1990's Cartoon Survivor (Do-Over)

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Kill : Beavis and Butthead

Kill : Beavis and Butthead

Save : Reboot

I was too young to appreciate anything Beavis and Butthead had to offer, if it even did. Reboot hasn't aged well, but I really like the premise of the show.
 
Kablam was cool when I was a kid. Action League Now in particular (Kablam was a collection of shorts) had me in stitches. It doesn't hold up.

It stars a buff, butt naked action figure and has stop motion animation.
 
LordCanti said:
Kablam was cool when I was a kid. Action League Now in particular (Kablam was a collection of shorts) had me in stitches. It doesn't hold up.

It stars a buff, butt naked action figure and has stop motion animation.
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I think action league now was the only reason anyone ever watched it.
 
i always liked prometheus and bob.

action league now was stupidly quotable.

'uh-oh. here's trouble.'

when i was a kid, i didn't understand the idea behind the mayor as the villain, because it was supposed to be a plot twist. it actually makes it funnier every time they yell out his name in surprise.
 
A Human Becoming said:
Bleh fine. I dislike Beavis enough to do it.

I'm really starting to dislike a handful of people leading what's killed every round.
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Dislike the people or the voting trend? The mechanic has made things weird as it only takes %34 of the voting population to kill any show. It's really a voting scheme that is ran more by hate. Hence why Ren and Stimpy died so undeservedly early. (noted I didn't like the show as I got tired of endless butt jokes). R&S is a "love it or hate it" show. Which is fundamentally doomed in this mechanic as a %50 save vote is destroyed by a %50 kill vote. Middle of the road shows will tend to loiter around longer than edgy shows, but in the end the nearly unanimously good shows will last till the end. The means to that end though will be littered with cartoon corpses hahaha
 
Kill: TMNT
Kill: TMNT
Save: Beavis and Butthead

Seems like Beavis and Butthead is under heavy fire this round. In the past it hasn't gotten many save votes either, seems like Judge won't make it.
 
LordCanti said:
Kablam was cool when I was a kid. Action League Now in particular (Kablam was a collection of shorts) had me in stitches. It doesn't hold up.

It stars a buff, butt naked action figure and has stop motion animation.
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Holy crap The Flesh hahahaha. Action League Now was the key to that show.
 
ЯAW;97292834 said:
Kill: TBA
Kill: TBA
Save: Beavis and Butthead

Seems like Beavis and Butthead is under heavy fire this round. In the past it hasn't gotten many save votes either, seems like Judge won't make it.
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I'm surprised it's suddenly a target after TMNT and Darkwing.

Again, it's just duck Batman.
 
i'm surprised bravo went before doug. i don't know anyone who honestly likes doug.

i mean, i like the show, but because it's accidentally funny. there's one episode where doug is jealous that his dog is spending all his time with a female dog and not him. so skeeter recommends that doug get a new pet. doug imagines that he has a pet lobster and throws a stick for it to fetch. the lobster snags doug's nose in its pinchers. and then skeeter says something to the effect of, 'all right all right, sorry i brought it up.'

so ignoring the fact that doug is jealous of his dog, he just explained to skeeter the reason he can't get a new pet is because he'd get a lobster and it would result in pain. because it's the only reason why skeeter would actually react in any way.

to me, that's funny. it's not funny in the way it was written, but because it makes doug look insane. if you view the show as doug being fucking crazy, it takes on a whole new light. without that... it's just kinda boring.

i'd take it over bravo though. you're supposed to laugh at bravo and even then it's not very funny. so there's not much room there.
 
I think people appreciate the earnest nature of Doug along with the cast and music. Some of the Beets songs made their way onto a few mix CDs of mine in college, heh.

Doug also doesn't feel like a boardroom executive show based on merchandise or toys like Street Sharks, Darkwing, Beast Wars, etc. Those shows can overcome their beginnings, but they come from an ugly place. Doug seemed simpler.
 
