering effect is completely gone. Mario is once again atop the castle - tired, but very much not burnt to a crisp by molten rock. He preps to run, putting his plan into action, completely aware that it might fail, but unaware that its failure is now ultimately predestined.
Footsteps. Somebody else is running atop this castle, at top speed. But, the feet do not seem to belong to anyone of the Mario universe...
Mario begins his run. Bowser grins, and prepares to counter Mario's next moves.
The foreigner's feet slide a bit as they round a corner, quickly changing directions.
Mario is about to jump, but suddenly, he hears the loud footsteps of the foreigner, causing him to forget and instead start sliding his feet, in an attempt to stop his built-up momentum directly toward Bowser.
Bowser, nevertheless, pulls his arm back, ready to swat Mario off the roof. Mario's momentum is too much; he's going to be in range of Bowser's arm one way or another. The evil king makes his swing.
His hand hits the flat end of a sword. The foreigner has come to a stop in between Mario and Bowser, and successfully parried the attack. Bowser recoils from the unexpected shock of hitting an object far more solid than a plumber's belly. Mario skids to a stop, unscathed, but looks up in confusion at his unexpected savior.
The foreigner, largely unfazed from the blow they just blocked, quickly orients themselves in an offensive stance, prepared to goad the Koopa king into a fight with a more ready opponent. They speak:
"Dance with me!"
I've said it before, but I'll say it as many times as it warrants saying: Revengeance tracks have to be in Smash 4. Even if Raiden himself is not. The music is just that good. (Although I suppose Raiden could replace Grey Fox as an Assist Trophy?)
I doubt it was just a marketing ploy for MGS4; Kojima was begging for Snake's inclusion as early as before Melee came out. Kojima just wants Snake in the roster, period. I doubt he'd turn down another go-around, if offered.
This is awesome, lol
I thought it was amusing.
It's the end of the month
No chrom
Uh-oh!
An admitted troll
Here to start shit
Uh-oh!
ShockingAlberto
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Fucking finally.
ShockingAlberto
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Technically Mewtwo is the clone
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
I thought it was amusing.
Fucking amazing.
Shadow Hog
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Didn't stop him from keeping Falco and then adding Wolf on top of it. Pretty sure Mewtwo and Lucario are even more different from one another than those three already are.
But it never stopped Sakurai in putting clones in the game so why would he now.
I thought it was amusing.
I hope this thing goes viral. I love these Alfonzo means.
This one made me laugh out loud.
Lucario fan?
I only visit this thread semi-frequently (not much to discuss until they start showing significant new content, I.E. more newcomers), but I've been under the impression all of Afoni's comments are tongue in cheek/all in good fun...? Never took any of his declarations seriously.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Afoni...
You'll be missed rabbit.
He will forever remembered in Smash Cycle picture. Dat Rabbit with tear.
Well, You haven't seen him trolling some people two threads ago or something like that. That's when he got his title from.
ShockingAlberto
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Rarely played him.
Lucario's Aura Sphere is similar to Mewtwo's Shadow Ball. That's about it. Since there was leftover Mewtwo data on Brawl's disk, I think Sakurai wants them both in, and now he has a great reason since they also happen to be relevant in XY.
Shadow Hog
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No, I think he was just fed up with afoni.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
Gotdamn, cant say he didnt have it coming.
I was kinda fed up with afoni too, I know he was playing around, but it wasn't funny to anyone but him.
Back on topic, Mewtwo will be back, I'm fairly confident that will be the case based on Sakurai's past responses, his acknowledgment of the character's popularity, and Gamefreak's consistent reintroduction of the character into the series/movies/games.
Back on topic, Mewtwo will be back, I'm fairly confident that will be the case based on Sakurai's past responses, his acknowledgment of the character's popularity, and Gamefreak's consistent reintroduction of the character into the series/movies/games.
Here's a good example of a character who gets rewarded for attacking.
So Labrys is a character that's rewarded for doing damage to a balanced extent. There's an incentive for attacking opponents to gain axe levels, but aggressively attacking an opponent can cost you the match. You can be a bold player who goes for the risky combos for extra damage, or you can disregard trying to max out the Axe level and play conservatively.
Ideally, I would have wanted Lucario's Aura to function like that. Alas, it wasn't meant to be.
So Labrys is a character that's rewarded for doing damage to a balanced extent. There's an incentive for attacking opponents to gain axe levels, but aggressively attacking an opponent can cost you the match. You can be a bold player who goes for the risky combos for extra damage, or you can disregard trying to max out the Axe level and play conservatively.
Ideally, I would have wanted Lucario's Aura to function like that. Alas, it wasn't meant to be.
Indeed.
Now if only I could get my favorite of the "antrhopomorphic energy glob using pokemon".
Maybe i misread it, but i took it to mean that they had different movesets FROM EACHOTHER, not from their past incarnations. If he meant past incarnations, then yes, debunked.
Wasn't it de-confirmed from the "leak" saying Diddy was the next announcement?
Save 'N Quit
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It was one of the first things confirmed not to return.