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Spanish girl, 25, to be euthanized…

It's a very painful and complicated issue, particularly because you can't force adults to live if they no longer wish to do so.

You can and should provide all of the psychological and emotional support needed to help with the recovery, but sometimes that isn't enough to deal with chronic pain and trauma.

It's not something to celebrate. Just tragic all across the board.
 
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Holy shit, as usual with these stories the facts destroy the narrative. She was a mentally disturbed individual making up false allegations, I hope she finally found peace.

It's incredible how quickly people forgot that women lie so easily regarding sexual assault because the current narrative is to blame migrants for everything.
Why lie about being gang raped? It doesn't seem like she made a police report or accused anyone specific, it was just given, by her, as the justification for her suicide attempt. So does she have Munchausen's Syndrome (as a part of her other apparent mental illnesses)? Hard to find useful info about any police investigation or 2022 testimony, versus what has been repeated in the english speaking press to date. Her story is certainly plausible, even if there is no evidence of it (also plausible, sadly).
 
Why lie about being gang raped? It doesn't seem like she made a police report or accused anyone specific, it was just given, by her, as the justification for her suicide attempt.
There have been cases upon cases where women admitted they lied about sexual assault for the most trivial reasons you can imagine. A mentally ill individual lying about it to justify a suicide attempt is far less surprising so to speak.

Spain is a gynocentric society run by rampant feminists. There is no way this story played out the way right wing English speaking personalities are presenting it.
 
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These were the last words that her grandmother said to Noelia: "I love you, my girl; someday we will be together again."

This at least seems better to me than if she had for example been successful in her 5 story nosedive and just smashed her skull on a sidewalk.
 


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This week, in Spain, a rape victim was killed by the state. A young woman in pain and despair was offered not love or justice but death. The government's solution to her suffering was not to wrap its arms of care around her but to give her lethal drugs so that she would die. It sounds like a scene from a dystopic novel but this is reality under the regime of euthanasia so many states have embraced.

The idea of the worthless life, a life so awful the state might help to destroy it, is the very essence of dehumanisation
Her name was Noelia Castillo. She was 25 years old. Her life was a hard one. She spent much of her childhood in care homes. She said she was twice sexually assaulted by men – first by an ex-boyfriend and then by three young men in 2022. The second attack propelled her into mental anguish. In late 2022, she tried to take her life by leaping from the fifth floor of a building. She was left paraplegic as a result of her injuries.


And now she is dead. Yesterday, in Barcelona, surrounded by bereft loved ones, she took her last breath in what can only be described as a state-sanctioned killing.

She won the "right to die" under Spain's euthanasia law that was introduced in 2021. The state gave its deathly blessing to her mortal demise in 2024 but it was halted at the last minute following a legal challenge from her father. He said her mental ill-health impaired her ability to decide on something as grave as death. He fought hard to save his girl. But the European Court of Human Rights overruled him and insisted Spain had the right to assist in the destruction of Noelia's life.

One struggles to imagine a more nightmarish scenario. A dad battling bureaucrats for the life of his daughter – even Kafka's mind could not have conjured up such a horror. Everyone should feel haunted by the truly unholy vision of ECHR judges in their draping black robes dismissing a father's plea for the life of his daughter with a wave of their hand. It feels medieval. It's a ruling that shames Europe.


The tragic life and death of Noelia Castillo exposes the wickedness of state-assisted euthanasia. The supposed "gift" of death for those in pain or anguish is in truth a grotesque betrayal of the virtues of the civilised society. Modern Europe talks endlessly about the importance of helping those with mental ill-health, yet this young woman in anguish is granted death. Ours is the era of "MeToo", yet to this woman who suffered sexual assault we offered not solidarity but annihilation. Under the regime of euthanasia we sacrifice our human duties at the altar of "merciful death".

