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[RJMacready73]

Unfortunately science cannot disprove God, Allah, Zeus or any other diety people wish to worship. This is because all religion is based on faith.



As a history scholar, I can say that is absolutely not true.

Of course science can disprove it, with evolutionary science we can easily see how/why "Gods" were invented in the first place and trace the origins right back throughout human history, not to mention physical science completely disproves it if we go by the written books by the so called scammers Prophets..

And as a history scholar you 100% sure that humans weren't killing each other because of this or that made of Deity before the written word???

 

[RJMacready73]

What an incredibly boring and sad world it would be if we didn't follow our convictions regardless of how baffling they might be to some

you're just ragin you still can't burn witches...

 

[Branded]

Ah yes. People who have definitely been atheists for the majority of their life always spell atheist wrong

Hah! I blame it on English being my second language.

fixed.

 

[IDKFA]

Of course science can disprove it, with evolutionary science we can easily see how/why "Gods" were invented in the first place and trace the origins right back throughout human history, not to mention physical science completely disproves it if we go by the written books by the so called scammers Prophets..

We'll have to agree to disagree here. Technically I'm Catholic, but I'm not a believer. However, I've not read anything that can disprove a higher power as that belief is based on faith.

And as a history scholar you 100% sure that humans weren't killing each other because of this or that made of Deity before the written word???

Slightly moving the goal posts here. Now, of course some wars and conflicts were caused by religion, however it's not the biggest cause of war, conflict, conquest or human suffering in history. There is also evidence of humans killing each other before the written word. Well before.

I don't want to derail this thread further, so if you wish to debate this then please do so via private message. Thanks.

 

[Sleepwalker]

Im not going to argue about the existence of god or the teachings of religion because its not my place to do so as I'm not really a big believer at this point.

But one could argue (in his faith) that God has granted him with a gift of talent for football and that he's squandering away said gift.

 

[ShirAhava]

Good on him for giving up something fun but ultimately completely worthless for something he actually believes in.

Far too many people allow themselves to be ruled by the ignorant perceptions of others and aren't living the life they truly want to live

 

[RJMacready73]

We'll have to agree to disagree here. Technically I'm Catholic, but I'm not a believer. However, I've not read anything that can disprove a higher power as that belief is based on faith.



Slightly moving the goal posts here. Now, of course some wars and conflicts were caused by religion, however it's not the biggest cause of war, conflict, conquest or human suffering in history. There is also evidence of humans killing each other before the written word. Well before.

I don't want to derail this thread further, so if you wish to debate this then please do so via private message. Thanks.

We're all good chap

 

[Tams]

Good on him for giving up something fun but ultimately completely worthless for something he actually believes in.

Far too many people allow themselves to be ruled by the ignorant perceptions of others and aren't living the life they truly want to live

But what if what he believes in is worthless mumbo jumbo?

If God really does exist, do you really think he (?) cares what day you worship him most on?!

Surely, if you are truly devout, shouldn't every day be most important to worship him?

 

[ShirAhava]

But what if what he believes in is worthless mumbo jumbo?

If God really does exist, do you really think he (?) cares what day you worship him most on?!

Surely, if you are truly devout, shouldn't every day be most important to worship him?

Its funny....We can agree to be at school or work at a certain time submitting to the various societal contracts between the people, our government ect. without much fuss But the idea of intelligent design, of a maker and an orderly existence with laws, statues and commandments given to man to obey and follow and a million questions, doubts and whys which is fine just funny to me....According to many scriptural texts he cares and cares very deeply just as a father cares about his sons and wants whats best for them. A day for rest, a shabbath and that day being the 7th day and the meaning behind it can be found very easily just as Silvan Wallner did. If you do not see the importance of it or care to look into why others do.....so be it.

 

[Kraz]

They shoulda asked him if he thinks Jesus is imminently returning. See if he's gone full death cult.