KalBalboa said:
How long did each one run, out of curiosity?
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Dolby Surround (Season 4-7)
Original run Nickelodeon series:
August 11, 1991 – January 2, 1994Disney series:
September 7, 1996 – June 26, 1999

Half of the show was on Disney without the star (Billy West, who played Doug).

Despite controversy from various fans of the Nickelodeon series, it proved to be a very popular show, spanning a number of different types of merchandise, and was for a time the most popular show on the block, with the title quickly taken by Recess.
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This makes me sad. I remember being kind of devastated when it switched over, but it seems like it enjoyed success after that.
 
KalBalboa said:
I think people appreciate the earnest nature of Doug along with the cast and music. Some of the Beets songs made their way onto a few mix CDs of mine in college, heh.

Doug also doesn't feel like a boardroom executive show based on merchandise or toys like Street Sharks, Darkwing, Beast Wars, etc. Those shows can overcome their beginnings, but they come from an ugly place. Doug seemed simpler.
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i can agree to that. actually, it picks up steadily over seasons 3 and 4. the writing improves (the one where his bike is stolen is pretty good), and there is some character development. the patti + doug stuff evolves slowly but naturally too. it's really frustrating but also understandable that doug doesn't understand patti is asking him out on a date in one show, or that he doesn't realize she likes him (the episode with the magic handcuffs where she attends a magic show with just her in the audience).

there's also an episode with a lucky hat, and it's probably the closest to what jim jenkins may have wanted. there's a good message there, it's well-acted, well-written, and has some good music.
 
LordCanti said:
Dolby Surround (Season 4-7)
Original run Nickelodeon series:
August 11, 1991 – January 2, 1994Disney series:
September 7, 1996 – June 26, 1999

Half of the show was on Disney without the star (Billy West, who played Doug).
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i didn't watch a lot of disney's doug, but they kinda lost the plot. i was interested in them making a clear cut from the nick stuff (with all the changes that happen to the characters in the intervening 'months'), but it was less about doug and more about the kids as a group. nickelodeon's doug would show what doug was thinking/imagining, but disney's doug started doing the same for the other characters. it sorta made doug's psychosis less special.
 
I loved the Lucky Hat episode. The fight one was good, too.

Now if Doug went all Batman in season three, he'd make top five next to Batman Beyond, Darkwing, Gargoyles, and Batman.

(Kidding)
 
AniHawk said:
i didn't watch a lot of disney's doug, but they kinda lost the plot. i was interested in them making a clear cut from the nick stuff (with all the changes that happen to the characters in the intervening 'months'), but it was less about doug and more about the kids as a group. nickelodeon's doug would show what doug was thinking/imagining, but disney's doug started doing the same for the other characters. it sorta made doug's psychosis less special.
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Doug's new voice was also wrong in a way that is hard to quantify.

The same thing happened with Dragon Ball Z I guess, but it was less personal to hear different voices coming out of those characters. When Doug opened his mouth and the wrong voice popped out, it was like a crazy friend had died.
 
TMNT was probably my favorite cartoon ever as kid; nothing else came even close. Then I grew up... and realized how lame it was. The original comics were pretty cool, though.

Kill: TMNT
Kill: TMNT

Save: Beavis and Butthead
 
LordCanti said:
Doug's new voice was also wrong in a way that is hard to quantify.

The same thing happened with Dragon Ball Z I guess, but it was less personal to hear different voices coming out of those characters. When Doug opened his mouth and the wrong voice popped out, it was like a crazy friend had died.
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i couldn't immediately tell that it wasn't billy west in disney's doug (i think i was ten at the time), but i raged hard at every voice change in dbz. i still prefer the ocean dub. vegeta sounds more sinister, goku doesn't sound like a moron, and krillin had a higher-pitched voice, but he sounded badass.

basically, they all sounded like people. the funi dub had them sounding like cartoon characters.

god i forgot they screwed up frieza too. everyone who was originally a bad guy suddenly had a really gruff voice.

