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Mr Gump said:
i really don't know....just bizarre.
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STUPID BOOKING FOR THE LOSS!
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i really don't know....just bizarre.
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STUPID BOOKING FOR THE LOSS!
Keyser Soze
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It's the only way they could give Edge another chance as if he lost this match he would not get anoter go at the title. I thought Lita fucked up first but she did not mess up, as even if she did miss hitting Cena he would have known to sell been hit by the belt.
It will be Cena Vs Edge III in some gimmick match next week as Edge will say he did not lose the match last week so he deserves another go.
It will be Cena Vs Edge III in some gimmick match next week as Edge will say he did not lose the match last week so he deserves another go.
Outcast2004
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Guzim said:
Well logically.... Edge was in position for a F-U. By hitting Edge it did get the win for Edge. But god damn can you tell Dusty is booking this shit or what?
jobber
Would let Tony Parker sleep with his wife
You guys are blind. She did it. Edge's backup plan. He can bitch about beating Cena to Vince til Vince gives him another title shot. I do it all the time in Raw Vs. SD. I call my manager to give me a chair when I'm getting my ass beat, let the CPU pick it up and bash me. I lose, but I keep the title. LOLZ
"Stop doing the combover, Vince! We all know you're going bald!"
"What? FEEL THIS HAIR! ALL NATURAL!"
"My hair is the coolest. You're both bitches."
"Oh, but you just bought yourself a match with...THE BIG SHOW. Come along, Shane."
"oh no"
WHEN SUDDENLY
"You smell delicious, what is that scent?"
"RAAAAAAAAPE"
"R-A-P-E RAPE IS IN THE HOUSE! RAPE RAPE RAPE RAPERAPE!"
"What the hell is going on here???"
"A rape angle? That's DISGUSTING."
"GET UNDER ME JOHN THIS IS TOO FUCKED UP"
The Main Event
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Ken Doane
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Mike Mondo
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Nick Mitchell
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Johnny Jeter
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Nick Nemeth:
PRESENT TO YOU...THE SPIRIT SQUAD!!!:
EVERYBODY BOW DOWN TO THE FUTURE OF PROFESSIONAL WRESTLING
I feel sorry for those guys. They all know they are going to fail miserably, but what can they do? Say no to the biggest contract they'll see in their lives?
They've been bodybuilding and hitting the indie scene for years, and they finnaly get into the WWE, as Spirit Squad. I'd guess its like making the major leauges and having the Devil Rays call you up.
They've been bodybuilding and hitting the indie scene for years, and they finnaly get into the WWE, as Spirit Squad. I'd guess its like making the major leauges and having the Devil Rays call you up.
Brian Fellows
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Keyser Soze said:
Yeah TNA seems to do a pretty good job of using people IMO. Sadly their use of Shelley has been horrible. First Baby Bear now the video camera crap.
*EDIT* Wow I didnt recognize Jeter at all. That Doane dude is pretty decent on the mic. I just watched him lose the OVW TV title to CM Punk. Sadly the match lasted like 1 minute so I dont know how he wrestles.
CM Punk on youtube.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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I wish they would STFU about Eddie. It's like his death is just an angle by the way they keep throwing it into storylines.
Keyser Soze
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Someone has to have caught a video, or at least a photo of taker running. If it gets onto the interweb it will make my year!!! 
Outcast2004
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Ok, readint he Smackdown spoilers just confirms it... the booking has gone straight down the shtter.
I was ok with Rey honoring Eddie's memory, the guy was a legend and a "family" member to him. But now? It's flat out pandering and exploitation.
They're going to get the #1 contendership off Rey at the next PPV (mistake #1).
They had a WAY screwed up finish to Raw last night that left everyone scratching their heads.
It's pretty obvious HHH is going to take the title and sit on it for about a year. Fine by me. It's all ABC, baby...Anyone But Cena
Their midcard is a wreck of epic proportions.
Dammit Spike, stop dragging your feet... give TNA a primetime slot. with booking as bad as it is for WWE, TNA has almost no competition!
I was ok with Rey honoring Eddie's memory, the guy was a legend and a "family" member to him. But now? It's flat out pandering and exploitation.
They're going to get the #1 contendership off Rey at the next PPV (mistake #1).
They had a WAY screwed up finish to Raw last night that left everyone scratching their heads.
