Yeah that was pretty bad. But it did have Tdog's golden one liner, "I'm glad we didn't do anything dumb.. Like shoot it"I completely forgot about this. I think I was still recovering from when the writers decided Rick's crew, upon arriving at Hershel's farm, would try to get a zombie out of a well by using Glen as bait.
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The Walking Dead Season 7, Part 2 Sundays on AMC
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Mediocre end to a mediocre season; they really took the "simple talking" junkyard crew over the top. Didn't think it was that bad before.
The plan was dumb all along; the gun fight was just laughable as hell... how did nobody important die? Carl was about the only good part of that with him instantly going HAM but everything else about the battle sucked.
Another bond villain-esque Negan scene is really tiring too.
The plan was dumb all along; the gun fight was just laughable as hell... how did nobody important die? Carl was about the only good part of that with him instantly going HAM but everything else about the battle sucked.
Another bond villain-esque Negan scene is really tiring too.
More_Badass
Member
Using Glen to put a rope around the zombie, not as baitI completely forgot about this. I think I was still recovering from when the writers decided Rick's crew, upon arriving at Hershel's farm, would try to get a zombie out of a well by using Glen as bait.
Not explicitly as bait, even though that's how it ended up
I completely forgot about this. I think I was still recovering from when the writers decided Rick's crew, upon arriving at Hershel's farm, would try to get a zombie out of a well by using Glen as bait.
Ha. I always bring up this episode up as the jumping off point for me. They wrote an entire episode centered around getting water out of a well.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
It's my least favorite episode. The Talking Dead commercial break promos were especially obnoxious that week too.
hey_monkey
Banned
I agree. Some of the so-called "filler" has such potential... if it was earned. There's too much need to fill in the blanks and connect the dots, and while I do like some of that, I need the show to do its work, too, instead of shoehorning in melodramatic moments. There's just not the proper balance.
Oh well, maybe next year!
I completely forgot about this. I think I was still recovering from when the writers decided Rick's crew, upon arriving at Hershel's farm, would try to get a zombie out of a well by using Glen as bait.
But I thought the second season plot was driven by the brilliant character development of Carol and Shane, and not completely hamfisted one-off dilemmas!
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
Like, she already had a bit of an arc in season 3 where she started out trusting the Governor and then s l o w l y came to realize that he was bad news. After it became clear that they weren't going to end the Governor's arc in season 3, I figured they were setting up Andrea to take him down in season 4 after she escaped from the chair/Milton. That would have been the most resonant outcome at that point, since Rick barely interacted with him and it only made sense for Michonne to kill him after he killed Andrea.
We're on two different wavelengths~
Ain't no one was invested in that shit brah. It dragged the whole first half of the season down.
ok
C'mon man. It was at the very end of the season. People always expect deaths near the end of seasons.
They could have done that, would have been interesting. But her character was always pretty throwaway so I thought it was obvious that she was out.
How many times have you seen S2? I hated watching it live. Back to back episodes on Netflix make that first half a lot more interesting than week to week.
I'd say two huge characters dying in episodes that aren't finales or premieres us relatively random but to each their own.
And it's cute that you think you speak for everyone. I personally know lots of people who enjoy season 2 (who also recognize the faults).. Both my roommates, my brother, some friends.. and people in this very thread.
It bums me out. I get that deaths need to happen and people would have complained if Glenn got the plot armor again.
But truthfully, season 7 would have been more watchable with him in it. I thought there was a chance to dive into Glenn becoming a bit more ruthless after killing the Saviors while they were sleeping.
I get that it "had" to happen but his character brought more to the TV show than it does to the comics in that it truly feels like the show is missing something.
hey_monkey
Banned
Personally, I think that part of it might be that show Rick has all the charisma of a garbage can. Don't get me wrong - I think Andrew Lincoln has some fine moments, but the show is super hamfisted with him and while comic Rick is also all over the place (I learned really, this time, I swear, even though I said I already learned the thing!), sometimes it feels like he is only in charge because it's in the script. Whenever someone solemnly swears, all big-eyed, that Rick is the reason they're all together, that Rick is the thing keeping everyone alive, I'm like... the sweaty guy with the melodramatic reactions? Come on now.
