And what kind of power increase would Lucario receive under max aura in Brawl? An attack that does 10% normally would suddenly do......?
Super Smash Bros Wii U & 3DS Thread 4: New Year, Old Arguments
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oreomunsta
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Don't know how helpful it would be, but if you compare where the light blue "spikes" radiate out you'll notice that they both sit in/on the floor pretty well. The Brawl sphere is pretty close to the full height of Lucario, ears including. Examining his ear-height horizontally on the 4 model, you can make a line that only reaches 75% of the way up the sphere. So the new sphere is ~33% larger than the old sphere
I can tell you that the new one is the same size as lucario.
Can't put up a pic though.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
with the fiercest swift attack you've ever seen.
I didn't know Mewtwo became a magical girl now
Red Arremer
Member
Thanks for the pic. Having them side by side like that, I really like the eye design of Smash 4 Lucario a lot more than Brawl's.
I agree. He looks life-less in Brawl compared to the new model.
I just noticed that those black things behind his head are not flying/floating anymore.
Well, I did a little test right now.
Lucario's down aerial attack does 11% at zero aura.
At near max aura (I could only live up until 150% with 2 stocks behind) it does 29% with far, far greater knockback.
As far as I know, Lucario turns into the one of the strongest characters in all of Brawl when at max aura. At zero aura he has a very, very hard time KO'ing opponents as his attacks are so weak.
That sucks because if Lucario is at a stock advantage, he'll be extremely weak. Momentum is always against Lucario.
Way larger than Brawl's at high damage.
both the wii u and 3ds lucario models run miles around the brawl one.
theprodigy
Member
you probably need to take into account the effects of stale moves in Brawl weakening the damage of attacks if you use it multiple times in a row
8 X 11 Printer Paper
Member
By far the biggest improvements to the characters have been their expressions.
For my test, zero aura was done in training mode (they never stale in training mode), while max aura was done by letting Samus beat me up for 5 minutes straight while I did nothing but attempt to survive in a 4 stock match. So all the moves are fresh!
Still though, stale moves must absolutely suck for Lucario at low aura (aka, he's winning).
Masked Man
I said wow
The extra comment on the JPN is exclusively for the Japanese version of the game. In the JPN Pokemon games, "Aura" (JPN: hadou/はどう
is listed as 波動 in the Pokemon games, but as 波導 in Smash and in the Pokemon movies.
(The difference is semantic: the first uses the character for "moving", while the second uses the character for "leading/guiding". He probably also made this distinction because there are other attacks that have similar JPN names--Aqua Pulse is みずのはどう, Dark Pulse is あくのはどう, etc. "Aura" is a separate concept (not "pulse") and thus uses a different kanji.
is listed as 波動 in the Pokemon games, but as 波導 in Smash and in the Pokemon movies. (The difference is semantic: the first uses the character for "moving", while the second uses the character for "leading/guiding". He probably also made this distinction because there are other attacks that have similar JPN names--Aqua Pulse is みずのはどう, Dark Pulse is あくのはどう, etc. "Aura" is a separate concept (not "pulse") and thus uses a different kanji.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
They should remove the stock requirement really.
That's not Lucario at max power then. His max power occurs when he's down two stocks or more and is at 170%. His hits are ridiculous at that point.
His fsmash does around 40% damage and is has one of the highest knockbacks of any move in the game at that point (it might be the most, but don't quote me on that).
theprodigy
Member
nah that is Lucario at max power, 1.4 (max)/0.7 (min)*4/3 (maximum boost from stock count)=8/3 damage factor, 8/3*11=29 (rounding down)
and yes, if you sweetspot a fully charged Forward Smash it does 42% and is more powerful than DDD's Forward Smash
RMS Gigantic
Member
On the subject of possible Mewtwo moveset changes, how about Psystrike, a Generation V move that's now Mewtwo's signature move?
And in response to the person saying that Shadow Ball should act like a curveball, that's exactly how it worked in Melee: it moved suddenly up and down and even I believe even fluctuated its forward speed as it moved.
And in response to the person saying that Shadow Ball should act like a curveball, that's exactly how it worked in Melee: it moved suddenly up and down and even I believe even fluctuated its forward speed as it moved.
It's hard to survive so long, though this time I actually managed to do it.