It's pretty obvious HHH is going to take the title and sit on it for about a year. Fine by me. It's all ABC, baby...Anyone But Cena
Their midcard is a wreck of epic proportions.
Dammit Spike, stop dragging your feet... give TNA a primetime slot. with booking as bad as it is for WWE, TNA has almost no competition!
dskillzhtown
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Pretty much. But everyone is talking about the last angle all over the net and WWE doesn't know what they are doing?
Undeniably Me
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Outcast2004 said:
See, I just don't get that mentality. You're still getting poor programming regardless. Nothing is being remedied. I'm not arguing against yet another Triple H title run but the entire concept of "anyone but Cena" that I see here. Sure, it'll be a short-term relief when he drops the belt but unless it's to the right person under the right circumstances, it won't make a lot of difference. You'll just see people here bitching incessantly about the new champion.
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Undeniably Me said:
I'll make it really simple.
Wrestling logic 101:
It's ALWAYS better to have a babyface CHASING the belt than it is to have him with a lengthy title reign. You get better TV out of the thrill of the chase.
They botched the Edge storyline right out of the gate. Granted he probably isn't "main-event" of Wrestlemania material. BUT, by the time came around you could have had this feud red-hot and elevated Edge as a hated heel and Cena as the babyface who's always "this close" to getting the title.
Nameless
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Outcast2004 said:
I think it was just bad booking, and a matter of a limiited roster. Its alot like they when they gave Orton the title. Its like they stood back and realized that there weren't enough over faces that he hand't fought to death alread to make interesting feuds.
Triple H wasn't WM main event calibur when he first one the title, neither was Jericho or JBL, but with time they got over as true maineventers and I have no doubt in my mind Edge would have as well. They could have had a triple threat match or af fatal fourway but Edge would have benefited in the long run running through the road to mania as champ. He had a great start IMO. He won the title in memorable and shocking fashion, he his first night as champ he for what is good or bad a very memorable moment, and then he had a classic match in his first defense.
Outcast2004
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My thoughts on last night's debacle from the ther wrasslin thread....
The finish would have worked MUCH better had Edge still had the title. You have heels cheat to KEEP the title.... not to prevent them from getting it. WTF.
IMO, Flair shouldn't be holding a title that's meant to enhance younger talent on the edge of main-event status. ESPECIALLY considering the damn thing is NEVER defended.
Toss on top of that the Trish & Mickey segment and t was a poor show overall.
I assure you of this, I don't watch the shows to "just rip on it". After the shitty PPV and this mess as a follow-up am I supposed to just choke down what they give? Hardly.
If it's good, I'll say so. But to me, last night's show was a glaring example of just how bad things really are.
dskillzhtown said:
The lone bright spot, even that wasn't that good. The tag division is a fucking joke. Whats the point?
YES. The reason it's stll being talked about is due to it being way out there for a finish. Granted it'll lead into something else I'm sure. The whole thing just SCREAMS "Dusty finish".
The finish would have worked MUCH better had Edge still had the title. You have heels cheat to KEEP the title.... not to prevent them from getting it. WTF.
Yep, Chavo barely got to put up a fight... this did nothing for either man. It was mainly filler. Toss on top of that MORE exploitation of Eddie's death for storyline purposes.
Unfortunately it was with Snitsky. Not even RVD was good enough to carry him.
Sorry, I really don't like the whole "Momma's Boy" angle they are doing. It's not helping Shelton at all. It's a comedy angle and I don't think it fits him.
IMO, Flair shouldn't be holding a title that's meant to enhance younger talent on the edge of main-event status. ESPECIALLY considering the damn thing is NEVER defended.
Toss on top of that the Trish & Mickey segment and t was a poor show overall.
I assure you of this, I don't watch the shows to "just rip on it". After the shitty PPV and this mess as a follow-up am I supposed to just choke down what they give? Hardly.
If it's good, I'll say so. But to me, last night's show was a glaring example of just how bad things really are.
Thiis is exactly what they are doing. BUT, Edge's credibility as a contender was flushed away in one fell swoop. Something that coul have been a great feud has turned into a joke.Penguin said:
I am tired of hearing the "Edge won the match by DQ so he can beg Vince for another rematch" excuse for last night. It won't work.
