Err ain't nvidia and intel way more expensive than amd hence why Sony and ms went with amd in their consoles?
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$1000 console? I'm out. official boycott thread
- Thread starter Geometric-Crusher
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Haint
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Adjusted for inflation that's less than half the street price of a 5090 (the comparable enthusiast product of today).
bender
What time is it?
Neo Geo was worth it though.
Pimpbaa
Slop Inspector
The new xbox is a console pc hybrid. Not that different from the steam deck or upcoming steam machine. They need to make money on the hardware, because it's an open system. You are going to have people using other storefronts than MS' so they can't rely on game sales to offset the cost a bit. The series s/x will be the last true consoles that MS' makes. No need to panic unless the PS6 ends up being $1000.
epicurius-seven
Gold Member
Pay increasingly more for diminishing gains. Sure.
I've hit my IDGAF about graphical improvements threshold so plenty of backlog and no new console purchase is just fine.
I've hit my IDGAF about graphical improvements threshold so plenty of backlog and no new console purchase is just fine.
Mr.Phoenix
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You can buy a $500 console right n.... oh wait, sorry, its price went up to $600.
But yh, that's what a $500 console looks like.
But yh, that's what a $500 console looks like.
Griffon
Member
Paying out the ass for stutterfest UE5 jank doesn't sound appealing.
I think the consumers will regulate the market pretty hard by just not buying in.
A few rich enthusiasts like those on GAF will splurge the money, sure, but the general public just won't be there.
I think the Switch 2 is about as much as people are willing to pay for... and even it is towing the line of inaccessibility already.
Sony and MS are gonna get reality checked pretty hard. And AAA devs will see their numbers shrink even harder. It's over.
I think the consumers will regulate the market pretty hard by just not buying in.
A few rich enthusiasts like those on GAF will splurge the money, sure, but the general public just won't be there.
I think the Switch 2 is about as much as people are willing to pay for... and even it is towing the line of inaccessibility already.
Sony and MS are gonna get reality checked pretty hard. And AAA devs will see their numbers shrink even harder. It's over.
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LavitzSlambert
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Small John McCarthy
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I'll buy it if it's good. If it's supported like PS5… I'll leave it.
lmao
Guardian Monkey
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crackajack
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The only chance of getting a console that is insnaely cheap compared to PC equivalents, even more so than the PS5 was (and probably still is even after the price bump) in the past years, would be if it comes from Tencent or some other chinese brand.
Just like with smartphones where you get easily about 20-30% better or cheaper hardware.
Just like Samsung, Sony, Fairphone and Apple don't do cheap (and flagshippy) phones, Nintendo, Sony, MS, Nvidia, Meta, Google, Amazon just can't and don't want to do cheap consoles. Xiaomi, Vivo, Huawei, Honor, Oppo or Tencent, maybe Lenovo are the only chance we have.
But i'd also agree with the calculation that per hour even rather expensive machines are still kinda alright. The "199!" times are certainly over, at least for the foreseeable future, unless AI leads us in the holy land.
Just like with smartphones where you get easily about 20-30% better or cheaper hardware.
Just like Samsung, Sony, Fairphone and Apple don't do cheap (and flagshippy) phones, Nintendo, Sony, MS, Nvidia, Meta, Google, Amazon just can't and don't want to do cheap consoles. Xiaomi, Vivo, Huawei, Honor, Oppo or Tencent, maybe Lenovo are the only chance we have.
But i'd also agree with the calculation that per hour even rather expensive machines are still kinda alright. The "199!" times are certainly over, at least for the foreseeable future, unless AI leads us in the holy land.
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dgrdsv
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Console over $1000 with a GPU which you can buy for $300.
Shogmaster
Sloppy seconds
You can't buy Steam Machine yet playa.
Majima Everywhere System
Member
Cheap hardware brings in some real riff raf. If devs have to focus their products on 40 year old rich men, we might be back.
cormack12
Gold Member
I probably won't get the next xbox. I have my PC now and it looks like they are going hard on Play Anywhere. Also the Xbox mode for Windows 11 comes out soon. I am interested in how many games will have crossplay though between Xbox and PC.
