Baron von Loathsome
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Diplomacy has failed. HashtagTeamWonderfulOnesForSmash, unite up!
Super Smash Bros Wii U & 3DS Thread 4: New Year, Old Arguments
- Thread starter IntelliHeath
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Diplomacy has failed. HashtagTeamWonderfulOnesForSmash, unite up!
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
For Melee, YES.
My revised 50 character expected/dream roster:
I only see 45.
Sheik, Zero Suit Samus, Charizard/Squirtle/Ivysaur, and Tetra (or Toon Sheik) are considered unique characters, they just don't have dedicated spaces on the select screen.
I'd agree with you there. If we do get a Zelda newcomer, I'd prefer it to be something that isn't a Toon version of an already established character.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Star Fox Assault has some nice stages too, like Fichina and Sargasso Space Station.
Burning Justice
the superior princess
EDIT: Never mind, already been pointed out. Missed it.
Choppasmith
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My revised 50 character expected/dream roster:
Add Shulk and I'd be pretty happy and content with that roster.
oreomunsta
Banned
Benzychenz
Member
Y'know, I'm really gonna need either Shulk or Wonder Red/Wonderful 100 to be happy with the roster.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
I guess you didn't see my previous post, but yeah. I know that. I'm following with websites' reveal dates. BTW it's Nov 3, 2006 for Fox's trailer.
Shadow Hog
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Add both, Little Mac, and one more, plus a slot for Random, and I think I'd be good.
Burning Justice
the superior princess
Yeah, I missed it at first, and noticed it right before you posted this. Oops.
SkullHydra
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ಠ_ಠ
Benzychenz
Member
Speak for your self.
Red Arremer
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Baron von Loathsome
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ArchedThunder
Banned
Shulk will be playable damn it, HE WILL BE PLAYABLE!
Red Arremer
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My revised 50 character expected/dream roster:
You know, if that is the roster we'd end up with, it kinda would feel lame. There's not really any characters there that seem to be weird and new in terms of gameplay or just being there - Wii Fit Trainer and Rosalina really are the only choices here that would qualify for that.
I wouldn't object to the roster, but it just lacks the ROBs and Lucarios and Olimars of Brawl, if you know what I mean.
I'm also hoping for more than 8 newcomers.
Werewolf Jones
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If that's the case then who would you personally like to see? That potential roster is pretty good minus Ridley.
Benzychenz
Member
I need this blade to be in the hands of a playable character, not an assist trophy.
So you want it to be an item?
I couldn't resist 
Choppasmith
Member
Ah, I mentioned this many many pages ago, but had no idea where to find it, thanks.
oreomunsta
Banned
I get where you're coming from and I feel it slightly too. But there's the underlying problem of proportionality. With Brawl's fairly large cast, the same number of new additions won't feel as large if there's 5 familiar faces for every new one.
I don't feel though that it would be a valid complaint since the roster would be really large at this point (and I'm dubious as to how much capacity a 3DS card could hold), but believe in Sakurai for he has the power to surprise =)
Red Arremer
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I dunno. Nintendo has a lot of wacky franchises and characters that would be really cool to have. Like, for instance Captain Rainbow, Sukapon from Joy Mech Fight, or Lip from Panel de Pon, Chibi Robo, would all be really fun characters to have on the roster. Wonder Red/Wonderful 101 is also such a good idea to include.
Or from already established series - I'd like to see, I dunno, a body guard from Tingle's Rosy Rupeeland, or any of the ridiculous characters from the F-Zero series.
I want Sakurai to surprise me. All of the characters on Ryce's list are such "safe" picks. The wacky character choices are what makes Smash so charming, in my opinion. I enjoyed it with 64 and having Falcon and Ness, I enjoyed it with Melee having G&W and Ice Climbers, and I enjoyed it with Brawl and the aforementioned characters.
Even though I'm probably in the minority.
Takamaru isn't a safe pick. It would really be a lucky guess for many people.
An obscure Japan-only IP that had "a game within another game" and it had a cameo in another obscure Japan-only game.
EDIT: Forgot about Nintendo Land, but if you think about it, it is the only ninja/samurai IP related thing they have, they probably dug deep for that one.
An obscure Japan-only IP that had "a game within another game" and it had a cameo in another obscure Japan-only game.
EDIT: Forgot about Nintendo Land, but if you think about it, it is the only ninja/samurai IP related thing they have, they probably dug deep for that one.
Red Arremer
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Takamaru is a safe pick to me if only because his game was featured in Nintendo Land. Otherwise, I would agree with you.
Though I also think that he too would be a really boring character - yet another swordsman.
Aaronrules380
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Why are people still assuming nobody from Brawl will get cut? Just because Lucario is in again?
Werewolf Jones
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I see what you mean I feel the same way, Wii Fit Trainer is the best newcomer so far easily, granted Mega Man was hype and people doubted he might ever get in because of Capcom's lack of support for him these days but Wii Fit Trainer technically isn't even a CHARACTER compared to Mega Man. Takamaru and Ridley are who I really want but if Sakurai put like Mach Rider in or Shulk I'd get mega hype. There's nothing better than obscure or silly characters.
Baron von Loathsome
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IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Red Arremer pls.