When I post in this thread it always sounds like I hate the show. I don't! But I've never been a Rick fan, really.
-Pyromaniac-
Member
couldn't disagree more with every single word. Rick is the man. And he is definitely the glue that keeps them together. He will always be the first to admit that it was thrust upon him and he even expressed multiple times he isn't fit to lead everybody from time to time. But everyone else is worse. He may still be navigating what it means to lead, and I like that he still fucks up as their leader or makes the wrong call here and there.
He bit a mans throat off. That's my leader. But yes, bottom line is everyone else would be a terrible leader. I mean Maggie is showing she has the chops to run an established colony but to take this group from nowhere to alexandria and get them through a bunch of shitstorms (even if they caused some of them), none of them could have done it other than Rick in the end. Shane would have gotten himself and everyone else killed ages ago. But boy is his charisma great lol.
AngmarsKing701
Member
Plot armor
Pretty dumb.
Like the whole Carl thing.
I refuse to believe anyone thought he would die.
He has the strongest armor of any character.
It was an entertaining season (mostly) but some real stretches with the story. It's pretty hard to suspend your belief so many times.
Oh and fuck Eugene.
I got around to watching the last 8 episodes. This wasn't a good season but there were sparks of campiness that I'm starting to enjoy.
Ezekiel with the way he talks and his amazing cat. First time I saw him I was actually shocked by the nonsense but I am now fully on the Ezekiel train. The final episode with the cat attacking is beyond stupid (how does the cat know who to kill, how did no one shoot this cat), but it was still the best part of that episode.
The trash people are the best group this show has ever added. Everyone dresses like up like a Kanye West fashion show. Everyone inexplicably speaks like a toddler. They live in garbage and made Rick fight a spiked zombie just because they could. They came to Alexandria in fucking garbage trucks. The leader of the trash people is a hoot to watch.
Gregory is so scummy in a likable way, I hope he makes it (but he wont).
When Negan reaches full camp, it's usually something worth watching, even when it gets repetitive. I'll take some more Negan scenery chewing over some bleh conversations by Rosita. Negan's ridiculous quips during the final episode was the 2nd best part of that episode, behind the cat attack.
Steven Ogg is a great henchman (he should be leader).
The other best part of this season was Eugene's natural turn to the dark side. It really makes sense for the character. It also makes me sad but I'm hoping he'll find redemption next season #teameugene.
The worst parts of the season include the DBZ pacing. A lot of conversations between members of Rick's group were kinda bleh (unless it's Rick and Michonne). Rick becoming a little dumber (you stole guns and gave it to suspicious trash people who betrayed you, surprise?). Negan hasn't lived up to his potential as a ruthless bastard, who probably gave the Ricktatorship one too many chances. The action scenes in the finale was bad. Dream sequences. Rosita as a character.
When Walking Dead season 8 comes out, I hope they lean further in pure camp. I want more trash people. I want a new group of survivors who are led by a wolf and communicate through howling. I want more Eugene in black coat.
Ezekiel with the way he talks and his amazing cat. First time I saw him I was actually shocked by the nonsense but I am now fully on the Ezekiel train. The final episode with the cat attacking is beyond stupid (how does the cat know who to kill, how did no one shoot this cat), but it was still the best part of that episode.
The trash people are the best group this show has ever added. Everyone dresses like up like a Kanye West fashion show. Everyone inexplicably speaks like a toddler. They live in garbage and made Rick fight a spiked zombie just because they could. They came to Alexandria in fucking garbage trucks. The leader of the trash people is a hoot to watch.
Gregory is so scummy in a likable way, I hope he makes it (but he wont).
When Negan reaches full camp, it's usually something worth watching, even when it gets repetitive. I'll take some more Negan scenery chewing over some bleh conversations by Rosita. Negan's ridiculous quips during the final episode was the 2nd best part of that episode, behind the cat attack.
Steven Ogg is a great henchman (he should be leader).
The other best part of this season was Eugene's natural turn to the dark side. It really makes sense for the character. It also makes me sad but I'm hoping he'll find redemption next season #teameugene.
