The Artisan
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the chick talkin to ezekiel her name is nabilah? so that's a hijab she's got on?
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The Walking Dead Season 7, Part 2 Sundays on AMC
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Enjoy. The comic is so damn good.
The Artisan
Member
i had a feeling that kid was gonna die but through a hoard of zombies or something.
also i'm really tired of all the characters being bitches to the saviors. this exchange with with ezekiel and the saviors, what is this the 3rd time they had this scene happen? after the kid got shot I expected them to go berserk and start fighting them since they wouldn't have expected and wouldn't be able to shoot
also i'm really tired of all the characters being bitches to the saviors. this exchange with with ezekiel and the saviors, what is this the 3rd time they had this scene happen? after the kid got shot I expected them to go berserk and start fighting them since they wouldn't have expected and wouldn't be able to shoot
On paper, it sounds really reasonable. But after EVERYTHING and being on her own for.. god knows how long.. she just wakes up one day and says "yeah, all of what I decided is just bullshit"? She's had uncountable opportunities to rejoin with various people essentially begging her to come out of isolation. It feels really lazy to me that they just randomly start the episode with her thinking "ok, it's time" after all the shit she's been through. Feels just about as nonsensical and abrupt as her decision to stop killing.
They've never had a strong handle on either her or Morgan's character. But I'm just glad they're back in the fight. Like I said, I'm willing to just forget how much they fucked up in order to enjoy their future development. But the writers have shown time and time again that there's no real logical train of thought going on. Morgan having flashbacks to Dwane over Ben is the closest they've come to anything that makes sense.
If they wanted to make more sense out of Carol leaving initially, they should have done something similar to Morgan that allowed her to care for that one kid who kept coming over for cookies and have his death push her out of the group because of him reminding her of Sophia and the pain of losing her.
The Artisan
Member
how did the saviors know to meet again? it's not like they called em up on a cell phone to say "hey we got that missing fruit, let's meet up" and it wasn't the following week since they don't have a truckload of em, so..
IIRC in the initial meeting they said something like "24 hours, bring the 1 missing melon, no more, no less"
Opticability
Banned
God, I just loved the scene where Morgan chokes the fuck out of that guy.
Marty Chinn
Member
The Saviors explicitly told them to bring the missing fruit the next day.
The Artisan
Member
ohh kay, my mistake then.
well, another whole episode without showing rick & co. i used to get really annoyed by that in season 4
DodgyGeezerFella
Member
Bah, killed off the most promising bad ass of the show.
Anyone else expect the credits to roll just as he asked Carol if she really wanted to know what happened ?
Anyone else expect the credits to roll just as he asked Carol if she really wanted to know what happened ?
bigedole
Member
I think it's gonna end up going to Sasha, she doesn't even exist in the comic anyways and she has a new show I think. We already know she and Rosita are gonna try to mess things up somehow...
At least it was an offshoot episode that wasn't wasted on dumb characters that no one cares about. This is the most significant side episode we've had in quite some time. I thought it was a solid effort, best of this half by far.
The Artisan
Member
yeah I'd say this was a good episode overall, although it also means I've had to lower my expectations for this show
To quote Hershel.. "aren't we all?"
I've given up hope on the show being actually good again. But I'm sticking around for those few episodes that really shine. Last night's was close.
PadWarrior
Member
Did Morgan hear something when he was sitting down and the end sharpening his weapons? Crazy Morgan is so dang scary.
Ugh I really wanna read the comics but I feel like it'll ruin the show for me. I've looked at a few comic things and once or twice have spoiled the show for myself. I've stayed away from everything and I enjoy the show a lot more.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
I started reading the comic way before the show, so I might be coming at the show a different way. But it doesn't hurt my enjoyment at all. The show does the big moments from the comic, but even then it's more like a remix. Characters die at different times, get deaths that other characters got. Plus the show has a ton of original people or people that died early in the comics are still around, and vice versa.
Last night's episode is a good example. Reading the comic gave me absolutely no indication of what was going to happen. There's just so much original content that I could speculate the general direction that the season will take, but the episode to episode events have so many extra factors that I couldn't even tell you who would do what.
DeadlyParasite
Member
I really liked the episode. The music and visual direction were on point. Shit's about real.