At maximum aura I could go (170+ damage / 2 stocks behind / all moves fresh);
Back air does 20%
Down air does 30%
Forward tilt does 24%
Down smash does 37%
At a 3 stock advantage (0 damage / all moves fresh);
Back air does 7%
Down air does 11%
Forward tilt does 8%
Down smash does 8% (what)
Oh, and while I was doing these fun tests... here's a maxed out Aura Sphere at maximum aura;
A quick and dirty comparison between both Smash 4 and Brawl's maxed Sphere;
At maximum aura I could go (170+ damage / 2 stocks behind / all moves fresh);
Back air does 20%
Down air does 30%
Forward tilt does 24%
Down smash does 37%
At a 3 stock advantage (0 damage / all moves fresh);
Back air does 7%
Down air does 11%
Forward tilt does 8%
Down smash does 8% (what)
Oh, and while I was doing these fun tests... here's a maxed out Aura Sphere at maximum aura;
A quick and dirty comparison between both Smash 4 and Brawl's maxed Sphere;
theprodigy
Member
....the ratio between Mega Lucario (lol) and wimp Lucario is a factor of 28/9 or 3.1111 (1.867 at max, .6 at min)
ThanksObama Sakurai
Thanks
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
man, when are we getting a Direct?
with the fiercest swift attack you've ever seen.
For a move that apparently never misses that one sure looks dodgeable.
Benzychenz
Member
He has blue balls too.
Poltergust
Member
Random question: You know how all the characters revealed so far have their own character portraits, right? Do you think those portraits will be used for the character select screen, or will there be a different one for each character?
The reason I'm asking is that the way some characters are posed would look kind of weird for when selecting them as a character, like Samus' and Pikachu's.
The reason I'm asking is that the way some characters are posed would look kind of weird for when selecting them as a character, like Samus' and Pikachu's.
soviet prince
Member
like predicted today's a lucario pic, at least it's interesting
Melee had different art work but Brawl used the same. I too noticed some characters don't fit a rectangle that well, for example Luigi. Maybe it's a sign that the character selection screen is getting a complete makeover rather than just a lick of paint!
Poltergust
Member
Yeah, Luigi is another weird one. Here's my opinion on the rest:
Would look perfectly fine
Mario
Bowser
DK
Link
Pit
Sonic
Marth
King Dedede
Lucario
Villager
Mega Man
A bit iffy here
Peach
Wii Fit Trainer
Rosalina
Kirby
Fox
Toon Link
Pikachu
Olimar
Would look "off"
Zelda
Luigi
Samus
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
it also looks like something a magical girl would use
Troubled Bat
Member
Guys, i'm addicted to Miiverse... ._.
Also, I wonder if we'll see some new moves from Lucario? :0 And if his Final Smash really becomes Mega Lucario. But I don't think we'll see those for a while..
Also, I wonder if we'll see some new moves from Lucario? :0 And if his Final Smash really becomes Mega Lucario. But I don't think we'll see those for a while..
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Ha! I knew that we are going to get a picture of Lucario today, so I really like how the aura look like. It really have very vibrating colors.
Heh
It would be cool if lucario had an alternate female voice actor.
I dunno I think it would be cool. ( and it could be luara bailey )
Have you never played Pokemon?
That's what swift looks like. And that's about as tough as you can make it look.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
How do people felt about this visual design of (fake) characters selection screen? What would you like to see from Sakurai's finalized character selection screen?
Neoriceisgood
Member
I liked that fake one that had Mewtwo on it slightly better.
I miss the rotating 3D models back from the old Smash 64, that would do a pose when selected
I wonder if there's finally enough resources to just load all the characters into memory at boot so they could do that again.
Decoy detected, Direct in 10 minutes.
Pic of the day:
"A size comparison of Lucario's standard special attack, Aura Sphere, in its weakest and strongest states. The attack is faster and more powerful when the Aura Sphere is bigger."
Well now, there's a joke here somewhere.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
I tossed few choices into my post. Yeah, that one is one of my favorite mock-up selection screen.
MrSaturn99
Member
It's too plain for my tastes. I'm expecting something a little more stylized, though I suppose I wouldn't be surprised to see the site background colors.
I like the last one (can't see the first one though).
I'm not really sure if I like the different color ideas behind the characters though. I think it would look more cohesive if every character had the same background like in previous Smash Bros.
I'm not really sure if I like the different color ideas behind the characters though. I think it would look more cohesive if every character had the same background like in previous Smash Bros.
BD nearly always posts like that regarding anything from the Gen 1 and 2 games. I'm not only referring to Mewtwo here.