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[Markster]

It's time once again for List Analysis!

I'm going to go back to another look at just when was that show on the air anyway? Which I did exactly half this thread ago.

This time, I'm sorting by the "average year", which is to say, the middle year of a show's run. Also, there's a bit of a graphical ASCII-art representation of the timeline, so you can compare what shows were contemporaries, and see just how long The Simpsons has been going.

(This probably looks terrible on mobile, so... tough)

Average 	Start -- End 		Name
1988    1987 --- 1990			DuckTales
        
1991       1990 -- 1992			Tiny Toons
        
1993        1991 ----- 1996		Doug (Nickelodeon Version)
1993        1991 ---- 1995		Darkwing Duck
1993         1992 --- 1995		Batman:The Animated Series
        
1994         1992 ----- 1997		X - Men: The Animated Series
1994          1993 --- 1996		Rocko's Modern Life
        
1995          1993 ----- 1998		Animaniacs
1995           1994 -- 1996		Gargoyles
1995           1994 --- 1997		The Tick
        
1997        1991 ------------ 2004	Rugrats
1997           1994 ------- 2001	Reboot
        
1998             1996 ---- 2000		Superman The Animated Series
        
1999             1996 ------- 2003	Dexter's Laboratory
1999             1996 ------- 2003	DragonBall Z
        
2000                1999 -- 2001	Batman Beyond
2000                1999 --- 2002	Courage the Cowardly Dog
2000             1996 -------- 2004	Hey! Arnold
        
2001      1989 -------------------------The Simpsons
2001               1998 ------- 2005    The Powerpuff Girls
        
2005              1997 -----------------South Park
        
2006                1999 ---------------Spongebob Squarepants

My next project for List Analysis is going to require that I bone up on HTML processing...

 

[LordCanti]

Spongebob was a "90's show" for all of half a season.

 

[BlackNMild2k1]

Spongebob was a "90's show" for all of half a season.

apparently so was Ducktales.

Guess we have to vote them both off the Island....

 

[midramble]

haha I don't get the PMing. Why not just be open about your opinion and try to convince everyone?

apparently so was Ducktales.

Guess we have to vote them both off the Island....

hahaha but the other direction. We have the potential to do a 00's thread where Spongebob will definitely be among the top ten, while I highly doubt we will ever do an 80's thread.

 

[Markster]

apparently so was Ducktales.

Guess we have to vote them both off the Island....

I knew this would happen, back when we were voting off all the other Disney shows because they "weren't as good as DuckTales"!
Looks like Duck Batman will end up carrying the Disney torch the farthest.

 

[ЯAW]

haha I don't get the PMing. Why not just be open about your opinion and try to convince everyone?



hahaha but the other direction. We have the potential to do a 00's thread where Spongebob will definitely be among the top ten, while I highly doubt we will ever do an 80's thread.

80s thread would be fine too. I actually think more Gaffers would know more 80s stuff then they do know 00s shows. Many 80s cartoons were repeated during the 90s. We had shows from Care Bears to Transformers.

00s if full of good cartoons but most Gaffers probably only know the young adult cartoons from the era.

 

[Jado]

Kill: X-Men
Kill: X-Men
Save: Reboot

X-Men is really awfully animated which is a big deal to me. I hated the watered-down TV violence and it just seemed like a cash-grab attempt aimed at kids.

Reboot and Doug are just solid shows. Reboot looked fine at the time and has a great story. Doug was sort of like a silly Wonder Years for kids.

I knew this would happen, back when we were voting off all the other Disney shows because they "weren't as good as DuckTales"!
Looks like Duck Batman will end up carrying the Disney torch the farthest.

Superior duck show is superior.

