1990's Cartoon Survivor (Do-Over)
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SpacePirate Ridley
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My vote for the 00's is put Cowboy Bebop in. In europe it also aired in 01 when Toonami first started.
In times where the internet was not so wildly use like now, Cowboy Bebop was a show of 00's for the rest of the world and a phenomenon of quality anime.
For us for example Dragon Ball is not really a 90's show, and here it is, beacause its a thread geared to american airdates.
In times where the internet was not so wildly use like now, Cowboy Bebop was a show of 00's for the rest of the world and a phenomenon of quality anime.
For us for example Dragon Ball is not really a 90's show, and here it is, beacause its a thread geared to american airdates.
Yeah, I think so too. Excitement!
Conflict NZ
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Anime and Prime time Animation are kind of iffy when it comes to this. Do they count as cartoons? The only shows I would argue fit the criteria for the 00s would be shows that were popular with kids such as beyblades, Yu Gi Oh and Pokemon. A separate anime survivor thread would probably be more appropriate for all the rest. Otherwise we'll have about 50 anime on the list.
Meh, I still call bull, but at least it opens door for Neon Genesi Evangelion. To be honest, I think there should be anime survivore thread instead of including them with American/Euro cartoons.
Doctor Decimate
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ЯAW;97504898 said:
pretty sure it matters when we're considering when people actually watched these shows. which would make "well it aired in the 90s in Japan" irrelevant. are there some questionable choices on this list? sure, but the omission of Bebop isn't one of them.
Considering that this thread had prime time animation, I see no reason why the 00 thread wouldn't. I can assure you that Adult Swim was popular with kids as well, considering that I was still a kid at the beginning of the 00's and watched it religiously.
Happen to have a current count? No one jumped on the Spongebob train, so I've got two kills to spend on something.
TheAbsolution
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What's wrong with it being included with the 00s thread? Sounds like a good idea to me.ЯAW;97504898 said:
Anyways, the list don't be every anime or cartoon that ever aired during the 00s. It'll be curated to be most of the best of the best that was popular in the US.
Conflict NZ
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I just mean there's so much anime that became popular during the 00s that it should have it's own thread, I would seriously consider doing a US produced shows only for the 00s considering all the content.
This is a good idea
SpacePirate Ridley
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Spanish dub, french dub, italian dub...
The majority of the world saw this anime dubbed, english or any other language. I dont know anyone that watched this in japanese with subs.
All this dubs come from the same time period, 2001, so I think is easy to put it in a 00's cartoon thread.
But that opens door for many anime shows. Neon Geneis would make the cut and it was made in 95. There are other popular shows that ran in 80s/90s that weren't aired until 00s in US.
It's not fair. There were plenty of popular and culturally significant animes made in 80s/90s that didn't get US air date until early 00s.
Doctor Decimate
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i agree with this. for the 90s it was a little more limited, so it was at least feasible to put some anime on the general cartoon list according to what aired in the West. but with the 00s you can easily make your own separate list
If it aired on American TV and was popular with kids, I think it should be on the list. That excludes a lot of the anime people would otherwise put on it since anime on TV kind of petered out after not too long.
Conflict NZ
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Would you consider Cowboy Bebop a cartoon?
I'm not one of those "These aren't cartooooonnnns mannnnn, they're animeeeeee" loonies, so yes.
I know "cartoon" technically implies comedy, but people use it to refer to stuff like superhero shows and such, so I think it's perfectly valid as an explanation of what anime is.
Doctor Decimate
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do you count Adult Swim in that, though?
BinaryPork2737
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How about we broaden the target range from Cartoon Survivor to Animated Survivor for the next thread?
TheAbsolution
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Conflict NZ
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I'm not one of those "These aren't cartooooonnnns mannnnn, they're animeeeeee" loonies, so yes.
I'm not either but I don't really think of it as a cartoon as I would with shows like Kim Possible and Danny Phantom. The only Anime I remember being popular as a kid in the early 00s was DBZ, Pokemon, Beyblades and Yu Gi Oh. Not sure about Naruto because I stopped watching cartoons long before it aired here.
Oh shit how could I forget Digimon.
We should consider what other 90s anime we put on the 00s list if it comes to that. Neon Genesis and Berserk are two other shows I can think. Both had equally big cultural clout and following then Bebop. I'm not 100% when Ranma 1/2 & Inu Yasha were first aired in US but again, popular shows and genre grandaddies.
Doctor Decimate
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hm. so that leaves pretty much....