PS6 I'm going to wait on. I have a Pro and the output of their first party titles has been very poor this gen. If we end this generation with ND, Guerilla, SSM and Insomniac all dropping a first party title in the last 12-18 months prior to the PS6 launch, we ain't seeing many games launching on that system. Maybe GT8? And an Astro Bot.
PS6 I'm going to wait on. I have a Pro and the output of their first party titles has been very poor this gen. If we end this generation with ND, Guerilla, SSM and Insomniac all dropping a first party title in the last 12-18 months prior to the PS6 launch, we ain't seeing many games launching on that system. Maybe GT8? And an Astro Bot.
spons
Gold Member
If it's another walled-garden, but at the cost of a fucking grand or more, I won't get one. Microsoft has done a great job at getting a many games as possible on Series consoles from previous generations, but it's not enough. That's why the Steam Machine should be great, but even my shitbox PC beats it in terms of GPU (7700 XT), unless they get an exclusive deal for FSR4, which I still think is horse shit from AMD for not releasing it officially on earlier gens even though it fucking works, proven so.
Meanwhile I relegated my Series S for streaming my PC through Moonlight to my TV.
Meanwhile I relegated my Series S for streaming my PC through Moonlight to my TV.
Doczu
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Bud Light? Didn't that one cause some tremors at the company?
12Dannu123
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If the PS6 is going to start at $1000, then the whole business model of a traditional console collapses, at that price point you're approaching PC-like territory. If a PC is going to be $200 more, then the PC is more valuable as it's multi-purpose, open ecosystem and free multi-player. Helix is a PC console hybrid, so the value proposition is different from a closed box like PS6 and so far based on rumours, Sony consoles are becoming less value than PCs and frankly their PS handheld while being more powerful than a normal PC handheld, it's highly likely it will be as expensive and therefore less value for money.
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Icymanipulator
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$1000 console - fuck this shit I'm out
$1200 phone - I'll take 5 for the family.
$1200 phone - I'll take 5 for the family.
12Dannu123
Member
You seriously comparing a phone to a console? One is a multi-purpose device and essential to daily life while another is a luxury and is not essential.
Giallo Corsa
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thing is, 99% of the population doesn't need 1200$/€ phones and yet...
Basically, you missed the guy's point
12Dannu123
Member
thing is, 99% of the population doesn't need 1200$/€ phones and yet...
Basically, you missed the guy's point
I don't think I missed the OP at all. Even if a phone is $1000, its multi-purpose,is a one-off purchase and imo more value for money compared to a console that is locked down, tied to a TV and requires a subscription to function for multi-player.
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meech
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meech
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Exactly, a 200 dollar android phone is good enough for most things people do with their mobile all day. Whats app and browsing doesnt need many ressources.thing is, 99% of the population doesn't need 1200$/€ phones and yet...
Basically, you missed the guy's point
Icymanipulator
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Ya they are so one off, they last forever and no one upgrades ever.
I will buy the PS6 for sure but building a PC isnt cheap either.
SenkiDala
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Plenty of times, especially in consoles market.
I'm in France and I can talk about what happened in Europe.
- The Xbox OG was released at 479€ (when the PS2 was at 299 and 199 for the GameCube), after 6 weeks seeing nobody buys it : they lowered the price at 299€.
- The PS3 came out at 599€ (for a 60gb drive), the sales were mid, they released a 40gb model at 399€ 6 months later.
- The 3DS came out at 249€ in Europe, people didn't buy it at that price (it was the price of a PS3 at that time), 2 months later it lowered at 169€.
So yes, it works.
vaibhavpisal
Member
Lame.
Let people buy what they want.
Boycott rtx 5090 cause its too expensive LMAO.
Let people buy what they want.
Boycott rtx 5090 cause its too expensive LMAO.
Puscifer
Gold Member
More than half the country doesn't have 500 dollars for an emergency, dude.