DeaconKnowledge
Member
I wonder if Richard was really fighting back when Morgan started choking him. He ended up getting exactly what he wanted.
Ros8105
Member
I watched this episode with headphones on, and there is a sound of footsteps or knocking or whatever. Pretty interesting.
More_Badass
Member
The comics are more of a general roadmap for the show than anything else. The very basic overall arcs are similar, but characters and events are remixed and changed often. Characters who are alive in the show are dead in the comics and vice versa, and characters like Daryl and Simon aren't in the comics at all
GhostTrick
Banned
It's not multitasking. It just feels like Morgan decided to go with his own plan when he asks Richard if he told Ezekiel about the setup. He didn't, so Morgan got mad and decided to kill him to make the plan... without Richard.
PadWarrior
Member
Ah thanks!
J_Macgrady
Member
Richard was the one who got Ben killed, and almost got Carol killed until Daryl stopped him. Richard let his obsession with starting a war with the Saviors blind him and he had to be killed. Morgan saw that, but he reacted differently because he's not holding onto a pure ideology anymore.
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
I took the thing with Carol as her not being entirely satisfied with Daryl's response to her question a few episodes ago. It wasn't so much her having a random change of heart, it was that Daryl's "everything's perfect in Alexandria Carol 
" just wasn't sitting well with her, so she went to Morgan for some reassurance. When he seemed cagey and hesitated to give her a straight response, she knew that Daryl was lying and that she had to come out of retirement.
" just wasn't sitting well with her, so she went to Morgan for some reassurance. When he seemed cagey and hesitated to give her a straight response, she knew that Daryl was lying and that she had to come out of retirement.GhostTrick
Banned
Yeah, but Richard didnt killed Ben. He tried to die for it to happen. It's not like Richard is the asshole who pulled the trigger. That's where I cant follow Morgan on that one: Being peaceful and calm with horrible assholes he witnessed murdering his friends. Yet beat the shit down of the guy who certainly messed up, but all of that happen because of Ezekiel's safe way and Morgan's no kill dumb policy.
It's not Richard's obsession, it's just what makes sense. I mean, who in their right mind would want to keep a deal with people who'd murder you because you forgot one melon ? Sure Richard's an idiot but then again, I doubt the blame is entirely his when you see on one side, maniacs who enjoy torturing people and on the other, idiots who try to be reasonable with unreasonable people.
I just dont like that considering Morgan's one of my favorite in the show. I mean, even if his no kill policy wasnt always the right choice But at least he kept to it.
Him giving it back on the wrong guy should feels like a dumb scene.
More_Badass
Member
Just because it failed doesn't make him a fraud. He was clearly struggling against it and he failed
Is that how people interpret characters? "What they were trying didn't work as they're frauds and it was all useless"
But that doesn't change anything about her reasons for leaving. This is exactly WHY she left.. So she wouldn't have to kill for anyone else. She's in the same position she was in before.. With the exception being that two important people were killed by the hand of Negan (again.. Even more incentive to stay away). If she stuck with her original development, she would have nope'd right the fuck out of there, because nothing has changed.I took the thing with Carol as her not being entirely satisfied with Daryl's response to her question a few episodes ago. It wasn't so much her having a random change of heart, it was that Daryl's "everything's perfect in Alexandria Carol
Now she willingly steps right back into the role she was in when she left Alexandria.
Meh. Still a good episode though.
But her decision making is barely justified at best, imo.
the_firewithin
Member
Comics are great and will ruin the show most likely for you.
J_Macgrady
Member
The Saviors are unpredictable though. Richard did all of this because he had a certain image in his head of how things would go, and all it took was that one dude to shoot at someone other than Richard for his plan to foil. It's too idealistic to think that everything is going to go a certain way dealing with The Saviors because they just don't operate like that. They are the dictators so they can do whatever they want even if it doesn't make sense. What Richard did was too risky. I don't know what should have been done to convince Ezekiel to go to war with them, but sacrificing one of their own including Richard himself wasn't the way to go.
Morgan really liked Ben and his death triggered the flashbacks so I can see why he reacted the way he did.
theifofdreams
Member
Fuck Morgan man. Hes such a frustrating character. His actions in this episode were completely without thought.