Some will say Ms Castillo's case is an outlier in the world of assisted dying. Actually it was wholly in keeping with the logic of death that underpins the euthanasia industry. Spain's assisted dying law is terrifyingly broad. It permits state-assisted death for those suffering from "a serious, chronic and disabling condition" that "causes constant and unbearable physical or mental suffering without the possibility of relief".

This goes way beyond "mercy deaths" for people in the final months of life, which is how assisted dying is sold to us. A "chronic condition" that causes "mental suffering" could include everything from depression to anorexia. Supporters of Britain's own assisted dying bill that's making its way through Parliament will say our safeguards are superior to Spain's. For example, only the very ill with a prognosis of six months or less will be granted death.

The trouble is, once you decree, in law itself, that some lives are not worth living, so much so that the state may assist in the poisoning of them to death, you open the door to death as a solution to human turmoil. The idea of the worthless life, a life so awful the state might help to destroy it, is the very essence of dehumanisation. It tells the ill they might be better off dead, and it incites the anguished to pursue that final exit they dream of. It demeans those who want to live and tempts those who want to die. It is inhumanity in the drag of mercy.

Here's the thing: it is immaterial whether a nation has a lax system of euthanasia, like Spain or Canada, or a strict one, as Britain might soon have. For every regime of assisted death represents a radical transformation in the role of the state.

The state is no longer devoted to the protection of its citizens' lives – in some cases it may help to destroy them. The health service will at times become a death service, offering poison alongside care. Judges will rule not only on guilt or innocence but also on life and death. The logic of euthanasia is to bend government away from the preservation of life towards the weighing up of a life's worth before decreeing whether it might legitimately be destroyed.

It changes everything. Let's put it like this: if you had seen Noelia Castillo on a bridge, threatening to end it all, what would you have done? I expect you would have done everything within your power to save her. Well, we now live under governments that see a person on a bridge and in some cases will help to push them off it. A culture of death stalks Europe.
 
A woman has diminished quality of life and is in constant pain and will not recover. She too will die anyway.

How do you rationalise that one case is allowed to choose their death but the other must wait until the bitter end?

She was very young and not in any terminal condition, she could easily live another 50-60 years.

Late stage cancer patients will die anyway, but you can give them decision how they want to die. Some would choose cancer death and some would choose euthanasia.

I think this Polish article sums up my thoughts about this pretty well (google translate):

"The patient's will is not decisive, as psychiatrists and suicidologists clearly emphasize that people in suicidal crisis find themselves in a kind of tunnel from which they see no way out. Their depression, pain, and suffering limit their ability to make a conscious, rational decision. This reflection is not an attack on free choice, but merely a recognition that if it were otherwise, there would be essentially no reason to save potential suicides, and a certain part of psychiatrists' work would lose its raison d'être. If we consider euthanasia for mental health reasons legitimate, we must revisit many questions concerning the ethics of psychiatry and its goals. And these are by no means secondary or irrelevant questions, but touch upon the essence of medicine, mental health, and human life."


Exactly that, why stop people from attempting suicide if we give them choice between life and death? Most of those people can be helped, but they don't see any way out from their situations other than death - in that moment. I met few people that tried to commit suicide and they all regret it, they found some joy in life and reasons to keep going. I was very close to doing that myself at some point, and 100% I wasn't thinking objectively at the time...
 
She was very young and not in any terminal condition, she could easily live another 50-60 years.

Late stage cancer patients will die anyway, but you can give them decision how they want to die. Some would choose cancer death and some would choose euthanasia.

I don't think you understand my point. You're saying that someone who is suffering shouldn't have to be living in pain unnecessarily. So am I.

This woman wasn't in a terminal condition, correct, but she had
an irreversible clinical condition with severe dependency, pain and chronic suffering that affected her autonomy.
The worst of the world's criminals wouldn't have to endure a 50 year sentence of:
paraplegia, neuropathic pain, sensory impairment, faecal incontinence and the need for urinary catheterisation every six hours, as well as significant functional dependency. She also has limited mobility with a wheelchair and only a very limited ability to walk indoors in adapted environments.