We need a START to the Triple H feud for the title. By having Cena continue to fight Edge for the title wouldn't make sense, unless WWE is changing their mind and is going to have an Edge/Cena match at Wrestlemania. The idea of the Road to Wrestlemania is to build up the matches on RAW for Wrestlemania rather than start the feud right after No Way Out.
Now, if they DO decide to go that direction, WWE might halfway save last night by making a No. 1 contender's match between Triple H and Edge... it would be two heels, but we all know that the fans would cheer Triple H.
It would be a lot better than seeing the same old shit next week. OMG GUYZ, EDGE VS CENA AGAIN LOLZ.
Edit: forgot about Saturday Night Main Event... yep, that IS what they are trying to pull off. Still, that doesn't make it any better.
We need a START to the Triple H feud for the title. By having Cena continue to fight Edge for the title wouldn't make sense, unless WWE is changing their mind and is going to have an Edge/Cena match at Wrestlemania. The idea of the Road to Wrestlemania is to build up the matches on RAW for Wrestlemania rather than start the feud right after No Way Out.
Now, if they DO decide to go that direction, WWE might halfway save last night by making a No. 1 contender's match between Triple H and Edge... it would be two heels, but we all know that the fans would cheer Triple H.
It would be a lot better than seeing the same old shit next week. OMG GUYZ, EDGE VS CENA AGAIN LOLZ.
Edit: forgot about Saturday Night Main Event... yep, that IS what they are trying to pull off. Still, that doesn't make it any better.
VisionaryQuest0
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Yeah, they should've had Cena chase the title to Saturday NIght Main Event and then win it from Edge. Do not know why they felt the need to take the belt off Edge so fast. I mean honestly, what's fun about watching the heel chase the babyface?
Nameless
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Matlock said:
Apparently Vince feels that Joey calls the match too technically, saying the name of moves that Vince himself doesn't know and focusing too much on the action. He feels Styles doesn't sell the storylines as much. Styles>The JR before he left easily.
JR sold the story a little TOO much.
JR: Nice Powerbomb by Kane..ANd speaking of Bombs, what sort of bombshell will Mr.McMahon drop later tonight with his major announcement.
King: I don't know but I bet it will be big JR.
JR:Speaking of Big...The Game has a Big problem..at that problem is the 7foot 500pound big. And they will clash in our Main Event.
King: Im sure looking forward to BIG THINGS in the Bra and Panties match coming up Next!
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Nameless said:
Vince just needs to back the hell off of Joey. The guy is a MASTER at work....let him do his thing.
Joey is the best play by play guy out there right now, not named Tenay. He's knowledgable as all can be...that's his strength. HE KNOWS HIS SHIT.
You have 2 other worthless sacks of shit there to add "color, let Joey do his thing.
How can someone want the style of commentary going on right now? It's just so repetitive and downright awful.
If they couldn't use the "speaking of..." transition, Cole, King, and JR would have no fucking idea how to bring up the next topic. Why can't they just let each person have their own style? and stop trying to sell every match as the greatest performance ever. Stop trying to sell anyone that's returning as being in the best shape of their lives. Jeez we're not stupid.
If they couldn't use the "speaking of..." transition, Cole, King, and JR would have no fucking idea how to bring up the next topic. Why can't they just let each person have their own style? and stop trying to sell every match as the greatest performance ever. Stop trying to sell anyone that's returning as being in the best shape of their lives. Jeez we're not stupid.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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It wasn't JR's problem. He's done enough interviews where it was obvious he wanted more wrestling and more of a focus on wrestlers. He just knows Vince likes his commentators to sell the main event story hard with lame overacting.Mr Gump said:
I don't think Styles is unable to talk about the storylines. Obviously it'd be way easier to just talk about an angle that's going on instead of calling the action as it happens and explain the wrestlers' motivations behind moves. The problem is that he's just as genuinely uninterested as the rest of us.
The commentary is better suited to a 2-man team, I think. Adding Coach to the mix doesn't really do anything... I understand they're trying to get his character out there and have him be pro-heel and stir shit up, but he's just not good at it. He just seems to interject himself into the middle of things and talk over the top of the other guys, and it makes it annoying to listen to. But it's not Coach's fault... Nitro was the same way, with Mongo talking over people, or later on, Schiavone would be fumbling and doing anything to get himself heard once Tenay came in.