...anyway i think i might have saved doug in my own head. i forgot about all the stuff i liked about it, intentional or not.
 
AniHawk said:
that's why you have to mount your own campaigns, like me and tmnt.
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I've tried without success! Not a leader, I guess.
midramble said:
Dislike the people or the voting trend? The mechanic has made things weird as it only takes %34 of the voting population to kill any show. It's really a voting scheme that is ran more by hate. Hence why Ren and Stimpy died so undeservedly early. (noted I didn't like the show as I got tired of endless butt jokes). R&S is a "love it or hate it" show. Which is fundamentally doomed in this mechanic as a %50 save vote is destroyed by a %50 kill vote. Middle of the road shows will tend to loiter around longer than edgy shows, but in the end the nearly unanimously good shows will last till the end. The means to that end though will be littered with cartoon corpses hahaha
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Trend. Feels like the highest killed show is decided early on while the second is determined between two shows.

Watching Gargoyles right now, boy did I miss out as a kid. Five episodes in it has decent action and an interesting plot.
 
AniHawk said:
i couldn't immediately tell that it wasn't billy west in disney's doug (i think i was ten at the time), but i raged hard at every voice change in dbz. i still prefer the ocean dub. vegeta sounds more sinister, goku doesn't sound like a moron, and krillin had a higher-pitched voice, but he sounded badass.

basically, they all sounded like people. the funi dub had them sounding like cartoon characters.

god i forgot they screwed up frieza too. everyone who was originally a bad guy suddenly had a really gruff voice.

...anyway i think i might have saved doug in my own head. i forgot about all the stuff i liked about it, intentional or not.
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The Ocean dub is the superior DBZ dub for sure. I was only pissed until I got used to the new voices though. Doug got a new voice and went completely to shit at the same time. It was a double whammy.

Edit: Thinking back on it, the change in voices for DBZ was after a long break. I was so young that, and I haven't remembered this in many years, Krillin was the only voice I realized had changed. I remember going to school that next day and being like "WHAT THE SHIT HAPPENED TO KRILLIN?!"

Had I been a little older I'm sure I'd have realized that everyone's voices had been changed. I didn't though.

A Human Becoming said:
I've tried without success! Not a leader, I guess.

Trend. Feels like the highest killed show is decided early on while the second is determined between two shows.

Watching Gargoyles right now, boy did I miss out as a kid. Five episodes in it has decent action and an interesting plot.
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Maybe it got bad in the last season like someone else said, but those first couple seasons of Gargoyles are better than they had any right to be. The couple of episodes I've seen in the past few hours were excellent.

As for mounting a campaign:

Look at the list, figure out what is least likely to have a defense force, then throw a knife at it. That's all anyone else is doing.
 
Speaking of Batman-esque shows:

The Big O premiered October 99. This competition is now invalid.

No one saw it in the grand scheme of things, but man, what a great show :P

Edit: It premiered in Japan in 99 apparently, in case anyone sees this post later and doesn't read the one directly beneath it.
 
LordCanti said:
Speaking of Batman-esque shows:

The Big O premiered October 99. This competition is now invalid.

No one saw it in the grand scheme of things, but man, what a great show :P
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Ahem!
The English-language version premiered on Cartoon Network on April 2, 2001 and ended on April 18 2001.
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April 2, 2001 ended on April 18 2001
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2001
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Sorry. Maybe the 00's thread will do it some justice.
I only included North American debuts in this contest.
 
D'oh!

Wikipedia fucked me with their ambiguous sidebar thingy. I always thought that the show had American financing/co-production from the start, but I guess that only came after they had aired season 1 and found a viewership for it (years after it had ended in Japan). It's weird that they were able to pick up where they left off thanks to American money. There can't be too many examples of that.