Time and Punishment clip (Darkwarrior Duck)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLQv14DQJ_I

http://darkwingduck.wikia.com/wiki/Darkwarrior_Duck

Darkwarrior Duck was a violent, extremist, alternate future version of Darkwing Duck encountered after Gosalyn was accidentally pulled fifteen years into the future, and thus removed from normal history, by the Time Top as it was being used by Megavolt and Quackerjack. Intensely focused, vicious, highly intelligent, and all but completely ruthless, Darkwarrior Duck ultimately proved so powerful that his 'defeat' came only through the three time travelers finally escaping back into the present, to ensure that such a future would never occur.
...
Darkwarrior was able to take control over the city, something even the fearsome five failed to do.

Amazing.

 

[KalBalboa]

I haven't been part of a PM chain for almost a week, so I hope there's a good alliance going on and not just one encouraging people to change votes 5 minutes before midnight or something lame like that.

 

[evil solrac v3.0]

KILL: •Rugrats
KILL: •Rugrats
SAVE: •Courage the Cowardly Dog

just found the show bland and not as good as say Muppet babies.

 

[LordCanti]

apparently so was Ducktales.

Guess we have to vote them both off the Island....

I'm okay with this. Ducktales was cool and it made for great games but is it top 10? Eh.

haha I don't get the PMing. Why not just be open about your opinion and try to convince everyone?

That's what I do.

 

[ЯAW]

KILL: •Rugrats
KILL: •Rugrats
SAVE: •Courage the Cowardly Dog

just found the show bland and not as good as say Muppet babies.

Never liked the babie spin-off shows. Flintstone kids still haunts my dreams.

 

[Gintoki313]

Except for Hunter X Hunter :b It's pretty much only shounen anime I have actually liked. There were some sport animes like Hajime no Ippo and Slam Dunk that were great, but beyond them the genre is boring as hell.

Hunter X Hunter did the whole training to fight the big boss thing right. On the Greed Island Arc,

Spoiler

Gon and Killua trained for months just to fight the Bomber. The show went in-depth with every bit of training they had to go through until Gon was ready. While Killua's battle wasn't really great, Gon's really showed his training in action. He didn't power up, or tap into his inner strength to defeat the Bomber.

He just trapped him using a trap, and pulled out his special move on him (which the usual shounen anime would just use the new move and defeat the enemy quickly).

HxH is my second favorite shounen right next to One Piece.

 

[SpacePirate Ridley]

kill: Xmen
kill: Xmen

save: Doug

Mmm, Doug seems in more needs to save than Courage. I loved that show when I was a kid.

 

[ЯAW]

Hunter X Hunter did the whole training to fight the big boss thing right. On the Greed Island Arc,

Spoiler

Gon and Killua trained for months just to fight the Bomber. The show went in-depth with every bit of training they had to go through until Gon was ready. While Killua's battle wasn't really great, Gon's really showed his training in action. He didn't power up, or tap into his inner strength to defeat the Bomber.

He just trapped him using a trap, and pulled out his special move on him (which the usual shounen anime would just use the new move and defeat the enemy quickly).

HxH is my second favorite shounen right next to One Piece.

That's why I like Hunter X Hunter. They don't power up and beat their opponents, they use their wits to beat them. I don't mind the training arcs at all, they usually contain some less serious stuff and comedical relief. its just that too many shounen shows follow the power up formula. Power up and learn new special move, then fail to perform new move at first hand but after good struggle pull it off. DBZ does this over and over. I get it was new kind of show when it first started but I never saw it in 90s. Only main stream animes we had here were Galaxy Express 999, Kimagure Orange Road and ginga nagareboshi gin.

 

[LordCanti]

DBZ isn't really that formulaic either. Radditz (the very first villain) is taken down by suicide attack because he was too powerful for them. Vegeta was beaten by a group effort and included the weakest dude in the entire show chopping his tail off in a sneak attack. Frieza was defeated by a combination of him destroying the planet and a luckily timed use of the Dragon Balls, etc.

 

[TheSadRanger]

I think a 00's survivor would be really fun actually. I would actually probably be more into it just because I absolutely loved Samurai Jack so much, and that's watching it as an adult.

 

[789shadow]

We could also do a Survivor with just shows that aired on Toonami.