The worst parts of the season include the DBZ pacing. A lot of conversations between members of Rick's group were kinda bleh (unless it's Rick and Michonne). Rick becoming a little dumber (you stole guns and gave it to suspicious trash people who betrayed you, surprise?). Negan hasn't lived up to his potential as a ruthless bastard, who probably gave the Ricktatorship one too many chances. The action scenes in the finale was bad. Dream sequences. Rosita as a character.
When Walking Dead season 8 comes out, I hope they lean further in pure camp. I want more trash people. I want a new group of survivors who are led by a wolf and communicate through howling. I want more Eugene in black coat.
Inceptional
Member
Just finished the finale. I said that I was done after last season but now it is official. That shit was fucking ametuer hour. Everything from how the episode was shot to how the characters acted was some c-tier bullshit. For a show that's so popular, that was one cheap looking battle at the end. And seriously fuck AMC and the writers for yet another fucking cliffhanger, fucksake!
SaviourMK2
Member
What was the name of the crazy future gun Daryl was using
Negan had a weird looking gun too.
I believe Negan was using either a MAC-10 or MAC-11 with suppressor and scope. In which case using a scope with those guns is perhaps the most useless thing in the world.
Have no idea what the hell Daryl is using.
Honestly, I think the actors just choose which ever gun they think looks cool and just go from there. I believe that was the case with David Morrissey (the Governor) using an AUG, which I would question where in the world he got a fully automatic AUG in the US. But hey, zombie show.
hey_monkey
Banned
Haha, we were also talking about how stupid that scope was. My husband called Daryl's gun "some kind of crazy vidyagame fanservice crossover shenanigan bullshit" or something equally elaborate - can't quite remember, but he went on for some time. I'm glad we weren't alone in cackling over those guns.
UberTag
Member
The only part about S3 I legitimately enjoyed (outside of Merle's arc) was that they had no qualms about offing both T-Dog and Lori in a mid-season episode with minimal buildup or warning. TWD needs to get away from bottling all of the significant deaths to the premieres and finales... if only for the show to get its sense of tension back.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
Season 1 - Dr whispers something to Rick, CDC blows up. Group is left to go out into the world with no real hope for a salvation.
Season 2 - Group gets pushed off the farm and is near a mysterious prison. Mysterious stranger (Michonne) saves Andrea.
Season 3 - New people at the prison, The Governor slinks away
Season 4 - Rick and company are trapped inside a train car against their will.
Season 5 - Morgan shows up right as Rick is executing that dude. Plus a "Wolves" tease.
Season 6 - The lineup.
No season of this show has ever ended with every plot thread resolved. It's a long form serial program. That's literally the entire premise behind the comic, that it's what happens after the zombie movie ends. This cliffhanger isn't any cheaper than last year or the year before or the year before. You just don't like the show so you're being petty.
Y'all are just being foolish if you want to pretend that the show suddenly changed this season.
lmao I didn't notice that, a MAC-10 at long range... Negan confirmed goof
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
So that was it. I guess I was semi-wrong when I predicted that things couldn't move fast enough for Rick and the gang to launch an assault on the Saviors. I thought it was an entertaining enough episode marred by awful moments and some unintentional humor that turned it into one of the worst season finales since S1. And goddamn, did that one suck. This show really loves to take one step further followed by two steps back.
Random musings:
PRO: The Garbage Pail Kids arriving in DUMPSTER TRUCKS AND TRASHED OUT BIKES. I died. So much corn.
PRO: Garbage Queen: "I lay with him after... you care?"
Mich:
PRO: Everything about King Ezekiel and his goddamned tiger.
PRO: As a matter of fact, the CG work was damn fine this episode, specially after that ungodly deer from a couple of episodes back.
PRO: I can't get enough of Negan and Rick's face offs. Andrew Lincoln is so above and beyond everybody else in this show and Jeffrey Dean Morgan continues to ham it out like few actors could.
PRO: Fantastic music as always.
UNDECIDED: The totally telegraphed moment when the Kingdom arrives and saves Rick and Coral. At least it gave us some decent face munching action. Shiva eating good.