So I think it's right that she should be allowed to make a judgement about the life that she would have to live and if she wants it.
 
I don't think you understand my point. You're saying that someone who is suffering shouldn't have to be living in pain unnecessarily. So am I.

This woman wasn't in a terminal condition, correct, but she had

The worst of the world's criminals wouldn't have to endure a 50 year sentence of:


So I think it's right that she should be allowed to make a judgement about the life that she would have to live and if she wants it.

Many, many people are dependent on others, born with disabilities (like having no arms and legs - at all, they still want to live) or getting them along the way. You think all of them should have ability to decide their life and death? Why not ALL people? Suicide - because you had bad day at work or your girlfriend cheated on you?

Let's go one step further, force disabled people not to breed (eugenics) or just kill them all (Hitlers started with mentally disabled) - because THEY ARE a burden to the people around them and society as a whole.

Part of what makes us humans is that we care about helpless people, especially our family (while survival of the fittest is the default in nature)...
 
Many, many people are dependent on others, born with disabilities (like having no arms and legs - at all, they still want to live) or getting them along the way. You think all of them should have ability to decide their life and death?
Yes, I think people who are suffering should be allowed to end their lives if they choose.
 
Yes, I think people who are suffering should be allowed to end their lives if they choose.

That's your opinion.

But what defines suffering? Psychical pain is objective but there are hundreds of millions of people living (and often working) with constant pain, every day.

What about mental suffering, past trauma, gender dysphoria, depression etc.? Who decides who can be killed and who will be treated?

I think euthanasia should be reserved to a very narrow set of cases, and state should do everything in their power to HELP people - not to KILL them.
 
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That's your opinion.

But what defines suffering?
This is a woman who is in constant pain, has no control of her bowels, has to have a catheter inserted every six hours, can't move around. It will never get better and she will suffer indignities daily while living dependent on others her entire life.

I'll say it again, it will never get better.

I think most people would consider that suffering.
 
1) She didn't change her mind at the last minute nor is it true that her assisted suicide went ahead because her organs were being "contracted" out. The quote is not from her lawyer. It's from the head of a catholic organization opposed to medical assistance in dying and refers to an alleged and unverified comment made verbally by an unidentified person affiliated with a hospital to her mother, but never confirmed by the mother or any other source. It's basically an unverified rumour and also occurred two years ago - even in the outlandish scenario where organs were reserved at that time, they certainly weren't reserved now.

2) Her case was approved because of chronic pain and suffering, which have nothing to do with videos showing her struggle to walk with assistance. She was left with no bowel or bladder control, reliant on pain medications, and largely wheelchair dependent. She was residing at a long term care facility at the age of 25.

3) She was not in the states custody when the gang rape occurred. She had left the group home three years prior.

4) There is no evidence or even accusation that her attackers were migrants.

5) She has never identified her attackers in the gang rape incident. She detailed being sexually abused throughout her life in a TV interview but never filed any police complaint in any of the incidents. They were never "let go".

6) Canada has been brought up a few times here. Canada does not allow medical assistance in dying for seasonal affective disorder or other mental illnesses at this time.
I didn't see this earlier in the morning when i made my post, but this basically confirms what i said. There is always a far deeper story to this and negative news from media platforms don't help.

I can look back at the initial page of responses and then see your post just to have that confirmed.

The thing is: We don't learn from it. News platforms, either being social media, telly, the paper or whatever, favor negative-laden news. This leads to negative-laden responses (Which we would describe as kneejerk) because the way the news is formulated you don't instantly consider looking in deeper. That's the clickbait (Or ragebait, if you will).

So if your entire worldview is like this, especially when you discuss these things offline with your peers, its not really that surprising that youngsters these days say they have a lot of mental hardship. This isn't ignoring current societal developments, mind you: My point is that news gathering as a whole tends to favor negative things because negativity elicts a far superior response than something nice or positive.