 

[Conflict NZ]

Kill: The Tick
Kill: The Tick

I didn't really watch this much as a kid, but unfortunately it's gotten to the point where I have to vote for shows I didn't see to save the ones I did.

Save: Rugrats

This show deserves top 15.

 

[Jado]

DBZ isn't really that formulaic either. Radditz (the very first villain) is taken down by suicide attack because he was too powerful for them. Vegeta was beaten by a group effort and included the weakest dude in the entire show chopping his tail off in a sneak attack. Frieza was defeated by a combination of him destroying the planet and a luckily timed use of the Dragon Balls, etc.

I think few would argue that the fights against Radditz, Nappa and Vegeta were a problem. Past the Saiyan sage, the show becomes very formulaic, e.g. this isn't even my final form!, endless charging and huge beams, cheap "they're fighting so fast we can't see any animation!," hero shows up and overpowers villain > villain powers up above hero > repeat, and so on.

I got viewer fatigue from the Frieza saga. Android/Cell was a total slog. Same with everything Buu.

 

[ЯAW]

I think a 00's survivor would be really fun actually. I would actually probably be more into it just because I absolutely loved Samurai Jack so much, and that's watching it as an adult.

00s is full of good shows but the list would be mostly dominated by shows for young adults. We need seperate thread for young Gaffers and Parent GAF :b I know stuff like Kim Possible, Ben 10 and Danny Phantom wouldn't stand a chance against even the less popular 00s shows for young adults. Nonetheless I'm up for 00s thread. My guess is that Archer, Futurama or Samurai Jack would take the first place. Archer is still running and has good following in GAF but I feel like Futurama has flavor of nostalgia already so it would take the cake.

 

[Doctor Decimate]

00s is full of good shows but the list would be mostly dominated by shows for young adults. We need seperate thread for young Gaffers and Parent GAF :b I know stuff like Kim Possible, Ben 10 and Danny Phantom wouldn't stand a chance against even the less popular 00s shows. Nonetheless I'm up for 00s thread. My guess is that Archer, Futurama or Samurai Jack would take the first place. Archer is still running and has good following in GAF but I feel like Futurama has flavor of nostalgia already so it would take the cake.

i think Kim Possible might survive. and Archer started in 2010 so i don't think it'd be included.

 

[Skid 4 Dead]

I think a 00's survivor would be really fun actually. I would actually probably be more into it just because I absolutely loved Samurai Jack so much, and that's watching it as an adult.

Samurai Jack and Teen Titans would have my full support.

 

[LordCanti]

I think few would argue that the fights against Radditz, Nappa and Vegeta were a problem. Past the Saiyan sage, the show becomes very formulaic, e.g. this isn't even my final form!, endless charging and huge beams, cheap "they're fighting so fast we can't see any animation!," hero shows up and overpowers villain > villain powers up above hero > repeat, and so on.

I got viewer fatigue from the Frieza saga. Android/Cell was a total slog. Same with everything Buu.

Everything after the Frieza saga is 00's in the US.

Everything leading up to Namek (the Saiyan arc I guess) was fantastic and really felt like an excellent continuation of Dragon Ball. I did like the Frieza saga as well though. The anticipation of Goku trying to get to Namek and watching Gohan, Krillin, Bulma (and eventually Vegeta) try to make it without him was riveting when the "season" breaks were an enormous amount of time (for a kid anyway). It may not be as enjoyable to watch it as an adult, but DBZ was the nineties for my friends and I.

 

[Skid 4 Dead]

I also hope Flapjack could make the list. That show was probably the last cartoon show I enjoyed thoroughly.

 

[SmithnCo]

I think Avatar would rank highly in 00s too.

 

[LordCanti]

Avatar or Cowboy Bebop would probably take it. I've never seen Avatar, but I hear great things about it all the time.

Spoiler

Samurai Jack would be my dark horse pick. I loved it, but I have no idea how many people saw it.

 

[ЯAW]

i think Kim Possible might survive. and Archer started in 2010 so i don't think it'd be included.