CON: Rick and the gang falling for Dwight's dastardly plan.
CON: Rick and the gang getting fucked over by the Garbage Pail Kids.
CON: EVERYTHING about that terrible, terrible stand-off. To allow everybody in Alexandria expose their backs to the Garbage Pail Kids is so out of character for Rick after all these seasons.
CON: I see Kingdom folk are still wearing fake BMX armor as if it'd made a difference.
CON: WOW I BET NOBODY SAW THAT SASHA TWIST COMING. At least the show has culled one of its needlessly depressed, utterly wasted characters. Maybe Rosita is next.
CON: Everything, and I mean EVERYTHING about the battle. It's not just Tara's recoilless AK. Look at the people in the background. WHAT THE HELL ARE THEY DOING? Everybody was running around with no sense of space, firing at random without hitting shit even at point blank. How the fuck does this happen in a popular show with a decent budget. Cinemax's original shows run circles around anything bang-bang in TWD. I'm not even going to compare to Strike Back, which puts a lot of actual feature films to shame; even Quarry blows TWD out of the water when it comes to action. It's simply unacceptable that after seven seasons we haven't moved from Hershel's haxx shotgun.
I mean, look at Daryl's rifle. It doesn't even have sights.
But it looks cool, I guess?
Seriously, the show needs to do something about this. I've been complaining about TWD's gunfights for years already and they still suck. I think the only decent ones were that one at a bar back in S1 when Rick killed a couple of scavengers and when the gang took out the Savior's outpost. I don't understand it. Some actors like Lincoln and Reedus have good form and seem comfortable around guns, but did anybody else notice how STIFF Lauren Cohan was with that revolver? Mess.
CON: Oh, so now we are getting ready for the actual battle. Cool.
Honestly, it kind of sucked. It could have been a decent mid-season finale, but it didn't make any sense to send the season away with something that advanced the plot so little and had no real impact on any of the sides. At least now we know that the Garbage Pail Kids are up to no good. I hope nobody tells them how easily fire spreads out in landfills. Not that Rick would be that smart or anything.
Rating: Shit sucks, will hate again come next season.
Random musings:
PRO: The Garbage Pail Kids arriving in DUMPSTER TRUCKS AND TRASHED OUT BIKES. I died. So much corn.
PRO: Garbage Queen: "I lay with him after... you care?"
Mich:
PRO: Everything about King Ezekiel and his goddamned tiger.
PRO: As a matter of fact, the CG work was damn fine this episode, specially after that ungodly deer from a couple of episodes back.
PRO: I can't get enough of Negan and Rick's face offs. Andrew Lincoln is so above and beyond everybody else in this show and Jeffrey Dean Morgan continues to ham it out like few actors could.
PRO: Fantastic music as always.
UNDECIDED: The totally telegraphed moment when the Kingdom arrives and saves Rick and Coral. At least it gave us some decent face munching action. Shiva eating good.
CON: Rick and the gang falling for Dwight's dastardly plan.
CON: Rick and the gang getting fucked over by the Garbage Pail Kids.
CON: EVERYTHING about that terrible, terrible stand-off. To allow everybody in Alexandria expose their backs to the Garbage Pail Kids is so out of character for Rick after all these seasons.
CON: I see Kingdom folk are still wearing fake BMX armor as if it'd made a difference.
CON: WOW I BET NOBODY SAW THAT SASHA TWIST COMING. At least the show has culled one of its needlessly depressed, utterly wasted characters. Maybe Rosita is next.
CON: Everything, and I mean EVERYTHING about the battle. It's not just Tara's recoilless AK. Look at the people in the background. WHAT THE HELL ARE THEY DOING? Everybody was running around with no sense of space, firing at random without hitting shit even at point blank. How the fuck does this happen in a popular show with a decent budget. Cinemax's original shows run circles around anything bang-bang in TWD. I'm not even going to compare to Strike Back, which puts a lot of actual feature films to shame; even Quarry blows TWD out of the water when it comes to action. It's simply unacceptable that after seven seasons we haven't moved from Hershel's haxx shotgun.
I mean, look at Daryl's rifle. It doesn't even have sights.