I am not going to make a case here for Evilore and responsibility because frankly it's his forum and his rules, but speaking more broadly, one could argue that we could help ourselves by you know, embracing the positivity.
That's your opinion.

But what defines suffering? Psychical pain is objective but there are hundreds of millions of people living (and often working) with constant pain, every day.

What about mental suffering, past trauma, gender dysphoria, depression etc.? Who decides who can be killed and who will be treated?

I think euthanasia should be reserved to very narrow set of cases, and state should do everything in their power to HELP people - not to KILL them.
At some point, ending your life can be the HELP one actually needs.. For all the reasons you mention. As enticing as being a internet typist makes you a certified level 100 mafia lord, we simply can't assess why individuals pick their destiny the way they do.

Other than that, it is damning that this lady made a decision that costed her life. But that's the thing with suicides, right - those who succeed have the mental override to do their act succesfully. Imagine how inane your willpower must be for anyone to do this.
 
That's your opinion.

But what defines suffering? Psychical pain is objective but there are hundreds of millions of people living (and often working) with constant pain, every day.

What about mental suffering, past trauma, gender dysphoria, depression etc.? Who decides who can be killed and who will be treated?

I think euthanasia should be reserved to a very narrow set of cases, and state should do everything in their power to HELP people - not to KILL them.
Its also not for others to decide what one person decides is bearable for them, especially a government
 
This is a woman who is in constant pain, has no control of her bowels, has to have a catheter inserted every six hours, can't move around. It will never get better and she will suffer indignities daily while living dependent on others her entire life.

I'll say it again, it will never get better.

I think most people would consider that suffering.

Of course it's suffering, it's not a comfortable life in any way, shape or form. But she was still alive, she still could experience good things in life (like love). Now she has no chance to do anything... And it's not like medicine isn't advancing in real time, at some point there might appear solutions to the problems she had (how many blind and deaf people are seeing and hearing again - even after decades?).

I think her biggest motivation was regret, she destroyed her body with that failed suicide attempt - and that was her fault... In the end she wanted to experience nothing vs. tons of different possibilities that life still offers.

Look at this guy - completely burned body, disfigured face, tons of other injuries and he still want to keep going:

 
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Of course it's suffering, it's not a comfortable life in any way, shape or form. But...
...you don't think the suffering is bad enough, know what's best for her and should make all her choices for her.

I think we're done!
 
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...you know what's best for her and you know what's best for her.

I think we're done!

I don't. But I guess in my philosophy is that something is better than nothing, and death means exactly that. She barely knew life at this age, there were still MANY good things she could have experienced - just like all other people in similar situations (or even worse).

She also had Borderline Personality Disorder (diagnosed way before rape), it's not like it didn't have any impact on her decision:

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I don't. But I guess in my philosophy is that something is better than nothing, and death means exactly that.
I'm sure that she would have respected your point of view, why can't you respect hers?

Is it because you can't handle the idea that other people feel differently than you? Because that's what it sounds like.
 
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What are we doing here, guys. Why is the State agreeing with the request from a traumatized young woman, clearly not of sound mind, to be killed instead of helping her.
Help her to do what? The time to help her was before she tried to take her own life. Now, keeping her alive sounds like it would only prolong her agony.

To be clear, I'm not for or against this, in general or in this specific case (especially, since I don't know the girl), but there are no easy answers.
 
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I'm sure that she would have respected your point of view, why can't you respect hers?

Is it because you can't handle the idea that other people feel differently than you? Because that's what it sounds like.

No, I don't respect mentally ill people having ability to make life/death decisions. She should be treated by the state, not killed.

You realise how many kids every year are trying to commit suicide over some super trivial shit (and some of them are successful)? Do I have to accept their reasons and support government killing them after their failed attempts if they still want to die?