Didn't realise Archer started so late. Well, then it would be fight between Futurama and Samurai Jack. Would we have some sort of limit for anime shows? There were so many of them airing in 00s and if we get visit from anime GAF then the American/European cartoons won't have a fair chance.

Avatar or Cowboy Bebop would probably take it. I've never seen Avatar, but I hear great things about it all the time.

Spoiler

Samurai Jack would be my dark horse pick. I loved it, but I have no idea how many people saw it.

Bebop was 90s show. Even if it aired officially in US later, it's still 90s show.

 

[Jado]

Everything after the Frieza saga is 00's in the US.

Everything leading up to Namek (the Saiyan arc I guess) was fantastic and really felt like an excellent continuation of Dragon Ball. I did like the Frieza saga as well though. The anticipation of Goku trying to get to Namek and watching Gohan, Krillin, Bulma (and eventually Vegeta) try to make it without him was riveting when the "season" breaks were an enormous amount of time (for a kid anyway). It may not be as enjoyable to watch it as an adult, but DBZ was the nineties for my friends and I.

You're right. Didn't realize we were discussing the cutoff point. It was a really long break between the Ocean Dub in the 90s and the first atrocious 2000s Funi dub.

 

[Skid 4 Dead]

Avatar or Cowboy Bebop would probably take it. I've never seen Avatar, but I hear great things about it all the time.

Spoiler

Samurai Jack would be my dark horse pick. I loved it, but I have no idea how many people saw it.

Definitely has my vote for best intro song!

 

[midramble]

Avatar or Cowboy Bebop would probably take it. I've never seen Avatar, but I hear great things about it all the time.

Spoiler

Samurai Jack would be my dark horse pick. I loved it, but I have no idea how many people saw it.

Samurai Jack would be my #1. Genndy Tartakovsky is a genius.

Edit: There is also a lot more anime love in this thread than I would have expected

 

[Doctor Decimate]

Didn't realise Archer started so late. Well, then it would be fight between Futurama and Samurai Jack. Would we have some sort of limit for anime shows? There were so many of them airing in 00s and if we get visit from anime GAF then the American/European cartoons won't have a fair chance.


Bebop was 90s show. Samurai Camploo was 00s show.

Bebop didn't premiere in the US until the 00s. honestly i didn't particularly agree with Japanese cartoons being on this 90s list to begin with, and when you get to the 00s it just kinda becomes unwieldy.

 

[LordCanti]

Bebop was 90s show. Samurai Camploo was 00s show.

Bebop wasn't shown in the US until 01.

 

[ЯAW]

Bebop didn't premiere in the US until the 00s. honestly i didn't particularly agree with Japanese cartoons being on this particular list to begin with, and when you get to the 00s it just kinda becomes unwieldy.

But other parts of the world might have gotten the show before 00s. GAF is international forum so no bity rankings!

 

[TheAbsolution]

i think Kim Possible might survive. and Archer started in 2010 so i don't think it'd be included.

It would be since it would be a post 00s shows thread that I would create.
Also it woulld likely be American shows only with only the most popular dubbed anime included.

 

[LordCanti]

But other parts of the world might have gotten the show before 00s. GAF is international forum so no bity rankings!

This competition had anime made in the 80's and aired in the US in the 90's. It's pretty clear that "When did it come out in the US?" is the standard for what a show counts as.

Samurai Jack would be my #1. Genndy Tartakovsky is a genius.

Edit: There is also a lot more anime love in this thread than I would have expected

This is GAF.

 

[ЯAW]

This competition had anime made in the 80's and aired in the US in the 90's. It's pretty clear that "When did it come out in the US?" is the standard for what a show counts as.

DBZ started from the 80s and was still running in the 90s so it does count.
Edit. Most of DBZ ran in the 90s even in Japan so it most definitely counts.
No bity rankings! Bebop had it chance in 90s thread and wasn't included. Tuff nuts. It has no place in 00s thread.

 

[RepairmanJack]

This round may end up being the closest round yet, at least for the ones I've been paying attention to.