 

[Murdok]

OK. So maybe traditionally Saturday was considered the day of rest, but I'm pretty sure the bible doesn't mention the word "Saturday" which is in reference to Saturn is it not? The day is arbitrarily chosen by some person, not dictated by god. It all depends on what you consider the first day if the week. I'm pretty sure god wouldn't go by the Gregorian calendar or care which day you rest.

Despite the fact that the name Saturday is not in fact the biblical name, but rather shabbat, the seventh day remains the same day forever. Jesus did not stop being the Messiah, because he was called Christ, which was the Greek word for messiah. This is very clear in Genesis, that after God created the world in 6 days, on the Seventh He rested, blessed and sanctified that day:

Gen 2:1-3: "And the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God finished his work which he had done; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and hallowed it;"

Even in Exodus there is a reference to remember the Seventh day that was established at creation:

Exo 20:8-11: "Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work; but the seventh day is a sabbath unto Jehovah thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work , thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy man-servant, nor thy maid-servant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: for in six days Jehovah made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherever Jehovah blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it."

This already existed before any human calendar, in addition to not coming from an arbitrary human decision but from the will of God. And no one has the authority to change that.

I still think the Saturday idea is stupid AF, but I truly appreciate the effort you put into explaining it to us heathens.

Thus says the Lord God:

Prov 3:5: "Trust in Jehovah with all thy heart, And lean not upon thine own understanding:"

Isa 55:6-9: "Seek ye Jehovah while he may be found; call ye upon him while he is near: let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts; and let him return unto Jehovah, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon. For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith Jehovah. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts."

Acts 17:30-31: "And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead."

 

[Tams]

Its funny....We can agree to be at school or work at a certain time submitting to the various societal contracts between the people, our government ect. without much fuss But the idea of intelligent design, of a maker and an orderly existence with laws, statues and commandments given to man to obey and follow and a million questions, doubts and whys which is fine just funny to me....According to many scriptural texts he cares and cares very deeply just as a father cares about his sons and wants whats best for them. A day for rest, a shabbath and that day being the 7th day and the meaning behind it can be found very easily just as Silvan Wallner did. If you do not see the importance of it or care to look into why others do.....so be it.

He cares so much that the likes of a cancer exists.

 

[Kraz]

Its funny....We can agree to be at school or work at a certain time submitting to the various societal contracts between the people, our government ect. without much fuss But the idea of intelligent design, of a maker and an orderly existence with laws, statues and commandments given to man to obey and follow and a million questions, doubts and whys which is fine just funny to me....According to many scriptural texts he cares and cares very deeply just as a father cares about his sons and wants whats best for them. A day for rest, a shabbath and that day being the 7th day and the meaning behind it can be found very easily just as Silvan Wallner did. If you do not see the importance of it or care to look into why others do.....so be it.

Using the Bible to explain reality and inform behavior is like using a comic book fiction to explain the universe and insisting it's true. Really bad shape to think it's on an equal footing as that of natural science as a reflection of reality.

The universe in the Bible is like this

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Copernicus and what happened to Galileo shows how difficult it can be to undo unquestioningly belief in falsehoods and the effect on civilizations.

 

[FunkMiller]

Its funny....We can agree to be at school or work at a certain time submitting to the various societal contracts between the people, our government ect. without much fuss But the idea of intelligent design, of a maker and an orderly existence with laws, statues and commandments given to man to obey and follow and a million questions, doubts and whys which is fine just funny to me....According to many scriptural texts he cares and cares very deeply just as a father cares about his sons and wants whats best for them. A day for rest, a shabbath and that day being the 7th day and the meaning behind it can be found very easily just as Silvan Wallner did. If you do not see the importance of it or care to look into why others do.....so be it.

I - or anyone else - could spend many paragraphs trying to convince you that intelligent design is not real, and that the scientific realities of evolution, the construction of the universe, and the functions of the natural world are all very well evidenced, across multiple independent expert sources, and have been for many, many years.

...and you'd ignore all of it.

Because one thing that is also very well evidenced across multiple independent expert sources is the human capacity for self delusion.