Her father and friends were trying to stop this shit... I guess you knew her better than them.

A former friend of Castillo, Carla Rodríguez, tried to enter the hospital to persuade her to change her mind, but told Spanish media that police had barred her from entering.

 
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Her father and friends were trying to stop this shit... I guess you know her better than them.

I don't have to know better than them, I respect her choice, she was an adult capable of making her own decisions. I think it's very sad, but I am realistic and empathetic enough to understand that.

I'm going to stick you on ignore now because there's no point in repeating this, and I get the feeling you will never stop.
 
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I don't have to know better than them, I respect her choice, she was an adult capable of making her own decisions.

I think it's very sad, but I am realistic and empathetic enough to understand that. I'm going to stick you on ignore now because there's no point in repeating this, and I get the feeling you will never stop.

I will stop now as well. There is nothing for me to add here.

RIP.
 
I think it's very sad, but I am realistic and empathetic enough to understand that.
That's one thing you're absolutely not.

You're not empathetic to her dad, her friend or even really her. You just pretend to. If that's what gets you to sleep at night, great. It's just a lie.
 
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I used to write it off as conspiracy shit. But I can't help but feel like European leaders really hate their native population and would rather seem to have them suffer and/or be replaced. So much blood was spilled over the centuries to keep Europe Christian and it's just freely being handed over now
 
I don't have to know better than them, I respect her choice, she was an adult capable of making her own decisions. I think it's very sad, but I am realistic and empathetic enough to understand that.

I'm going to stick you on ignore now because there's no point in repeating this, and I get the feeling you will never stop.
Okay Prime Minister Sanchez
 
That's one thing you're absolutely not.

You're not empathetic to her dad, her friend or even really her. You just pretend to. If that's what gets you to sleep at night, great. It's just a lie.

It's possible to consider how sad the family of this woman will be but also respect her right to autonomy.

Anyway, it's been a rollercoaster. From the calls to be outraged that it was all the fault of immigrants to the accusations of being adjacent to Hitler.

It seems impossible to have a serious conversation about this.
 
Sometimes I hate western civ and what it has become. Instead of giving this girl the help she actually needs they support her in killing herself. Absolutely no respect for human life.
 
No, I don't respect mentally ill people having ability to make life/death decisions. She should be treated by the state, not killed.

You realise how many kids every year are trying to commit suicide over some super trivial shit (and some of them are successful)? Do I have to accept their reasons and support government killing them after their failed attempts if they still want to die?

Her father and friends were trying to stop this shit... I guess you knew her better than them.



Everyone has the right to their opinion but I just don't agree that anyone should be forced into some sort of mental care

Lost an uncle so many years ago because he tried to hang himself and did not succeed in his bid so he was treated for his mental health for quite sometime and came out of the hospital and within a few days drove his car into an Ohio River concrete flood wall at about 100 mph

He fought his demons for years and simply did not want to live

Should the government had take over and kept him medicated the rest of his life?
 
Everyone has the right to their opinion but I just don't agree that anyone should be forced into some sort of mental care

Lost an uncle so many years ago because he tried to hang himself and did not succeed in his bid so he was treated for his mental health for quite sometime and came out of the hospital and within a few days drove his car into an Ohio River concrete flood wall at about 100 mph

He fought his demons for years and simply did not want to live

Should the government had take over and kept him medicated the rest of his life?

My aunt tried to hang herself (that was more than 10 years ago I think) but didn't succeed - ceiling was not strong enough. I don't know exactly what happened later but she probably refused to get any help, her daughter (that was living with her) was watching her as good as she could, but one day when she returned from work she witnessed her mother hanging from the ceiling (she succeeded this time)...

Would that happen if she got help? I will never know this...

Here when you are suicidal - they will lock you up without your consent and watch you 24/7. You will be released once the doctors decide that you are better (usually 2-3 weeks of medications and psychological help). Of course they don't have any power over what you will do once you are free.