 

[Doctor Decimate]

But other parts of the world might have gotten the show before 00s. GAF is international forum so no bity rankings!

the majority of the people who post here would've seen it in the 00s. it's only a 90s show in Japan.

 

[LordCanti]

DBZ started from the 80s and was still running in the 90s so it does count.

If that's what we're going with, Cowboy Bebop should have been a part of this competition. I don't think it exists in most peoples minds as a 90's show though, so it would have been kind of a waste.

As far as anime in the 00's thread goes, I think that if it was really popular in the west in the 00's, it should be on the list. The shortlist for that is probably

Yu-Gi-Oh
Full Metal Alchemist
Cowboy Bebop
Yu Yu Haksuho

With Gundam Wing...maybe? It certainly sold a lot of action figures.

 

[ЯAW]

the majority of the people who post here would've seen it in the 00s.

So? It was made in 90s so it's clearly 90s show. Will we include 80s anime as well if it first aired in US during the big 00s anime boom?

 

[AniHawk]

It would be since it would be a post 00s shows thread that I would create.
Also it woulld likely be American shows only with only the most popular dubbed anime included.

fullmetal alchemist, paranoia agent, hellsing, bebop, champloo, eureka seven, flcl, tenchi muyo, naruto, one piece, trigun, yu-gi-oh

not sure what else would fit.

 

[LordCanti]

So? It was made in 90s so it's clearly 90s show. Will we include 80s anime as well if it first aired in US during the big 00s anime boom?

I'd think so, yeah. If most of the people in the thread have memories of the show as an 00's show, it's an 00's show.

 

[ЯAW]

I'd think so, yeah. If most of the people in the thread have memories of the show as an 00's show, it's an 00's show.

That's some real bull. We had many anime shows that didn't air in US until Naruto became huge hit and anime was everywhere. I think production year is better cut off point then airing year, especially since GAF is international board and we have many different air dates.

 

[Doctor Decimate]

So? It was made in 90s so it's clearly 90s show. Will we include 80s anime as well if it first aired in US during the big 00s anime boom?

there was no way for 99.9% of the people who would vote on it to actually have seen it outside of the 00s, so i don't see how a show nobody actually saw in the 90s is a 90s show.

 

[TheAbsolution]

That's some real bull. We had many anime shows that didn't air in US until Naruto became huge hit and anime was everywhere. I think production year is better cut off point then airing year, especially since GAF is international board and we have many different air dates.

I disagree.
If I included production year, there's be way more shows on the 00s list than I think we could handle. My rule is that it had to be mildy popular, and that it had to have aired in the US during that era.

 

[ЯAW]

there was no way for 99.9% of the people who would vote on it to actually have seen it outside of the 00s, so i don't see how a show nobody actually saw in the 90s is a 90s show.

Then why not add Transformers and Thunder cats to this thread since most people saw them in 90s?

 

[LordCanti]

Then why not add Transformers and Thunder cats to this thread since most people saw them in 90s?

Because people also saw them in the 80's and they were entirely made in the 80's? I saw Looney Tunes and all the old classics in the 90's but I'm not trying to have them added.

 

[ЯAW]

Because people also saw them in the 80's and they were entirely made in the 80's? I saw Looney Tunes and all the old classics in the 90's but I'm not trying to have them added.

People also saw bebop in the 90s and it was made entirely in the 90s. If Bebop makes the cut then shows like Archer needs to make cut as well.
Edit. Archers first episode was aired in 09 and first season 2010 so it would be shoe in.

 

[massoluk]

My 2 cents. Hold a free-for-all Prelim.
Let everyone just nominate whatever the hell they want for 00 and then hold the real votes on the few dozen most popular ones. I think the bad choice/outlier wouldn't survive the prelim anyway.

 

[Doctor Decimate]

People also saw bebop in the 90s and it was made entirely in the 90s. If Bebop makes the cut then shows like Archer needs to make cut as well.

how many people do you actually think saw Bebop in the 90s? that's limited to basically people in Japan. the show's popularity comes from the 00s.