English network
CA
G4techTV Canada
UK
Toonami
US
Cartoon Network (Toonami and Adult Swim)
Original run 13 October 1999 &#8211; 19 January 2000 <---------- Could put "In Japan" next to this, Wikipedia.
 
LordCanti said:
Speaking of Batman-esque shows:

The Big O premiered October 99. This competition is now invalid.

No one saw it in the grand scheme of things, but man, what a great show :P
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God bless you. Loved that show. It just got crazier and crazier. Giant flaming piston punches. The super crazy mega lazer transformations near the end. And that car.... wow. Plus the Flash Gordon theme track was pretty awesome too haha.
 
Edit: Nooo this thread is a time vampire. If I fall asleep right now I'll get five hours ><

Better than nothing.

midramble said:
God bless you. Loved that show. It just got crazier and crazier. Giant flaming piston punches. The super crazy mega lazer transformations near the end. And that car.... wow. Plus the Flash Gordon theme track was pretty awesome too haha.
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I'm kinda shocked that it wasn't made for an American audience. I can completely understand why it found an audience here that didn't really exist for it in Japan.

It would have gotten crushed in this competition I think (if it qualified, which it doesn't; Premiered in the US too late) but it was really fantastic.
 
Kill: Beavis and Butthead
Kill: Beavis and Butthead
Save: ReBoot

B&B was always stupid. Even as a kid I hated it. Cornholio, whatever the fuck that is, also annoys me.
 
Kill: Courage
Kill: Spongebob Squarepants
Save: Reboot

Basically, I don't have anything this round, just throwing wrenches in, agenda only being to save Reboot. TNMT is clearly destined for turtle soup.
 
Soka said:
Kill: The Tick
Kill: The Tick
Save: ReBoot

Come on guys, let's kill some of these super hero shows. There are a ton left and most of them aren't that good.
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i'd like to get rid of x-men and batman beyond first.

oh and search 'da dwee da da da dwee dow' in youtube. i think you'll be pleasantly surprised.
 
Kill: Animaniacs
Kill: Animaniacs
Save: Beavis and Butthead

Animaniacs has always annoyed me, and Beavis and Butthead was amazing. It's unfair to judge that show by its first short Frog Baseball, as the show got far better as it went along. The movie's awesome, too, including a great soundtrack.
 
Sad to see Beast Wars go, you guys suck.

Kill: Beavis and Butthead
Kill: Beavis and Butthead - I would probably like this now, but at the time I mostly found it annoying. Not real sure why but I remember liking the movie but hating the show.

Save:Darkwing Duck

&#1071;AW;97307543 said:
Tiny Toons should go soon after.
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You're insane! Probably had the best group of voice actors of any show outside of Anamaniacs and Simpsons and it had some of the best meta humor of any cartoon. Hell the first episode alone is nothing but meta humor and all about how they're trying to make the show.
 
RepairmanJack said:
Sad to see Beast Wars go, you guys suck.

Kill: TMNT
Kill: Beavis and Butthead - I would probably like this now, but at the time I mostly found it annoying. Not real sure why but I remember liking the movie but hating the show.

Save:(It will be between Darkwing Duck and Reboot, which ever one needs it later on)



You're insane! Probably had the best group of voice actors of any show outside of Anamaniacs and Simpsons and it had some of the best meta humor of any cartoon. Hell the first episode alone is nothing but meta humor and all about how they're trying to make the show.
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Tiny Toon just wasn't for me. I did like the movie back in the day and most part of the first season was really good. Show just lost me at some point and when I tried to get back into it, I jus didn't find it interesting. I even bought the first vol. on DVD and tried again but didn't work out.
 
&#1071;AW;97308314 said:
Tiny Toon just wasn't for me. I did like the movie back in the day and most part of the first season was really good. Show just lost me at some point and when I tried to get back into it, I jus didn't find it interesting. I even bought the first vol. on DVD and tried again but didn't work out.
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That's cool, I can understand it just not being for someone. I don't think I even remember a movie.
 
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