Naruto
Gundam Wing
Beyblade
Yu-Gi-Oh
Digimon
Pokemon
Dragon Ball Z
Zoids
unless you want to omit the shows that have appeared in the 90s list.
Found the adult swim survivor thread; I don't think there was any anime on that list. I think it was purely American comedies.
Did Berserk air on American TV? I can't imagine. I don't remember Ranma airing either (even though I love it now), but Inu Yasha for sure (my sister and her friends were big fans and none of them probably know what anime is).
ЯAW;97506581 said:
Did Berserk air on American TV? I can't imagine. I don't remember Ranma airing either (even though I love it now), but Inu Yasha for sure (my sister and her friends were big fans and none of them probably know what anime is).
i hate you
Because I've got all this precious youth left, or because I'm an old fuck at this point?
Doctor Decimate
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ЯAW;97506827 said:
he said we'd probably leave out Adult Swim, and "aired on American TV and was popular with kids" was another distinction.
Don't know if they aired on adult swim but most shows were popular with kids. Probably not death note or full metal alchemist but shounen most certainly was popular with kids.
That's why I would like to see seperate anime survivor thread.
Doctor Decimate
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alright then. so from Adult Swim i'd probably say Bebop and InuYasha and Fullmetal Alchemist for sure. the others i'm not so sure, it depends what the cutoff is for popularity. though it's kinda weird to have 00s and completely omit Adult Swim comedies but keep the anime.
TheAbsolution
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Conflict NZ
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I still think having any and all anime on the 00s cartoon survivor list would defeat the purpose of it, definitely worth a separate thread.
SpacePirate Ridley
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Wow, if ranma or sailor moon aired on american tv on 00's, some channel had to be running out of other cartoons to air because thos are from the begining of the 90's, same with kenshin. At least in european tv they were aired during that time so maybe they are even older.
Although now that I think, something similar happened in Spain with Crayon Shin Chan. It started airing in japan in 1987 and it didnt air here until 01. It became massively popular so its strange it didnt came before that.
Although now that I think, something similar happened in Spain with Crayon Shin Chan. It started airing in japan in 1987 and it didnt air here until 01. It became massively popular so its strange it didnt came before that.
TheAbsolution
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I also agree with this. The prevalence of the internet has lessened the need for a US premiere date as a rule. I think a sperate thread would be ideal.
Doctor Decimate
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yeah, but if we set the bar too low you pretty much have to include like 20 shows at least.
From adult swim list I think following shows should be on list if we start adding anime.
Neon Genesis Evangelion (90s)
Trigun(90s)
Bebop (90s)
Inu Yasha (90s)
Bleach
FLCL
Ghost in the Shell series
Code Geass
Death Note
paranoia Agent
Samurai Cahmploo
All shows were popular and had some kind of impact on the industry itself. Code Geass and Ghost in the Shell series probably didn't have much impact but both made so many best of lists that I included them.
I support seperate anime thread.
Neon Genesis Evangelion (90s)
Trigun(90s)
Bebop (90s)
Inu Yasha (90s)
Bleach
FLCL
Ghost in the Shell series
Code Geass
Death Note
paranoia Agent
Samurai Cahmploo
All shows were popular and had some kind of impact on the industry itself. Code Geass and Ghost in the Shell series probably didn't have much impact but both made so many best of lists that I included them.
I support seperate anime thread.
Doctor Decimate
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i disagree with leaving out Adult Swim comedies from the 2000s list; it's kind of incomplete without them. you just have to narrow it down a bit; for example, i think we can probably leave out Tom Goes to the Mayor or Assy McGee.
TheAbsolution
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God, you guys make coming up with the shows on a list so difficult.
That's what makes these threads so interesting.
I'll have a decision on the 00s thread at the end of the long weekend. I need some time to decide. You can still discuss of course.
That's what makes these threads so interesting.
I'll have a decision on the 00s thread at the end of the long weekend. I need some time to decide. You can still discuss of course.
A Human Becoming
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I'm somewhat against an aughts thread altogether. Shows people even younger than you liked wouldn't have a fair chance yet because the decade ended less than 5 years ago.
Conflict NZ
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So run it again in 5 years if you have a problem with it... Some of us were still kids till at least a few years into the 00s.
BinaryPork2737
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I have a list of some of the cartoons that aired in the 2000s that I put together for consideration. And by some, I really mean a lot. And by a lot, I really mean way too many.
TheAbsolution
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How many you got on your list?
This is why a nomination round would be a great idea.
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