John Marston
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Quebec, Canada.
Esppiral
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I want to know where this meme originated from
Mr.Phoenix
Member
Ok... so you want to talk about the purpose... what makes it essential, right?
You know you can buy a $300 phone that does 90% of what that $1200 phone does, right?
I just find this whole argument silly. You don't need to buy a $1200 phone, any more than most people need to buy a $2000 laptop, or a $200k car, or a $2k GPU...etc. A want becomes a need only when, in rare cases, that thing is integral to your life and survival, or, subjectively, the person doing the buying decides they want it.
And that's the key thing here, want it. Let people buy whatever they want, and let people not buy what they want... where this starts to get weird is when people who decide they can't afford it, or that it's out of their price bracket, start a campaign to make it look bad.
Eg. I hate that games cost $70, on principle that means I will not buy more than 3 -5 games at full price each year, so I will only buy the stuff that I really want or that are really good (to me). You don't see me going to start a boycott thread like I don't know this isn't the early 2000s anymore, where games cost $20M to make, and studios can break even or make a profit just by selling 1M copies of their game.
The hardware required to handle next-gen gaming... is steadily going up, or we just gonna pretend that even the Switch 2 handheld price didn't go up by 50% compared to the Switch 1? Or we pretending that we don't see the steady creep upwards over the last 20 YEARS in PC component pricing, especially when looking at the "console equivalent GPUs" that end up in consoles? Just silly to me.
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Geometric-Crusher
"Nintendo games are like indies, and worth at most $19" 🤡
Fess
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If you're already on PC there is no big loss, 95% of the games are on PC anyway now. Missing 5 good exclusives or whatever is no problem.
But if you're not on PC then what's your plan? Seems like a deadend at least once next gen exclusives comes out without crossgen ports.
Not sure what I'll do but I'm on PC so no real rush. I might l get the Xbox if the BC solution is fantastic just to have the complete library on one device, and I might jump in on a PS6 Pro if Sony has managed to increase the first party output til then. But it would be a last resort thing.
But if you're not on PC then what's your plan? Seems like a deadend at least once next gen exclusives comes out without crossgen ports.
Not sure what I'll do but I'm on PC so no real rush. I might l get the Xbox if the BC solution is fantastic just to have the complete library on one device, and I might jump in on a PS6 Pro if Sony has managed to increase the first party output til then. But it would be a last resort thing.
Parazels
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Venom Snake
Member
Hardware at RTX 5080-levels for $1000 is a steal.
Bert Big Balls
Gold Member
Day One. Seethe.
Shadowstar39
Member
Yep. People here are clueless. It's how it used to work until the scalpers and influencers used peer pressure to get stock to go away. Hopefully people hold on to their money to force their hand.
Sony doesn't have ms at their throats anymore and this is a bad thing. Back then that competition brought prices down and spurred growth.
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Tiago Rodrigues
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I'll wait for the PS6 price until i say something like this. There's literally no indication that it will cost 1000 bucks.
In fact we seem to be walking towards some price decreases after what happened for the past few months. Late 2027 things will probably look better.
That said, even if it's 1000€ i'll buy it. I bought a PS5 Pro for 800€ and i'm quite happy with it. If i sell this one and trade it for a PS6 it'll probably be around 400€ for the PS6 and that's more than okay for me. (assuming PS6 is released at 800 bucks)
In fact we seem to be walking towards some price decreases after what happened for the past few months. Late 2027 things will probably look better.
That said, even if it's 1000€ i'll buy it. I bought a PS5 Pro for 800€ and i'm quite happy with it. If i sell this one and trade it for a PS6 it'll probably be around 400€ for the PS6 and that's more than okay for me. (assuming PS6 is released at 800 bucks)
midnightAI
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Most of the world don't have $1200+ phones though, and most get contracts so pay monthlything is, 99% of the population doesn't need 1200$/€ phones and yet...
Basically, you missed the guy's point
And yes, usage matters, phones are now part of our daily lives so are worth the expense
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