The one thing I do like is that Styles will ask Lawler's take on a move or an opponent... seems like JR didn't do this too often, iirc. I like it because it lets Lawler sell the fact that he has beaten hundreds of guys and isn't merely some dick with a crown on, and for the casual watchers, it helps clue them in on stuff that's happening. It feels like something you'd have heard in the 80s/early 90s, and it's a fresh change from OHMAHGAW AUSTINAUSTIN and shit.
The one thing I do like is that Styles will ask Lawler's take on a move or an opponent... seems like JR didn't do this too often, iirc. I like it because it lets Lawler sell the fact that he has beaten hundreds of guys and isn't merely some dick with a crown on, and for the casual watchers, it helps clue them in on stuff that's happening. It feels like something you'd have heard in the 80s/early 90s, and it's a fresh change from OHMAHGAW AUSTINAUSTIN and shit.
Nameless
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The Raw announce team styles clash to the point that they're pretty bad together.
First off King is HORRIBLE as a face commentator, hes not suited for it. Then you have Joey Styles focusing on the action, trying to call matches from the prespective of a knowledgable wrestling fan, only to have the coach twist everything he says into the story or bring up the storylines himself every other sentence.
The ultimate Raw announce team= Joey Styles & Paul Heyman.
First off King is HORRIBLE as a face commentator, hes not suited for it. Then you have Joey Styles focusing on the action, trying to call matches from the prespective of a knowledgable wrestling fan, only to have the coach twist everything he says into the story or bring up the storylines himself every other sentence.
The ultimate Raw announce team= Joey Styles & Paul Heyman.
Nameless
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bjork said:
LMFAO!..Or they could just bring back Heenan. LMFAO@ Vince "Oh will you stop it"
No...I got it!!
Dusty Rhodes=Raw Announce Team Saviour.
Seriously he would make the Snitsky and Diva filler crap entertaining with his incoherent rants.
Dusty: They bout to get on the griiiind baby..they bout to wet their shoes if you wiilll..Come on Big Daddy, its time to handle some binent 2nite.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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I hope Vince just fires him so TNA can get rid of that stupid oaf Don West and bring in Styles. West's undying hard-on for AJ Styles is way worse than JR with Austin, and he's pretty much turned AJ heel with indy fans on his own.
Joey Styles + Mike Tenay would be awesome, and I think Styles is funny enough to not need some douchebag in there to do color.
Joey Styles + Mike Tenay would be awesome, and I think Styles is funny enough to not need some douchebag in there to do color.
Matlock said:
I can see it. I'm as big a fan of Styles as is possible as I loved ECW but I also don't believe his style meshes with the WWE style very well either. I was pissed when I found out they were getting rid of JR but at least somewhat contented to see it was styles replacing him.
Unfortunately, it hasn't worked out exactly as well as I would have hoped imo. He either sounds not in the proper flow of what is going on or just phony to me. Not that he is a phony but phony because he clearly isn't buying into certain aspects of it and it comes across in his annoucing to me.
JR for me was great in making me feel like he believed and cared about all that bullshit despite how corny some stuff was and you need a portion of that true believer to carry you when not every angle is gonna be excellent. Not over the top and condescending like WCW annoucing was but still very invested. I'll take that over technical competence of calling every single move correctly anytime.
Of course Vince had issues with JR also, so Vince isn't exactly on steady ground here in his criticisms and it sometimes takes quite a while for an annoucer to find his voice which could be the case with Joey but I have feeling that Styles stay with WWE won't be nearly as long as most people think.
The rest of the WWE annoucers though should rightfully be ripped as they are horrible. A 3 man booth is also not a good idea in wrestling to me. Too much chaos and it tends to destroy the balance I like of Face Pbp/Heel Color.
dskillzhtown
keep your strippers out of my American football
Guzim said:
"There's a lady in the men's bathroom!"
LOL! That was funny as hell. Dusty on color is comedy gold, even if the match is terrible. I wouldn't mind him being on commentary for one night on raw just so we can get some 2006 Dusty-isms.
Vince on color was funny too. He would struggle with names of moves and holds but that 1...2...3...OHHHHHSFGSFRGWERT NOOOO HE KICKED OUT!!!, then an awkward pause was always good for a laugh.
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