We don't know if they could be interesting or boring characters until we see the moveset and characters itself from the trailers because Sakurai could make any characters interesting if he want to.
Because the only evidence to the contrary is that a few characters were cut from a rushed game. Two were still planned, and the other three were near-carbon copies of other characters, something that Brawl was careful to avoid. (Save Toon Link, who is basically a model swap of Young Link anyway.)
They've got devs from both Bamco and Nintendo on it and there was a pretty clear development schedule from the start.
# of Swordsmen in Brawl: 5
# of characters who hands/feet as their main method to attack in Brawl:
too many for me to count
It's all about presentation and feel of the characters. Marth is a nimble/elegant swordsman. Ike is a heavy, slow, and powerful swordsman. I don't know what I would classify Link and Toon Link as, but they feel very different.
Nearly forgot about Meta Knight lol. He is a quick swordsman that does a lot of damage quickly.
That's what I was referring to in this, "a game within another game", but it's my fault for not stating that clearly.
Red Arremer
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Okay, so what wacky things would Takamaru do then? I mean, it's obvious that, as a swordsman, he's gonna use mostly sword moves. And as his specials, he probably will have some ninja stars, and Inazuma thunder as either another special or his final smash. And that's where his game's source material ends. I guess we could see some other ninja magic or weapons, but I dunno. I just don't think that Takamaru is ever gonna be even slightly comparable in wacky playstyle to Olimar, or Rosalina, or the Ice Climbers.
Now that I think about it... Marth is the only one who attacks solely with his sword (grabs excluded). He is like the balrog of smash!
oreomunsta
Banned
Sakurai could keep a ninja-motif with Takamaru and make the character really acrobatic, like Sheik and ZSS. That would be pretty dope =) As for really interesting, surprising characters... I think most of them have been speculated on this board. But that's not a problem, since speculation and seeing them in motion are two different things.
Aaronrules380
Member
I still don't expect Snake to get in again. I feel like he was put in one time as a favor for a friend.
Also, didn't Sakurai say in an interview early on that he knew all the characters they were considering, but that some would probably be cut in the middle of development?
Also, didn't Sakurai say in an interview early on that he knew all the characters they were considering, but that some would probably be cut in the middle of development?
Baron von Loathsome
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Fair enough, but Samurai Warriors 3 was released internationally.
Red Arremer
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I get what you mean, but "slashing with sword quickly", "slashing with sword strongly" and "slashing with sword elegantly" doesn't seem very different in comparison to "commands plant drones for attacks", "uses space-based magic" or "utilizes a yo-yo".
Comparing the entire roster is kinda a false comparison. How about we compare all the guys who use lasers? Or who only use their fists?
Yeah, I sold the 3DS XL since I've had one for a while, but the Wii U was a nice addition. I've only played W101 a couple times with a friend, but now I can't wait to experience the entire thing myself.
The Wonderful 101 is literally Viewtiful Joe and Pikmin mashed together in one amazing game and if that isn't unique enough for you guys for a character then I have no idea what is unique by your high standards.
I'd still much rather have Platinum Robo as the W101 rep since all the Wonderful Ones pilot it and you can use all the Unite Morphs you want.
Genius Sorority please get bought by Nintendo so we can have the Denpa Men be reps.
Red Arremer
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I dunno, we were talking about wacky character designs and how I would like to see more of them, and I said that I think Takamaru would be kinda boring cause he's another swordsman, and then somebody said that there's a lot of differences between all the swordsmen and then suddenly I am attacked by a murder of verbal crows and apparently completely unfair to Takamaru.
I just don't think he has enough potential to be an Olimar or a Rosalina, that's all what I'm saying.
Fair enough.
I don’t mean to single you out, but I think the general condescension towards “safe” rosters is a combination of revisionist history and goalpost moving.
Regarding the revisionist history: Pokémon Trainer and R.O.B. were the only post-E3 2006 Brawl newcomers that nobody (or very few people) speculated. Ike, Diddy, Lucas, Sonic, Dedede, Olimar, Lucario, Toon Link, and Wolf were all heavily discussed from the moment Brawl was revealed. Few people wanted Toon Link or Wolf, but they were still talked about. People thought Young Link would get a Wind Waker redesign and/or be renamed to Cel-Shaded Link, Cat-Eyed Link, or Hero of Winds. There was even a hoax that Sakurai confirmed Toon Link during a radio interview. Wolf seems to be forgotten because Krystal was the more anticipated Star Fox character.
Regarding goalpost moving: for whatever reason, people act like the already revealed newcomers don’t count as surprises when critiquing roster predictions. I wouldn’t call any of the four revealed newcomers “safe.” Nobody saw Wii Fit Trainer coming, nobody expected a Rosalina & Luma tag team, and everyone counted Villager out after Sakurai deemed Animal Crossing unfit for Brawl. Even Mega Man scored poorly in Heath’s pre-E3 roster prediction contest. I can’t help that they’ve already been revealed. That also doesn’t mean every future newcomer is going to somehow shock everybody — there’s a finite amount of Nintendo characters left, and an even smaller amount of sensible Nintendo characters left. It’s not beyond reason to assume that we already know about most of the unexpected newcomers.