But it looks cool, I guess?
Seriously, the show needs to do something about this. I've been complaining about TWD's gunfights for years already and they still suck. I think the only decent ones were that one at a bar back in S1 when Rick killed a couple of scavengers and when the gang took out the Savior's outpost. I don't understand it. Some actors like Lincoln and Reedus have good form and seem comfortable around guns, but did anybody else notice how STIFF Lauren Cohan was with that revolver? Mess.
CON: Oh, so now we are getting ready for the actual battle. Cool.
Honestly, it kind of sucked. It could have been a decent mid-season finale, but it didn't make any sense to send the season away with something that advanced the plot so little and had no real impact on any of the sides. At least now we know that the Garbage Pail Kids are up to no good. I hope nobody tells them how easily fire spreads out in landfills. Not that Rick would be that smart or anything.
Rating: Shit sucks, will hate again come next season.
TheRagnCajun
Member
No to mention there is only one entrance/exit to Alexandria that presumably the Kingdom used to get in and yet somehow Negan slipped out.
I thought it seemed like Dwight wasn't aware of the double cross from the Garbage People, but couldn't really do anything but go along with things once that happened.
Wasn't it him that left the wee statue Daryl found that said 'Didn't Know' (or something like that) on it?
McBradders
NeoGAF: my new HOME
That's what I took away from it.
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
I thought that was Eugene, but maybe you are right and it was Dwight who dropped it. I'm not sure if I care either way.
VenomousCoffee
Member
This is what happened. We are supposed to see Dwight as being on Rick's side.
This just pisses me off watching it again, there is ABSOLUTELY no way that if that was really happening, you'd stop swining, how does he see the tiger behind him and why would the reaction be to stop swinging? he'd have swung and run, surely
daninthemix
Member
Pretty bad in some ways - Neegan is jumped by a surprise zombie and that makes all the armed Saviors / Garbage People forget their weapons and let Rick's group start fighting? The whole fight was nonsense.
I knew beforehand Neegan would live to see another series. No way a producer's going to drop such a charismatic villain until he's wrung everything from him.
I knew beforehand Neegan would live to see another series. No way a producer's going to drop such a charismatic villain until he's wrung everything from him.
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
Same reason the Garbage Pail People didn't disarm Alexandrians right away AND got jumped by their captives despite having them in their sights because somehow Walker Sasha and John Wick Coral distracted them.
swearing-circle
Member
Carnby
Member
Yes. The chess pieces were an on going detail between Dwight and Daryl.
-saviors showed up for the first time and took 50% of everything, including the senator's husband's chess set
-Daryl escaped his cell and hid in Dwight's room. He noticed that he had the chess set and trashed it.
-when Dwight is doubting that he should remain with the saviors, just after Daryl escaped, Dwight goes in his room and realizes Daryl was in there and that Daryl trashed the chess set.
-Dwight leaves chess piece behind for Daryl, with "didn't know" written on the piece.
ZackieChan
Member
Cheese?
Carnby
Member
Haha. Thank you Autocorrect.
Apparently it' a real thing, a heavily custom AR 15 (Seekins Precision) and "a flat dark earth finish, Magpul UBR stock, Precision Reflex Gen III Delta Carbon fiber forearm in rifle length, the rifle appears to be a full auto SBR and has no sights ".
http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/The_Walking_Dead_-_Season_7#Custom_AR-15_.28Seekins_Precision.29
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
Looking around IMFDB says it's a Seekins Precision AR-15. I think it's actually an AAC MPW.
On The Talking Dead, they mentioned Negan's gun was a reference to Escape From New York:
Still ridiculous in practice, but a nice nod.
Oh shit totally forgot about Tdog. That's another random death in S3. And I totally agree.
All three of those three deaths were a result of crazy tension built around walkers too.
Shit walkers are hardly in the show anymore. And if they are there's no threat.
It's essentially an AR-15 with a different rail (what's covering the barrel).
It was chocolate.
Brilliant, that weapon looked so weird and seemed so out of place. it made no sense to include it whatsoever.
I've just googled series 8 in the comics to spoil myself and see what happens and if its gonna be any good
ffs negan