But institutions try to help, they will do everything to "fix" you, and that's their role. I was locked like that after I tried to end myself (in heavy depression combined with alcoholism) as well. Being there gave a whole new perspective on life, my problems started to look insignificant compared to what some other people had to endure in life (and their mental problems, like schizophrenia).

I'm sorry for your uncle.
 
She is an adult and it's her choice

It's a terrible situation, but it's better to let her die in a painless way instead of letting her die from jumping from a building or something.

It is what it is, unfortunately.
 
I don't have to know better than them, I respect her choice, she was an adult capable of making her own decisions. I think it's very sad, but I am realistic and empathetic enough to understand that.

I'm going to stick you on ignore now because there's no point in repeating this, and I get the feeling you will never stop.
I think what's interesting is that few are actually discussing the bigger picture or are willing to entertain the idea that perhaps the news also contributes to this. But i am not going to repeat myself. I thought some interesting points were made. Some were picked up, some weren't.

In the end i realize its far easier to just spite on someone's decision and just post that on a outlet because it delivers clicks and it has the benefit that you got to make your opinion on a new topic again. As they say: Opinions are like assholes, everyone has them. And in this day and age, there are sure a lot of assholes that people want exposed. Note: I am speaking in broad terms, not you specifically.
 
But what defines suffering? Psychical pain is objective but there are hundreds of millions of people living (and often working) with constant pain, every day.

What about mental suffering, past trauma, gender dysphoria, depression etc.? Who decides who can be killed and who will be treated?

The sufferer, never the state. I believe the patient (or perhaps an appointed, legally-recognised guardian) should always be required to ask for assisted suicide rather than it being offered to them, that there should be checks that the person is sufficiently aware of the consequences of their choice, and as far as possible that they aren't being influenced by outside sources (family members with something to gain, for instance), but the state should not determine someone's right to live or die.

Even if you or I think those people are making a terrible decision, it is a fundamental principle of freedom that people be able to make decisions that the state or other citizens disagree with. People's lives can only be their own if they can also choose how and when to end it. There is a very valuable debate on what form safeguards should take and what the limits are - the British government is currently trying to force through an assisted suicide bill which I completely disgree with and is an affront to democracy because Kim Leadbeater, the MP who introduced the bill (as a private rather than a public bill, meaning it gets less scrutiny), has consistently shut out opposing voices and reneged on her promises, while also seeking to force religious hospices to offer assisted suicide services even when it is against their morals - but denying people the right to end their lives on their own terms is in my eyes a violation of one's right to self-determination.

Without intending to pass judgement on anyone here, because I respect that there are very strong and sincerely held objections, but to me it seems a bastardisation of the 'do no harm' rule of medical ethics that it is better to wring every last drop of life out of someone no matter how terrible their suffering, than to allow them the choice of ending that suffering through death. Palliative care is a wonderful thing but can only do so much, and eventually, as was the case in the final days of my mother's death from brain cancer, the treatment has to become so strong just to keep the suffering to a minimum that the patient is left in a state of de facto death anyway, so completely drugged up and effectively unconscious that whatever life could be said to remain is no more detectable than the presence of a pulse, or eventually not.

For the sake of honouring my mother's memory and not being accused of emotional manipulation to advance my argument, I'll say that even though she suffered greatly during the end, particularly due to her terrible fear of injections/needles, I don't believe she would have asked for or accepted an offer of assisted suicide no matter what, as she would have wanted to fight to the end. The reason I brought her situation up is because it showed me the limits of palliative care, despite the best efforts of those who attended to her, and I strongly believe it right that everyone should have the choice of asking for help in ending their lives (without putting those who might help them at risk of prosecution), whether they take it or not.
 
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That's fucked up. It's hard for me to think this is ok since I've dedicated years of my life as a therapist to help suicidal and depressed people. I empathize more with people who are in vegetative states or severe chronic pain with a terminal illness that want to end thier life, but this is hard for me to accept as ok. Poor girl.
 