The Silver
Member
the only tenseness that occurs is cause of the long haired douche who gets into it with Richard, and The Saviours told them that they have to keep bringing Richard when the king proposed not bringing him anymore
-Pyromaniac-
Member
I also feel like people misunderstand Morgan's entire position too. From one of the interviews in Samurai's roundup a page back:
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
She was on the verge of a mental breakdown and when she left Alexandria no one had died (no one cared about Denise except for Tara), so she could go on pretending everything was fine. Once she found out that several of her friends had died, and there's a massive war coming where even more will die, she could no longer go on pretending.
The Artisan
Member
the show has already been ruined for me ever since season 6.
WickedLaharl
Member
What? He knew exactly what he was doing and it was pretty smart.
SirClinksAlot
Member
How is he a fraud? Living the way he was had brought him SOME peace in this shitty world. I mean he was a broken fucking man after his wife and son died. Seeing Ben(?) die broke him again....I mean he even called him by his sons name.
edit: Anyway, that was a good episode, so next weeks will probably be shit.
edit 2: Also for Carol I dont see why people thinks its weird she is going back to fight. She WANTED to try and run away from it all and just isolate herself but it turned out she cant live that way either. Man, some of you guys dont understand human emotions. Not everything is so black and white. Just because Carol and Morgan tried to live differently doesnt mean they could live that way forever.
I'm guessing they do this for budgeting and logistical reasons. If you have your top-tier main cast actors in every episode, that ends up being pretty expensive, I imagine. Also, TWD can be a real grueling shoot, so it probably helps to that not every actor needs to be out there every day, covered in blood and sweat and grime in the nasty, humid Summer heat getting eaten alive by bugs.
This is probably one of the reasons we got a nearly full Tara episode. Required basically none of the main cast and was probably relatively cheap to shoot. Though, as much as some people hated that episode, it was nice to give an underdeveloped character some time to shine.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
A decent amount. I don't know if the show ever explicitly says how many they have, and the budget kinda prevents them from showing it off, but everyone seems to think they're the key to having a decent chance against The Saviors.
Also, I figure that they must be pretty stacked if Negan has given them the autonomy that they have. They're still in the same shitty situation as Hilltop and Alexandria, but notice how The Saviors don't just stroll into The Kingdom like they own the place. It feels like a situation where Negan could wipe The Kingdom off the map, but he'd lose a lot of folks in the process.
It seems a little weird to me that Negan is letting the kingdom get away with giving them 12 melons per week, when it seems like the Saviors have completely ransacked Hilltop and Alexandria.
It's pretty easy to see why Ezekiel doesn't want to go to war. Whatever they're paying the Saviors is basically a pittance, and no skin off their back. I certainly wouldn't start trouble over a dozen melons or a few pigs per week. I'm not even sure how Richard came to hate the Saviors so much, now that I think about it.
It's pretty easy to see why Ezekiel doesn't want to go to war. Whatever they're paying the Saviors is basically a pittance, and no skin off their back. I certainly wouldn't start trouble over a dozen melons or a few pigs per week. I'm not even sure how Richard came to hate the Saviors so much, now that I think about it.
Thanks!
J_Macgrady
Member
Yeah Negan took everything from Alexandria. That one dude who shot Ben and took Morgan's staff though is a good enough reason to hate them. Plus, they're some school yard bullies at the end of the day so everyone who's forced to give stuff to them don't like them.
Herr Schwarz
Banned
Morgans character arc just seems to be the same kind of character arc Rick went through around the Shane era.
"You have to become a savage man etc"
"No I don't want to"
Cook up contrivance where they have to fight. Wallah.
It's like those anime powerup shows, where the reluctant bad ass hero's best friend who's a total weakling gets in the middle of it all and is like "STOP FIGHTING PLZZZ" and then the weakling gets schwacked, thus activating the hero's powerup motivation.
"You have to become a savage man etc"
"No I don't want to"
Cook up contrivance where they have to fight. Wallah.
It's like those anime powerup shows, where the reluctant bad ass hero's best friend who's a total weakling gets in the middle of it all and is like "STOP FIGHTING PLZZZ" and then the weakling gets schwacked, thus activating the hero's powerup motivation.