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Since when have we gone from "suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem" to "oh, you're depressed? Sign this form to die. Consent is the only thing that matters."

This is not progress.
 
Since when have we gone from "suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem" to "oh, you're depressed? Sign this form to die. Consent is the only thing that matters."

This is not progress.
We haven't. That's a simplification of a very complex playground with far more nuance neither you or i are qualified enough for to make any call on.

Metacommentary isn't that progress either.
 
Other than that, it is damning that this lady made a decision that costed her life. But that's the thing with suicides, right - those who succeed have the mental override to do their act succesfully. Imagine how inane your willpower must be for anyone to do this.
I've had very dark thoughts for a long time in my life, it comes and goes. But there's always that blockade in the brain which stops you from making something real out of your plans. Those who no longer have that have fallen into a despair which mentally and physically healthy can't even fathom. Nor can I actually. "Normal" people can't even grasp anhedonia, so they'll never be able to grasp what it takes for a person to actually kill themselves.

Many such cases. I think it's time for the 'slippery slope fallacy' to be officially retired and replaced with the 'you can give an inch' fallacy.
Yeah, the woke era has completely killed the ss fallacy. Already in the late 00's/early 10's I pushed against proto-woke stuff on forums, but everyone said that those people would calm down and not ask for more. Surprise, surprise, they just kept demanding more and more and even shaming people who refused to deny reality itself.

While I can understand both "camps" on this subject, I must agree on that if euthanasia becomes legal then it'll pressure a lot of old people and people without terminal illnesses to choose that option instead of the more expensive ones. It'll likely do much more harm than good.
 
This is some horribly sick shit. Somehow, they have gone back to the 1500s for the treatment of mental issues.

Spain is a horrid place.
 


I'm not a big Matt Walsh fan but I agree with him 100% here.

They always push "assisted dying" with noble intentions and then once it becomes available it jumps down the proverbial slippery slope like its a soap-water covered Slip-N-Slide. The way MAiD is playing out in Canada should raise massive red flags to any other country considering allowing it. Back in 2023, a parliamentary committee in Canada recommended that "mature minors" as young as 12 be eligible for MAiD without parental consent. Thankfully that recommendation got tabled and not implemented, but there are still activist groups pushing for it. They keep kicking the can down the street but, eventually, people whose only medical issue are mental illnesses will be eligible for MAiD. Consider the absolute lunacy of that. An industry that exists to help people through mental illness to prevent suicide will, come 2027, be recommending suicide.

I just saw a video on Instagram showing the ad the Canadian government is now running promoting MAiD. There are too many stories coming out where assisted dying gets pushed because treatment is either too long of a wait or too costly (edit: this article archive is very long, but read the entire thing; I don't see how anyone can read that and walk away still supporting state assisted death). Or how about the story from just a few months ago where an elderly woman asked her husband to look into MAiD, then revoked her consent, only for her husband to shop around for different MAiD assessors until one of them finally approved his request for MAiD for his wife, even though she, the patient, hadn't given consent for assisted dying?

Specific to this story, for the people saying: "It's her choice." Except she was no longer free to change her mind and choose to continue living because her organs have already been farmed out. Her choice had been removed from her and she became little more than cattle for organ harvesting.

Disgusting. Immoral. Unethical.
 
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Specific to this story, for the people saying: "It's her choice." Except she was no longer free to change her mind and choose to continue living because her organs have already been farmed out. Her choice had been removed from her and she became little more than cattle for organ harvesting.

Disgusting. Immoral. Unethical.
Come on - you really think that this girl was prevented from changing her mind because her organs were already promised out? Like they would have held her down while she screamed and struggled and injected her?
There are specific concerns about external pressure from caregivers or the like - but no-one is getting assisted suicide against their stated wishes.
 
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